Speculation: Roster Building thread - Part XVII - (TDL is March 7th)

[Fitzy]

Have to play Othmann with skill guys if you're gonna play him. If he's sitting next to Carrick and Kaliyev on the third line that's not gonna cut it.

 

[cwede]

won't be surprised if Drury claims Valimaki, what I (and maybe the league) saw last spring was how Fla built its winning depth w mid or late career Euro D (Forsling, OEL, Kulikov, Mikkola)

 

[Mike in Houston]

won't be surprised if Drury claims Valimaki, what I (and maybe the league) saw last spring was how Fla built its winning depth w mid or late career Euro D (Forsling, OEL, Kulikov, Mikkola)

Miiiiiiiiikola!

 

[NickyFotiu]

Have to play Othmann with skill guys if you're gonna play him. If he's sitting next to Carrick and Kaliyev on the third line that's not gonna cut it.

I'm still judging Kali. I think he has some flaws but also has some skills.

I'd like to see Oth get a fair shot.

If I was able to speak to Drury I would tell him to give Jones another chance in a more zone oriented system. Our chase the puck with slower guys doesn't work for the team. I still have a little hope for Jones.

 

[Bunch of Jurcos]

If you were the GM of the Rangers, what would you do at the deadline to give yourself the best chance at beating either Washington or Florida/Toronto in the first round?

 

[Mike in Houston]

If you were the GM of the Rangers, what would you do at the deadline to give yourself the best chance at beating either Washington or Florida/Toronto in the first round?

Trade everyone but Kreider. Oh and I guess keep Igor too.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

The AHL ain't the NHL. Othmann has been playing well lately. We'll see if it translates.

You can literally make that argument with every prospect ever.

 

[TGWL]

I'm still judging Kali. I think he has some flaws but also has some skills.

I'd like to see Oth get a fair shot.

If I was able to speak to Drury I would tell him to give Jones another chance in a more zone oriented system. Our chase the puck with slower guys doesn't work for the team. I still have a little hope for Jones.

He has skill, but he's slow. I know, I know, you can be a slow skater in the NHL. But when your team is slow and plays slow, having slow skaters isn't putting that player in a position to succeed. If the idea is Kaliyev to get on the forecheck first on his line then you already put him in a disadvantage. We don't have enough supporting skaters, or move the puck fast enough to make up for these slower skaters.

What does he excel at? Well, it's shooting the puck, right? So it's hard to really judge him because he's not in a position where he can take more than 1-2 shots a game.

Othmann has been finding a little more production outside of the powerplay lately. That's good to see.

 

[NYR Viper]

You know what is kind of interesting to me is that I have seen people concerned with Othmann's upside but if we just compare Kreider to Othmann at the same age:

Kreider
D+1
NCAA - 23 points in 38 games

D+2
NCAA - 24 points in 32 games

D+3
NCAA - 45 points in 44 games
NHL Playoffs - 7 points in 18 games

D+4
AHL - 23 points in 48 games
NHL - 3 points in 23 games


Othmann
D+1
OHL - 97 points in 66 games + impressive 24 points in 19 games in the playoffs

D+2
OHL - 67 points in 56 games + 25 points in 23 games in the playoffs and Memorial Cup victory

D+3
NHL - 0 points in 3 games
AHL - 49 points in 67 games + 5 points in 10 playoff games

D+4
AHL - 20 points in 27 games


If anything, Othmann has proven he can score at a better rate than Kreider at the same age. The kid has a nose for the net and knows how to score goals. I think he's going to be a guy they need to let 'cook' for a couple of years but his tenacity and ability to score will lend him to being a really nice piece long term on this team.

 

[NickyFotiu]

He has skill, but he's slow. I know, I know, you can be a slow skater in the NHL. But when your team is slow and plays slow, having slow skaters isn't putting that player in a position to succeed. If the idea is Kaliyev to get on the forecheck first on his line then you already put him in a disadvantage. We don't have enough supporting skaters, or move the puck fast enough to make up for these slower skaters.

What does he excel at? Well, it's shooting the puck, right? So it's hard to really judge him because he's not in a position where he can take more than 1-2 shots a game.

I totally agree with you on this teams speed issue. Speed kills and we have almost none. That has to be one of our top priorities. Kali is not a player a slow team can afford BUT if the team is remade with a lot of speed maybe Kali can find a role? I can not say because I have not seen enough of him yet.

 

[TGWL]

If you were the GM of the Rangers, what would you do at the deadline to give yourself the best chance at beating either Washington or Florida/Toronto in the first round?

This deadline isn't for getting the best chance to beat them in the first round. This deadline will be the best chance to get assets back, or put themselves in a better position for the wild card race, should they not lose a couple more games here.

 

[NickyFotiu]

You know what is kind of interesting to me is that I have seen people concerned with Othmann's upside but if we just compare Kreider to Othmann at the same age:

Kreider
D+1
NCAA - 23 points in 38 games

D+2
NCAA - 24 points in 32 games

D+3
NCAA - 45 points in 44 games
NHL Playoffs - 7 points in 18 games

D+4
AHL - 23 points in 48 games
NHL - 3 points in 23 games


Othmann
D+1
OHL - 97 points in 66 games + impressive 24 points in 19 games in the playoffs

D+2
OHL - 67 points in 56 games + 25 points in 23 games in the playoffs and Memorial Cup victory

D+3
NHL - 0 points in 3 games
AHL - 49 points in 67 games + 5 points in 10 playoff games

D+4
AHL - 20 points in 27 games


If anything, Othmann has proven he can score at a better rate than Kreider at the same age. The kid has a nose for the net and knows how to score goals. I think he's going to be a guy they need to let 'cook' for a couple of years but his tenacity and ability to score will lend him to being a really nice piece long term on this team.

I do not put much weight in those stat comparisons because they are in different leagues/levels at different times BUT Oth is 22. Its time to see what we have or do not have.

 

[Machinehead]

If you were the GM of the Rangers, what would you do at the deadline to give yourself the best chance at beating either Washington or Florida/Toronto in the first round?

I'd trade Lindgren to Washington and hope they play him.

 

[17futurecap]

I'd trade Lindgren to Washington and hope they play him.

And have Charlie in goal when they played the Rangers for Sam.

 

[cwede]

won't be surprised if Drury claims Valimaki, what I (and maybe the league) saw last spring was how Fla built its winning depth w mid or late career Euro D (Forsling, OEL, Kulikov, Mikkola)

Valimaki cleared

 

[Savant]

If you were the GM of the Rangers, what would you do at the deadline to give yourself the best chance at beating either Washington or Florida/Toronto in the first round?

If I had one move, (which is how I am interpreting this) it would be a Legit LHD partner for Adam Fox.

I'd trade Lindgren to Washington and hope they play him.

Or this.

But I also would not be a buyer

 

[Machinehead]

If I had one move, (which is how I am interpreting this) it would be a Legit LHD partner for Adam Fox.

But I also would not be a buyer

We could send Lindgren to Washington in a three-team deal here. Two birds with one stone.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

We’re approaching shit or get off the pot time with Othmann so let’s see what he got

I’d hate to add him to the list of Ranger prospects who they waited forever to give a shot or trade and cratered their value

 

[eco's bones]

You know what is kind of interesting to me is that I have seen people concerned with Othmann's upside but if we just compare Kreider to Othmann at the same age:

Kreider
D+1
NCAA - 23 points in 38 games

D+2
NCAA - 24 points in 32 games

D+3
NCAA - 45 points in 44 games
NHL Playoffs - 7 points in 18 games

D+4
AHL - 23 points in 48 games
NHL - 3 points in 23 games


Othmann
D+1
OHL - 97 points in 66 games + impressive 24 points in 19 games in the playoffs

D+2
OHL - 67 points in 56 games + 25 points in 23 games in the playoffs and Memorial Cup victory

D+3
NHL - 0 points in 3 games
AHL - 49 points in 67 games + 5 points in 10 playoff games

D+4
AHL - 20 points in 27 games


If anything, Othmann has proven he can score at a better rate than Kreider at the same age. The kid has a nose for the net and knows how to score goals. I think he's going to be a guy they need to let 'cook' for a couple of years but his tenacity and ability to score will lend him to being a really nice piece long term on this team.

There's a difference between going into college at 18 and playing against lots of 20 to 25 year olds and playing in the CHL against 16 to 20 year olds. Keeping in mind that Chris came out of a prep league that wasn't all that competitive though he had one other teammate at Phillips Andover Garnet Hathway who became an NHL player.

He had to catch up really fast as far as level of competition.

There are also differences between 15 years ago and now.

But could Othmann be Kreider's replacement very soon? Quite possibly. It doesn't mean he won't have some struggles though. I don't see him becoming a top line winger. I see Brennan more as a middle 6 winger who might settle in a few years as a good 2nd line NHL player.

 

[bernmeister]

Gotta force an injured and ineffective Kreider into the lineup over a first rounder who has performed well in the AHL.

wrong ....

I’m ok with that, got to make sure teams think Kreider is 100% so they trade for him. Nobody wants an injured player.

...x2

You know what is kind of interesting to me is that I have seen people concerned with Othmann's upside but if we just compare Kreider to Othmann at the same age:

Kreider
D+1
NCAA - 23 points in 38 games

D+2
NCAA - 24 points in 32 games

D+3
NCAA - 45 points in 44 games
NHL Playoffs - 7 points in 18 games

D+4
AHL - 23 points in 48 games
NHL - 3 points in 23 games


Othmann
D+1
OHL - 97 points in 66 games + impressive 24 points in 19 games in the playoffs

D+2
OHL - 67 points in 56 games + 25 points in 23 games in the playoffs and Memorial Cup victory

D+3
NHL - 0 points in 3 games
AHL - 49 points in 67 games + 5 points in 10 playoff games

D+4
AHL - 20 points in 27 games

If anything, Othmann has proven he can score at a better rate than Kreider at the same age. The kid has a nose for the net and knows how to score goals. I think he's going to be a guy they need to let 'cook' for a couple of years but his tenacity and ability to score will lend him to being a really nice piece long term on this team.

no prob w/Oth on the roster, but let's be clear, it is not CK that's blocking him

that honor goes to Jimmy Vesey

 

[Savant]

no prob w/Oth on the roster, but let's be clear, it is not CK that's blocking him

that honor goes to Jimmy Vesey

I actually respectfully disagree here. I think we are doing the “we don’t want to promote him if he’s going to be line 4 thing” So yeah I think guys like Kreider/Smith are the ones blocking Othmann

 

[Clark Kellogg]

Day 11 Countdown Eastern Conference Start at 10 minute mark. Rangers start at 56:00 mark:

 

[Alluckks]

I'm ready for Othmann's 8 minutes a night followed by being sent back down

I'm pretty done with these lineup decisions

 

[Clark Kellogg]

If anyone is interested in bringing in talent at the TDL here’s some assets to help with your proposals:

Can Drury get us to zero picks for the next three years?
Stay tuned.

 

[bernmeister]

I actually respectfully disagree here. I think we are doing the “we don’t want to promote him if he’s going to be line 4 thing” So yeah I think guys like Kreider/Smith are the ones blocking Othmann

respect begets respect
but as to yr pt I think that's a technical nuance here as opposed to a real obstacle

guys who cut the mustard, get the time
of course add that guys are injured, need maintenance day, etc

once here, mins are influenced by attempts to build chemistry

But yeah, also Smith for a 2nd if/while that is a thing should have been done yesterday