Speculation: Trade Rumors/Speculation Part X: Sather Falls Asleep on the Phone

[bernmeister]

I think i'll listen to nobody if those are my choices. Who replaces Girardi's minutes? Trade for 2 unknowns players but you have no replacement for Girardi. If you say Allen, Stralman, Moore or DZ then the conversation is over. You need another guy who can take those minutes and they cant, maybe DZ but not on the right side

Then it is clear, you want your cake and to eat it too, all at the same time.

Step 1.
Best deal for best overall talent upgrade/acquisition

Step 2.
In the short term you suffer (assuming that is the case, it is not clear not given more minutes, w/quality guys on LD, that those RDs would not be able to step up, or at least step up enough.

 

[Ail]

How did you come to that conclusion? Most fans are willing to stand by their team as long as they play hard for 60 minutes every night. It's the organization that won't go through a rebuild, because they need to justify the million dollars a year they charge for luxury boxes by having stars in the lineup.

Exactly what I said last night to someone.

Losing is acceptable when your team loses with some sort of effort and goes down knowing they played their ***** off but the other team was just better, or the bounced didn't go your way. Losing like a true loser is even acceptable at times when it is not the norm. Unfortunately right now this team is playing like losers most nights and that kind of losing is unacceptable.

However right now losing is probably the best option for this team.

 

[RangersHank*]

Then it is clear, you want your cake and to eat it too, all at the same time.

Step 1.
Best deal for best overall talent upgrade/acquisition

Step 2.
In the short term you suffer (assuming that is the case, it is not clear not given more minutes, w/quality guys on LD, that those RDs would not be able to step up, or at least step up enough.

So what would our D corps be if that trade goes through? Girardi for 2 1sts like you said

 

[broadwayblue]

So what would our D corps be if that trade goes through? Girardi for 2 1sts like you said

What does our D corps look like if Girardi walks over the summer? I'll gladly take the 2 1sts if the organization isn't interested in paying him 42M over 7 years.

 

[bernmeister]

I'm pretty sure Bernmeister has some eight way trade that would result in us obtaining Malkin and then playing prospects in all other top six positions.

Does that work?

Damn, give him credit where credit is due... however ridiculous he is, we do talk about his silly s**t.

You're too kind. I think.

 

[Ola]

Girardi-DZ-2nd-St.Croix for Bogosian-Trouba-3rd? Not sure

Staal and Kreider for Trouba and Wheeler.

Trouba can skate extremely well, move the puck and create offense from the blueline. He is a great hitter. Right shooting RD.

 

[RangersHank*]

Staal and Kreider for Trouba and Wheeler.

I dont really wanna give up Kreider tho unless you give me Kane and even then it would be tough.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

I dont really wanna give up Kreider tho unless you give me Kane and even then it would be tough.

Trouba is a lot more valuable than Kane

 

[RangersHank*]

What does our D corps look like if Girardi walks over the summer? I'll gladly take the 2 1sts if the organization isn't interested in paying him 42M over 7 years.

Over the summer and january is different isnt it?

 

[UncleOscar]

Staal and Kreider for Trouba and Wheeler.

This trade is spot on value-wise IMO, but I don't think either team does it. Real good proposal though.

 

[Thirty One]

and Kane. lol

Would make the Rangers too ethnic, I think.

 

[bernmeister]

So what would our D corps be if that trade goes through? Girardi for 2 1sts like you said

So there's no confusion, in that scenario I said Girardi to Ducks for Ott's higher 1st and Ana's late 1st, both Duck controlled, and Rangers cough up 3 seconds. That also addresses all issues about Girardi not extended.

It was not specified, but it is believed while Ducks want to keep nearly all their pieces and this allows them to do that, for head count/cap, 1 D would have to come back and the answer that would be Souray, on a contract short term enough we can live with it.

To answer your ?, assuming for the moment no other trades, our immediate D picture would be:

McD Stralman
Staal Allen
MDZ Moore/McIlrath

with Souray maybe and others in the mix.

Also, if a guy like Postma, who has been out with blood issues is suddenly good to go, that is surplus RD we can get reasonably from Jets.

And again, this assumes no follow up which would likely not be the case.

 

[Blueshirt Special]

Fans here don't really want to see the team lose. On the contrary, they want badly to win it all. What happens frequently, and I thnk maybe moreso this year, is that there is a sense of futility because many of us feel, no, we are certain, that this team is NOT going to win a Cup this year or even in in the near future as it is currently constructed.

So when you have come to that conclusion, you want to take the quickest route possible to get the makeup of the roster built to win it all. And so in the minds of these fans, we might as well start NOW, by doing whatever it takes to position the team to make the right acquisitions.

And I get that.

Of course there is much debate on exactly HOW this should all transpire and I guess that's why this is called a forum.

 

[broadwayblue]

Over the summer and january is different isnt it?

Sure, but let's be realistic. The team as currently comprised is not making it to the SCF. We might make the playoffs and would be long shots to win a round. With that being the case, if the team is not looking to re-sign Girardi I want the best assets we can get for him before we lose him for nothing, even if that makes us worse off the rest of the season. I don't root for us to tank...but I fear that if we're in the hunt so to speak the organization will look to buy, not sell...and that's most certainly a mistake this season.

 

[RangersHank*]

So there's no confusion, in that scenario I said Girardi to Ducks for Ott's higher 1st and Ana's late 1st, both Duck controlled, and Rangers cough up 3 seconds. That also addresses all issues about Girardi not extended.

It was not specified, but it is believed while Ducks want to keep nearly all their pieces and this allows them to do that, for head count/cap, 1 D would have to come back and the answer that would be Souray, on a contract short term enough we can live with it.

To answer your ?, assuming for the moment no other trades, our immediate D picture would be:

McD Stralman
Staal Allen
MDZ Moore/McIlrath

with Souray maybe and others in the mix.

Also, if a guy like Postma, who has been out with blood issues is suddenly good to go, that is surplus RD we can get reasonably from Jets.

And again, this assumes no follow up which would likely be the case.

Makes sense. What spot do you think those picks will be at?

 

[theFiGS]

Oh cmon, that's a little much. It's only ignorant and obnoxious because we aren't face to face. If that were the case we'd be laughing over some beers, trust me. There is barely a mean bone in this body.

I'm sure you're right even though I can't look at alcohol after last night I was just saying that because of the way you came off on your posts.

 

[RangersHank*]

Sure, but let's be realistic. The team as currently comprised is not making it to the SCF. We might make the playoffs and would be long shots to win a round. With that being the case, if the team is not looking to re-sign Girardi I want the best assets we can get for him before we lose him for nothing, even if that makes us worse off the rest of the season. I don't root for us to tank...but I fear that if we're in the hunt so to speak the organization will look to buy, not sell...and that's most certainly a mistake this season.

I agree but we all know this organization will try to buy like you said. In a perfect world, Girardi is traded for 2 1sts or at least 1 1st.

 

[broadwayblue]

I agree but we all know this organization will try to buy like you said. In a perfect world, Girardi is traded for 2 1sts or at least 1 1st.

That's why us playing .500 hockey is a curse. If we're 10 points out of the last spot (as opposed to 4) the org might be able to restrain themselves. Otherwise we're just dealing off 2nd and 5th rounders for Antropov's and Scott's...to what end? We need to be stockpiling picks and assets.

 

[RangersHank*]

That's why us playing .500 hockey is a curse. If we're 10 points out of the last spot (as opposed to 4) the org might be able to restrain themselves. Otherwise we're just dealing off 2nd and 5th rounders for Antropov's and Scott's...to what end?

I agree and that means Girardi gets a big contract and Callahan too, crippling us.

Scott should have been given to us for free lol. 11-12 trade deadline and i'm expecting an Iginla or Clowe type trade to put the team over the top and the update says John Scott, made me sick.

 

[theFiGS]

That's why us playing .500 hockey is a curse. If we're 10 points out of the last spot (as opposed to 4) the org might be able to restrain themselves. Otherwise we're just dealing off 2nd and 5th rounders for Antropov's and Scott's...to what end? We need to be stockpiling picks and assets.

10 points out? Sather will feel we're one piece away from making the playoffs. 4 points out and Sather feels we're a piece away from the cup. There's no winning with that guy lol every team that's in our position looks to sell guys like Girardi and Callahan. It makes the most sense

 

[bernmeister]

Makes sense. What spot do you think those picks will be at?

Too early to tell for certain.
Ottawa figure 10-12, not much further.

Ducks are strong. Anywhere from 25th maybe, to last if they win it?

But my point was, and thank you for noting it makes sense, is it's not sense because of the exact slots.

It's sense because:
we can't afford to extend Girardi
we need to get the best return for Girardi instead of nothing
Ducks have 2 picks and could afford to let them both go if we sweeten with the 3 seconds, avoiding complications about whether or not Girardi extends with them. If he does, they have a bargain; if he doesn't they still got good value for a high quality rental, and they were not gypped since they have first crack to extend.

 

[RangersHank*]

Too early to tell for certain.
Ottawa figure 10-12, not much further.

Ducks are strong. Anywhere from 25th maybe, to last if they win it?

But my point was, and thank you for noting it makes sense, is it's not sense because of the exact slots.

It's sense because:
we can't afford to extend Girardi
we need to get the best return for Girardi instead of nothing
Ducks have 2 picks and could afford to let them both go if we sweeten with the 3 seconds, avoiding complications about whether or not Girardi extends with them. If he does, they have a bargain; if he doesn't they still got good value for a high quality rental, and they were not gypped since they have first crack to extend.

The more i think of it, the more i like 2 1sts for G. If Anaheim's 1st is late, we can even trade down to get a few extra picks unless something nice is available. I say do it

 

[Ola]

I dont really wanna give up Kreider tho unless you give me Kane and even then it would be tough.

Yeah, Kane and Trouba for Staal and Kreider would of course be "optimal" (it sucks to loose Kreider of course, but I think Trouba has potential to become better than McD even, and he fits extremely well for us, good defensively, RD, a bit more offense than McD and so forth). But even less likely that Winnipeg would do it, and I am not so sure that Kane fits us that much better than Wheeler to be honest. Wheeler is really strong along the boards and infront of the net. We would be really heavy upfront with Wheeler and Nash on the first line. Kane is a good player, but a bit too much N-S for my liking at least.

 

[ThisYearsModel]

Exactly what I said last night to someone.

Losing is acceptable when your team loses with some sort of effort and goes down knowing they played their ***** off but the other team was just better, or the bounced didn't go your way. Losing like a true loser is even acceptable at times when it is not the norm. Unfortunately right now this team is playing like losers most nights and that kind of losing is unacceptable.

However right now losing is probably the best option for this team.

It's all about the benjamins for Dolan. Otherwise, why are the Rangers VISITORS in 2 games at Yankee Stadium? Dolan would not give up the 2 home game revenues.

 

[RangersHank*]

Yeah, Kane and Trouba for Staal and Kreider would of course be "optimal" (it sucks to loose Kreider of course, but I think Trouba has potential to become better than McD even, and he fits extremely well for us, good defensively, RD, a bit more offense than McD and so forth). But even less likely that Winnipeg would do it, and I am not so sure that Kane fits us that much better than Wheeler to be honest. Wheeler is really strong along the boards and infront of the net. We would be really heavy upfront with Wheeler and Nash on the first line. Kane is a good player, but a bit too much N-S for my liking at least.

I just wouldnt wanna give up Kreider for Wheeler because i think Wheeler has stopped improving as a player, he is what he is. No offense to him but Kreider still has room to grow and i would hate to move him unless it for another young improving winger. Trouba i'm not familiar with