Speculation: Trade Rumors/Speculation Part X: Sather Falls Asleep on the Phone
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slipknottin
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Fast has put up pts in HFD lately, but I don't quite feel his skating is there due to all injuries. A broken leg and two knee injuries in two years is not good.
Fast is making a lot of great small plays, winning puck battles, outmuscling Ds with his balance, he should be skating like Hagelin but the intensity is just not there.
If he can have a couple if good months though, who knows...
The organization at least has them within the system. Just not all contributing on all cylinders yet. Would not trade these three at all.
I like their mental game in addition to their athletic ability, and I think as they all grow becoming men we will see more of that.
Yes the organization needs more of that, but as the shrinking violets and mercs, and no shows get weeded out, it's hopefully the Miller's Kreider's, leading the way in forming this teams identity.
I think Connor Allen will add to that.
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Gardner McKay
RIP, Jimmy.
What makes you think Stamkos would be available? People said the same things about Kovalchuk, Hossa, etc. Did either of them sign with us? (there are also numerous others that this has been said about) Stamkos will not become a UFA. He will be traded & signed long before it got to that point. With Vinny L gone and St. Louis not getting any younger, it would cripple that franchise beyond belief to lose Stamkos as a UFA. Also, do you think a team that would give up significant assets for a guy like Stamkos would do that without knowing before hand they could sign him?
I Eat Crow
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The chances of that happening are slim to none, but you never know. Tampa always seems to be a team that has one good year and then one bad year. Not much consistency there, though to their credit they seem to have ironed out their ownership issues.
for sure get some kids in.
Its not going to make people happy but right now for next yr I pencil in
Kreider, Stepan, Nash
Zuccarello, Brassard, Callahan( re-sign )
Hagelin, Miller, Dorsett
let all UFAs go. I would b surprised if Pouliott keeps going. Boyle should be dealt for a pick or maybe they can find a deal for a tough 4th line winger?
Moore as well for a late pick. Pyatt , Asham, Powe are useless. Richards has to be bought out.
Thing is will Lindberg be best as a 4th line C or does he need the minutes in CT? Fast , Hrvik, Kristo could all get a look.
yea they could make a balzy deal but I think if that happens its on D
Eh might not exactly be that it took him 3 months to figure it out but this team has a lot of centers and AV has obviously been juggling things around trying to find the best way to play them all. AV also likes to use a line for defensive duties and he needs a center to win draws and be responsible defensively, and I dont' think Miller was quite there. May still not be, but at this point he's probably not hurting the team anymore than it hurts itself, and I think AV has settled on using Boyle and Moore together as his defensive line and 4th line.
I like Miller's potential a lot. Again I think he could be the ideal Dubinsky replacement (and people sold Dubinsky short on a lot of stuff he brought to the table) but he still has a long ways to go. Getting NHL minutes with decent linemates should help that though I think, instead of hinder. I wouldn't trade him, teams need a hard working guy who has some skills and will play physical, and that's what Miller can be.
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I agree with this post, now's the time to start injecting some youth slowly-but-surely.
Ghost of jas
Unsatisfied
Dorsett is not a 3rd liner, and Zucc is best on RW. This team needs a legitimate top six LW.
The other dilemma becomes, if Zucc is on his way to becoming a viable top six RW, and Nash goes nowhere, are you going to overpay Callahan on a long term deal to be a 3rd liner, especially since he's likely reached his peak of development, and is more likely beginning his descent?
What top 6 LW are you getting for DZ and Boyle? 2 guys who get crucifiee on this board.
SingnBluesOnBroadway
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A lot of same mentality the front office has leaks down to the board. You never know. Anything can happen.
A few things.
1 - Del Colle is the guy I wanted the Rangers to target this draft. But he'll be nearly unobtainable if we're anywhere below 7th... and that may even be a stretch. He's big and the type of center the Rangers need for players like Zucc and Nash. A big, hard nosed center, is a guy that drives the defense back by going hard to the net. That will give Nash + Zucc a lot of space to carry the puck and be creative with it.
2 - I think Miller is good on the 3rd line. I've advocated for him to be up all season. I think that he's not ready to be up in the NHL is overblown. He's essentially a rookie and everyone needs to understand that there are bumps with rookies. There will be mistakes, but there will also be progression. I think the next step should be to let him do exactly this, play 10-13 minutes a game and let him learn at the biggest level. J.T also improves as he goes along - slow starts, dominant endings. I wouldn't be surprised if he actually looked like one of our better players come the end of the season (if he's not sent down upon Cally's return). Eventually, I think he game will translate to the 2nd line center role. I think he can develop into Kesler lite, but that's personal opinion.
3 - Again, I can't stress enough that Smith would likely be a 4th line player on this team. We have a few top 6 players and then a bunch of bottom 6 players. Let's assume that right now we have 4 top 6 players: Nash, Kreider, Stepan, and Zucc. Everyone else would technically be able to play bottom 6 roles effectively. Cally is a 3rd line winger at this stage in his career. You can slot him up to the 2nd line but Vigneault really likes raw offensive talent in his top 6. Hagelin is a 3rd line winger. Miller (for now) is a 3rd line center. I don't think Brassard will be a part of this team for much longer, and Richards will be bought out. Poo and Pyatt are gone at the end of the year, although I could see Sather/Gorton retaining Poo to be the 13th forward if he takes a team friendly contract. Anyone else coming in would be a 4th line player - Boyle, Dorsett, FA acquisition.
That leaves 2 spots that the Rangers need to hit out of the park to succeed. Maybe they have one of them in house in Kristo - everything I've read on him seems very promising. So that leaves a 2nd line center as our biggest and most pressing need - on offense.
He has some pretty good raw offensive talent. Guys like that tend to be much closer to being ready than others.
The coaches are trying to teach him to play defensively. In that aspect he's not ready, and in that aspect he may never actually be dominant. But offensively... it's likely he has NHL-ready offensive skill.
Depending on where the team decides to go... he could conceivably be up by the deadline.
Samuel Culper III
Mr. Woodhull...
Kreider - Stepan - Nash
??? - ??? - Zuccarello
Hagelin - Miller - Callahan
Dorsett - Lindberg - Hrivik
Would be what I would be okay with if Cally is brought back. Richards bought out and Brassard/Miller are not good enough to be our 2C. Lindberg will be a good fourth line option next year and I think Hrivik would play well there too. Good on the boards. Strong. Good two-way sense. They could forecheck and grind/cycle well, that line.
McDonagh - ???
Staal - ???
Allen/Moore - McIlrath/Stralman
This team has more holes than we can realistically hope to fill. We need a true top-six center and winger and two top-four dmen who can at least play to the right. Those are big holes. Our only trade chips of any value are MDZ, Brassard, Boyle, one of Fast/Kristo, and picks. Otherwise we're just creating even more holes.
??? - ??? - Zuccarello
Hagelin - Miller - Callahan
Dorsett - Lindberg - Hrivik
Would be what I would be okay with if Cally is brought back. Richards bought out and Brassard/Miller are not good enough to be our 2C. Lindberg will be a good fourth line option next year and I think Hrivik would play well there too. Good on the boards. Strong. Good two-way sense. They could forecheck and grind/cycle well, that line.
McDonagh - ???
Staal - ???
Allen/Moore - McIlrath/Stralman
This team has more holes than we can realistically hope to fill. We need a true top-six center and winger and two top-four dmen who can at least play to the right. Those are big holes. Our only trade chips of any value are MDZ, Brassard, Boyle, one of Fast/Kristo, and picks. Otherwise we're just creating even more holes.
My post above yours has us having the same 2 holes. I think Kristo could be one of those top 6 wingers. We really need to focus on a 2c though.
Additionally, what's the FA market look like? We need defense too.
Allen looks like a promising 4-6. Too bad McI got hurt, we could have really evaluated where he was and what he could bring.
DZ is gone. Moore is another 5-6.
Do Girardi and Staal get traded or resigned?
Decisions decisions. DZ + Brassard will yield you a lot. So will Girardi and Staal (individually).
slipknottin
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I don't agree with that take on him at all. He's not bad defensively. He's just not that good offensively. He has some ability. But will it translate easily to the next level? I'm not so sure. Offensively he still makes a lot of mistakes. Passes he can't make and that type of thing.
I was reading an article with Schoenfeld. He labeled bad passes as a defensive aspect part of the game. Kristo has natural scoring ability. He's not a Zucc or Brassard where his first thought is to pass. We need more guys that shoot. That Kristo can do.
But decisions have been a problem from what i've read. They're trying to get him to limit mistakes that lead to odd man rushes leading back. I don't know what to classify that as - Scho classified it as defensive aspects of the game.
slipknottin
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Eh however you want to label it. It's just semantics. There are aspects of his game apart from defensive positioning that need work. I'm not sure he is an elite finisher either. He's a good one. But that's at the ahl level.
Samuel Culper III
Mr. Woodhull...
Yep, I left G off my trade chips list but he is one. I don't think we move DZ, Girardi and Staal all in the same year so I kept Staal in my projection since he's under contract. Still, even with G in the trade chips, it's a lot of holes to fill. I wouldn't count on Kristo being able to contribute. We did that with Kreider a couple years ago and it was a mistake. Moving Staal could bring in a decent return as well, but it just opens another sizeable hole. I think next year will actually be worse for us. This is a good time to cut weight, stock pile prospects and high end picks and look to the future. This year and next could be bleak, but if handled right, could also set us up for a couple years from now.
What could Girardi yield us?
I think a top 3 prospect and a 1st.
He hasn't been extended yet. That's not a good sign in regards to his return to the team beyond this season.
Could Toronto want him? Ottawa? Plenty of teams need strong defense.
I'd start with a 2c (prospect or young player) and a 1st. Ott has Zib. Toronto has Kadri. Start there, add the first.
I think a top 3 prospect and a 1st.
He hasn't been extended yet. That's not a good sign in regards to his return to the team beyond this season.
Could Toronto want him? Ottawa? Plenty of teams need strong defense.
I'd start with a 2c (prospect or young player) and a 1st. Ott has Zib. Toronto has Kadri. Start there, add the first.
Samuel Culper III
Mr. Woodhull...
Girardi owl never bring back Kadri/Zibanejad + 1st. We'd practically have to add a 1st to Girardi.
KingWantsCup
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Out of all the names dangled that are realistically available I would love Kadri.
Girardi + 3rd for Kadri + 1st?
Girardi + 3rd for Kadri + 1st?
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