Clearly Clowe was a big risk, but if he stays healthy he is a factor and certainly the type of player we could use.
I just don't think that it is a given that Lou screwed up.
Taking on players with concussion histories is just a bad idea. See Eric Lindros. Ever see Clowe fight? Fighting's been part of his stock and trade as a power forward. He likes to trade punches and overpower opponents. He trades with anybody good it's very likely he'll get concussed again.
Clowe was (operative word) a good player by the by but not half the player Lindros was.
Let's see--31 year old--never played for your team--slow as molasses skater--coming off a concussion plagued season--we'll give him 5 years at $4.8 mil per year + and we'll even throw in a NMC. And the results aren't mixed so far they suck. Plays 9 games--misses 32. 2 assists for the first $2.4 mil.
I'll give Lou that the Jagr signing was kind of shrewd on his part but the Clowe contract by far is the dumbest contract of last summer's free agent season. His team is on the hook for that contract whether Clowe finishes it or not. My gut tells me it won't even be close.
He's an injury waiting to happen.
Clowe's contract is real bad because of its length. If it was a 1 or 2 year deal to see if you can get something out of him, sure, but 5 years was dumb
I don't really disagree with what you are saying here, it's just that MY gut is telling me something else against this logic.
If Sather had signed Clowe for a similar contract I would have viewed that as very questionable indeed. If we could have gotten him cheap, I would have been all for it though.
I think Lindros was in MUCH worse shape than Clowe is now. I was surprised he even decided to come back to hockey, but at that time The Rangers had very few options anyway, and the cap situation was completely different (non existant?>)
Clowes injuries are nothing new. he had as many goals as concussions last year. thank god slats saw these issues.
I don't know.
Odds are that NJ will be crippled by the Clowe signing just to the extent Boston is crippled by the Savard signing. Savard is on Boston's books for three more years if not more. Don't hurt them one bit, never will hurt them.
The big loose for the Clowe signing is probably the insurance company. Second biggest looser the PA and the other teams for increased premiums.
One would've hoped that Sather saw that before he coughed up multiple assets for Clowe in yet another ill conceived attempt at a playoff run.
I don't know.
Odds are that NJ will be crippled by the Clowe signing just to the extent Boston is crippled by the Savard signing. Savard is on Boston's books for three more years if not more. Don't hurt them one bit, never will hurt them.
The big loose for the Clowe signing is probably the insurance company. Second biggest looser the PA and the other teams for increased premiums.
I don't know.
Odds are that NJ will be crippled by the Clowe signing just to the extent Boston is crippled by the Savard signing. Savard is on Boston's books for three more years if not more. Don't hurt them one bit, never will hurt them.
The big loose for the Clowe signing is probably the insurance company. Second biggest looser the PA and the other teams for increased premiums.
Well, just because the contract doesn't cripple them doesn't mean it wasn't a bad idea (and hey this could be applied to Lundqvist down the road but let's hope not)
Wasting $5 mill in cap space and real money per year for the next 5 years and passing that off as "well at least it doesn't totally screw us" is a pretty big handwave
Boston don't have Savard on their cap nor do they pay him (much at least (20%?).
My point is just this, you gotta quantify a risk. A risk is a risk but you gotta quantify it.
I think 95% at this place see the same future for Clowe. 1-2 more or less struggling years before he checks out like Savard.
Then 5% will come up with the scenario that Clowe will play 4 years while having nothing left and constantly being hurt. I don't think the odds for that is high.
So what is the risk with Clowe really? I wouldn't have signed him to that contract, but like I said, I doubt NJD will be crippled by it.
Seems like its a pretty big risk when "Well, we probably won't be absolutely crippled by it" is one of the positive points of the contract.
I can't believe how quiet the rumors have been over the past few days. Nothing out there right now.
Who's 1C? And please don't say Stepan. And you're assuming a guy who's in the minors now to jump right to a top 6 role next year? Come on. If Kristo is playing 2nd line rw next year it's gonna be another long ****ing year
Boston don't have Savard on their cap nor do they pay him (much at least (20%?).
So what is the risk with Clowe really? I wouldn't have signed him to that contract, but like I said, I doubt NJD will be crippled by it. Hence the risk isn't that big. I would wonder more about the upside.
I agree. But read the above. It absolutely sounds like Lou is putting the future of the org a stakes by signing Clowe.
I see it as a desperate gamble by Lou.
But let be clear about one thing. Teams are almost never or never screwed by players that get injury problems. I think it makes sense to point that out. It's a lot worse to overpay for someone healthy than to sign someone that breaks down.
Off-Side- I've never noticed that Boston has been held back by it...
Also, I think I have pointed it out in every post. But I'll say it again, I don't think WE should have signed Clowe to 5x5. But, I think people overrate the health risk.
Stepan is our 1c right now. He's fine despite having a very rough stretch this last month. Not saying he's ideal as a 1c but is there a 1c available via trade/fa?
People on here were saying Kreider on a top 6 role wouldn't save us. "What has he done to deserve that role?" Kristo is of the same mold. You need talent on your top 6. Kristo has that offensively. I'm confident he'll not only make the team next year but have an impact reminiscent of what Kreider is doing this year.
Stepan is our 1c right now. He's fine despite having a very rough stretch this last month. Not saying he's ideal as a 1c but is there a 1c available via trade/fa?
People on here were saying Kreider on a top 6 role wouldn't save us. "What has he done to deserve that role?" Kristo is of the same mold. You need talent on your top 6. Kristo has that offensively. I'm confident he'll not only make the team next year but have an impact reminiscent of what Kreider is doing this year.