Speculation: Trade Rumors/Speculation Part X: Sather Falls Asleep on the Phone
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I'm under no illusions about retirement contracts for either Danny or Ryan. However, I would like to see Girardi stay. RHD is a weakness and he IMO is better than he is getting credit for. I would not pay him $6M per however. If he can get that, then we need to go in a different direction.
I think Moore fits the same role more effectively. Although I wouldn't mind having the depth temporarily.
I do believe we have a slew of young players nearly ready to get fair shakes at some point in the next 2 seasons.
2nd/3rd line - Miller, Kristo, Fast, Lindberg
4th line - Kantor
NYR Viper
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Konopka is BAD. Huge pass on him. He is not better than Boyle or Moore at center and has stone hands.
NYR Viper
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He will easily get that. Best d-man on the market. 30 years old. Lots of playoff experience. Leader. Minute Eater. 30 points.
Even with his widely publicized recent struggles? Many Ranger fans believe his success was a function of Torts' and Renney's systems and now that he has to skate and play man to man he is failing. I am not one of those people but you still think he is going to get that kind of contract?
Fitzy
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He is essentially the same player as Kris Newbury, who I liked, but is hardly a game changer.
he at least wins faceoffs and has a chance of winning a fight.. Rangers should claim Konopka and trade Boyle and the rest of the UFA that are not in the Rangers future at this time to the highest bidder
NYR Viper
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Change is good.
I'm perfectly fine holding on to DZ until the trade deadline. SOMEone will pay up then. They always do.
As RB, BRB and others have mentioned, we should also be looking to unload Girardi and Callahan at the deadline. They should both fetch massive returns then given the types of players they are, UFA or no. And honestly I don't think it would hurt the team that much given the direction they're pursuing. Neither one of those players is going to push the squad over the top, we don't want to give them those retirement contracts, and I don't think either of them has been key to this team's success one way or the other. Seriously - does anyone think this team played any better with Cally on it this year? Has Girardi been a major (positive) difference maker? You could move both, get very valuable hauls, and the team wouldn't look that much different than it does today.
Likewise, we should be looking to trade one or both of Moore and Boyle, and I'd listen to offers for Staal. (I'd also listen for offers for Nash, but I don't see it happening.) That leaves you with:
Kreider-Stepan-Nash
Richards-Brassard-Zuccarello
Hagelin-Miller-Pouliot
Dorsett-Lindberg-Fast/Kantor/Kristo
McDonagh-Stralman
Moore-Allen
Falk-McIlrath (if healthy)
Lundqvist
Talbot
Plus about 10-15 high quality assets (top notch prospects, 1sts and 2nds)
Think about it - is that squad above REALLY that different from the squad that's been hovering at .500? And have I subtracted any parts that have been prime difference makers in achieving the wins they have obtained? (Also note: that's without factoring in contributions from young guys who might be coming the other way. If 1-3 of those assets are players playing in the league right now, you can push a Lindberg, Fast/Kantor/Kristo or a McIlrath back down to HFD.)
If Slats, Gorton et. al. are smart, you can achieve a 1-year turnaround a la Philadelphia a couple of years back - and, hell, you might not even miss the playoffs! (For those who think it's vital that this team get in every year no matter what.)
As RB, BRB and others have mentioned, we should also be looking to unload Girardi and Callahan at the deadline. They should both fetch massive returns then given the types of players they are, UFA or no. And honestly I don't think it would hurt the team that much given the direction they're pursuing. Neither one of those players is going to push the squad over the top, we don't want to give them those retirement contracts, and I don't think either of them has been key to this team's success one way or the other. Seriously - does anyone think this team played any better with Cally on it this year? Has Girardi been a major (positive) difference maker? You could move both, get very valuable hauls, and the team wouldn't look that much different than it does today.
Likewise, we should be looking to trade one or both of Moore and Boyle, and I'd listen to offers for Staal. (I'd also listen for offers for Nash, but I don't see it happening.) That leaves you with:
Kreider-Stepan-Nash
Richards-Brassard-Zuccarello
Hagelin-Miller-Pouliot
Dorsett-Lindberg-Fast/Kantor/Kristo
McDonagh-Stralman
Moore-Allen
Falk-McIlrath (if healthy)
Lundqvist
Talbot
Plus about 10-15 high quality assets (top notch prospects, 1sts and 2nds)
Think about it - is that squad above REALLY that different from the squad that's been hovering at .500? And have I subtracted any parts that have been prime difference makers in achieving the wins they have obtained? (Also note: that's without factoring in contributions from young guys who might be coming the other way. If 1-3 of those assets are players playing in the league right now, you can push a Lindberg, Fast/Kantor/Kristo or a McIlrath back down to HFD.)
If Slats, Gorton et. al. are smart, you can achieve a 1-year turnaround a la Philadelphia a couple of years back - and, hell, you might not even miss the playoffs! (For those who think it's vital that this team get in every year no matter what.)
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More or less the same way I feel, it's cheap depth that expires after this season.
If Danny G will get $6MM we need to deal him cause a player staring at that kind of contract must have really good value on the market. Trading your captain is a little tougher to do.
I like Boyle.
He's great on the 4th line. He's the toughest guy on the team. The only reason he looks like a jamoke fighting is because we don't actually have anyone else to do it and he ends up getting out matched. His role isn't as a fighter. People want him to be that. Unfair expectations.
Same when everyone got on him for not playing well on the 2nd or 3rd line. He's not a top 9 forward either. Very effective on the 4th line and PK.
NYR Viper
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If the Rangers move either Girardi or Callahan, they BETTER move Moore and Boyle as well. Don't half-ass it.
NYR Viper
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Tawnos
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Boyle is a far better hockey player than Konopka. If those are our options, stick with Boyle.
In terms of who he is willing to fight/fights. Who else would fight Chara (on this team) with the knowledge that they're badly outmatched and outmuscled?
I haven't seen Konopka play since his Islander days when he was pretty effective IMO. He is tough, great in the room and is a stud in the dot. Sounds like Boyle except better. However, if his actual play with the puck and away from it is that bad then forget it.
He's big, wins face offs, checks hard, sticks up for his team mates.
Don't just list negatives. His pros outweigh his cons. As our 4th line center he's above average. He's used to this locker room of guys. It's not either lose him as a UFA or trade him. You can extend him for a relatively affordable price too. He's not looking at much of a contract increase, if any.
SingnBluesOnBroadway
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ok, but those "fights" make us appear weak when he buckles into the fetal position. His toughness is in his willingness to block shots. Otherwise he isn't very tough at all. Zucc is much tougher for instance as is Cally.
Samuel Culper III
Mr. Woodhull...
Skip Konopka. He'd only be useful for d-zone face offs. Literally take the face off and skate to the bench. No interest.
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