Every great team suffered for a few years to get their top players through the draft. Detroit being an exception by drafting zetterberg n dats late
Speculation: Trade Rumors/Speculation Part X: Sather Falls Asleep on the Phone
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Wait, Nash IS a high draft pick.
Boston if anything were without a high draft pick really contributing.
If you look at it from the other side of the spectrum, how many percent of the top 3-5 picks has won the cup? Made the POs ever?
Detroit and Boston has won without core contribution from high picks, a few teams has of course won with them.
Do the right things. That's the best option.
You make your own bed:
-Turn McD into a Norris Candidate.
-Make Nash work. If not as a franchise player, as a goal scorer.
-Make those steals in the draft. Be better prepared than anyone else.
-Have the best development environment in the AHL in HFD.
-Get the best unsigned kids in college and Europe.
-Give us a top defense built around Hank.
And so forth. Being the best run org in the league beats just gambling on actual lottery tickets to turn out in NY.
Boston if anything were without a high draft pick really contributing.
If you look at it from the other side of the spectrum, how many percent of the top 3-5 picks has won the cup? Made the POs ever?
Detroit and Boston has won without core contribution from high picks, a few teams has of course won with them.
Do the right things. That's the best option.
You make your own bed:
-Turn McD into a Norris Candidate.
-Make Nash work. If not as a franchise player, as a goal scorer.
-Make those steals in the draft. Be better prepared than anyone else.
-Have the best development environment in the AHL in HFD.
-Get the best unsigned kids in college and Europe.
-Give us a top defense built around Hank.
And so forth. Being the best run org in the league beats just gambling on actual lottery tickets to turn out in NY.
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eco's bones
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A really good post.
By the way Getzlaf was picked at #19 in the Jessiman draft. Corey Perry was another late 1st round draft pick. Those were Anaheim's stars.
There is no one way to build anything. There are any number of paths.
I really think you need to have a farm though--and the Rangers have some very good prospects in the AHL--just maybe not quite enough (though you never can have enough). You also need to have other players in the tank--whether the CHL, the Colleges, Europe. The Rangers don't have nearly enough quality or even quantity there. They are potential future foundation pieces or potential future trade pieces. We've let this slip.
Anyway there have been plenty of examples of top ten picks who are really nice players--even legit great players but when put in the limelight or on a bigger stage don't have enough will to succeed. I worry about that a bit with Nash. One might even say the same about Gaborik.
As you said there are right things to do and scouting is a major one.
Rangers had Matt Read, Andrej Sustr, Keith Kinkaid as recent examples of players who've been to their development camps. They sign a kid like Kyle Jean instead. Dane Fox a CHL free agent recently signed with the Canucks. Fox also was at one of our development camps. He has some talent and a lot of attitude. A potential younger version of Sean Avery--who by the way was another CHL free agent originally signed by the Wings. Guys like Avery find a way. I'm betting Fox will. It's not like these guys aren't noticed by our staff or they wouldn't even be at these camps but it's like too often we sign the wrong guys.
Conor Allen--a college free agent though looks to be a success story in the making. Players like Allen (4 year college guys on lesser Div. 1 teams) often are not on the more casual fan's (I'll include myself as one of those) radar. They are out there nonetheless.
Blueshirt Special
Shady Brey
That's because Franson is mediocre. But because he is not a Ranger he is considered a solid defenseman and an upgrade over Girardi/Del Zotto. I'd rather have those two any day of the week
The Gloaming
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Comparing Apples and Oranges here.
Parise's contract was in another ERA CBA wise, with an owner who had no money, battling against a blank check, a friend in Suter, and his family's wishes to be home in Minny...(his wife and his actual family).
Clowe was a Clarkson replacement. Probably not the best contract ever, but it's been a few games. I'm thinking of it this way. The Clowe has played in the 3 games since his injury, the guy at least looks like he knows what he's getting paid to do (create space, hit, make room for his linemates which Henrique has come alive since Clowe came back - obv it's only 4 games, but it's a glimmer of hope)..Clarkson all season looks like he signed the big deal, lost weight, got a new wardrobe and won't be seen mucking it up anymore.
oh Clowe is awesome when he plays, unfortunately its not often. i just see how everything worked out and think that he couldve handed him what he wanted and not handed Clowe his contract. 5 million a year towards Parise with Clowe's contract. hindsight is 20/20 though.
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Shady Brey
Clearly Clowe was a big risk, but if he stays healthy he is a factor and certainly the type of player we could use.
I just don't think that it is a given that Lou screwed up.
I just don't think that it is a given that Lou screwed up.
Clowes injuries are nothing new. he had as many goals as concussions last year. thank god slats saw these issues.
Raspewtin
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5 years for a guy that's one concussion away from his career being done is absolutely screwing up.
Team has 3 main holes to fill for next year, by my estimation.
1) 2c
2) 1 rd
3) 2 rd
Assuming Richards is bought out, Girardi is traded/not resigned. Stralman is shifted down to 3 rd. We also need a 2 rw, but I'm assuming Kristo fills that need for us by next year.
1) 2c
2) 1 rd
3) 2 rd
Assuming Richards is bought out, Girardi is traded/not resigned. Stralman is shifted down to 3 rd. We also need a 2 rw, but I'm assuming Kristo fills that need for us by next year.
BBKers
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Sather snores and wakes up suddenly mumbling something about Mark Messier and Ales Hemsky in a package
Then snoozes off again
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Sather snores and wakes up suddenly mumbling something about Mark Messier and Ales Hemsky in a package
Then snoozes off again
No matter how you slice it, that Clowe contract is miserable. Late December was really the start of his season due to another injury and this is only the first year with a bad AAV.
pld459666
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I have no doubt it does.
Dolan cares nothing for the Rangers so long as they are turning a profit for the Cablevision empire.
Keeping 2 home games WHILE playing in open air stadium benefits the Rangers.
He's not looking out for the best interests of the team or the NHL here. He's looking out for his bottom line and nothing more/.
pld459666
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Please. Lou totally screwed up with that idiotic Clowe contract. If Sather had given Clowe that contract, every fan we have and every fan of other teams would be calling it one of the dumbest contracts in history.
Clowe isn't the type of player we need. We already have a much more talented, power forward developing nicely in Kreider. What we need is for Nash and Stepan to remove their heads from their butts, play harder and win some games for the team like they did last year.
Clowe isn't the type of player we need. We already have a much more talented, power forward developing nicely in Kreider. What we need is for Nash and Stepan to remove their heads from their butts, play harder and win some games for the team like they did last year.
Amazing Kreiderman
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A friend of mine, Maple Leafs fan, whom I watched the Winter Classic with last night, mentioned the Leafs interest in Del Zotto and talked about Kadri being the piece to be offered for DZ.
To be honest, I would love Kadri on the Rangers but I think we have to add in a trade like this. He said he read it on a website but couldn't remember which one. Has anyone of you seen this as well?
To be honest, I would love Kadri on the Rangers but I think we have to add in a trade like this. He said he read it on a website but couldn't remember which one. Has anyone of you seen this as well?
Paulie Walnutz
HFNYR JUST AS SOFT AS NYR
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Who's 1C? And please don't say Stepan. And you're assuming a guy who's in the minors now to jump right to a top 6 role next year? Come on. If Kristo is playing 2nd line rw next year it's gonna be another long ****ing year
Ghost of jas
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How do we need a RW when both Nash and Zucc are here, (even if Callahan is not retained)? Next to LD, RW is the deepest position in the organization. We have Nash, Callahan, Zucc and Dorsett, plus Kristo and Fast in Hartford. The needs are a top 6 LW and a RD, (two if both Girardi and and Stralman are not retained) and a potential upgrade at one of the top two center positions IF the organization has decided to cut bait on Brassard.
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