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Speculation: Trade Rumors/Speculation Part X: Sather Falls Asleep on the Phone

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slipknottin said:
Eh however you want to label it. It's just semantics. There are aspects of his game apart from defensive positioning that need work. I'm not sure he is an elite finisher either. He's a good one. But that's at the ahl level.
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True and Newbury was a great AHL finisher, but Kristo has been a finisher at all levels he's played at. WJC, college, now AHL. He stood out during the preseason.

He may need to work on his decisions with the puck but that's fixable. He has a knack for putting the puck in the back of the net. He's fast down the wing. He's got a pretty good shot. Realistically, I think he could be a serviceable 2nd line RW next year and down the road.
 
KingWantsCup said:
Out of all the names dangled that are realistically available I would love Kadri.

Girardi + 3rd for Kadri + 1st?
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You wouldn't even need to add the 3rd. Girardi is a top line defensive defender. Those players definitely have value.

He has a lot of playoff experience too. He should be able to command that on his own.
 
SERE 24 said:
Girardi owl never bring back Kadri/Zibanejad + 1st. We'd practically have to add a 1st to Girardi.
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I'd be very surprised if that was the case.

Top line minutes.
Proven/Established
Right Hand Shot
A lot of playoff experience
Good locker room guy
Can play the PK and the PP (although he's not too good at the PP)

That'll hold a lot of value. There will be a lot of teams interested in him both during the deadline and the offseason. The price will go up. He should be able to get what I listed, especially with Sather's negotiation skills. He should be able to get that without Sather's negotiation skills as well purely based on value.
 
Nick Kypreos was discussing Phaneuf's contract with the Sportsnet panel on Hockeycentral 590 from the Big House. Kyper said things aren't going well with the Girardi contract discussions and he will go the distance. Free agency. Scotty Morrison said Girardi is a $6M per player. The Rangers have no choice other than to trade Girardi. God bless him if he can get $6M per. It better not be from the Rangers. It looks like it won't be the Rangers. Trade him.
 
He's a UFA and a defensive dman, which always gets undervalued. He's not going to bring back a young, cost controlled top-six center and a 1st. He's not going to bring back the garbage people are trying to offer on the trade boards either but guys like Zibanejad and to a lesser extent Kadri won't be moved with pluses for Girardi. I could see G + conditional 2nd (third if he re-signs) for Kadri + 3rd. That way it's straight across basically if G stays in Toronto and they get a 2nd if he doesn't.
 
kenjets36 said:
You wouldn't even need to add the 3rd. Girardi is a top line defensive defender. Those players definitely have value.

He has a lot of playoff experience too. He should be able to command that on his own.
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I even bumped the offer up to Girardi + a 2nd and the trade board basically laughed. :help:
 
KingWantsCup said:
I even bumped the offer up to Girardi + a 2nd and the trade board basically laughed. :help:
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Generally, the board also doesn't have a concept of demand, supply, and leverage either.

Over rates Del Zotto's value and under rates Staal's and Girardi's. :shakehead
 
SERE 24 said:
He's a UFA and a defensive dman, which always gets undervalued. He's not going to bring back a young, cost controlled top-six center and a 1st. He's not going to bring back the garbage people are trying to offer on the trade boards either but guys like Zibanejad and to a lesser extent Kadri won't be moved with pluses for Girardi. I could see G + conditional 2nd (third if he re-signs) for Kadri + 3rd. That way it's straight across basically if G stays in Toronto and they get a 2nd if he doesn't.
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I'm sorry, but where exactly are you getting these ideas? Please go look at comparable trades of comparable players and their returns. By comparable players go look at first line rentals - defensive and offensive.

What would Suter have gotten? Girardi should command slightly less. And by slightly I mean marginally lower.
 
RangerBoy said:
Nick Kypreos was discussing Phaneuf's contract with the Sportsnet panel on Hockeycentral 590 from the Big House. Kyper said things aren't going well with the Girardi contract discussions and he will go the distance. Free agency. Scotty Morrison said Girardi is a $6M per player. The Rangers have no choice other than to trade Girardi. God bless him if he can get $6M per. It better not be from the Rangers. It looks like it won't be the Rangers. Trade him.
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I can see Girardi getting 6/yr if he takes a shorter length or 5.5/yr if he takes a longer one.

4-5 years could yield him 5.75-6 mill per. 6-7 years could yield him 5.25-5 mill per.

Teams can use him. I agree though, shouldn't be the Rangers handing out that mistake of a contract. Let another team folly.
 
kenjets36 said:
I'm sorry, but where exactly are you getting these ideas? Please go look at comparable trades of comparable players and their returns. By comparable players go look at first line rentals - defensive and offensive.

What would Suter have gotten? Girardi should command slightly less. And by slightly I mean marginally lower.
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Marginally less than Ryan Suter? What? Since you're the one making the argument, you go find a comparable dman to Girardi who was a rental and what they were traded for. I believe you're pretty off base here.
 
kenjets36 said:
True and Newbury was a great AHL finisher, but Kristo has been a finisher at all levels he's played at. WJC, college, now AHL. He stood out during the preseason.

He may need to work on his decisions with the puck but that's fixable. He has a knack for putting the puck in the back of the net. He's fast down the wing. He's got a pretty good shot. Realistically, I think he could be a serviceable 2nd line RW next year and down the road.
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I don't disagree. I certainly hope that's where he gets. But I'm not so sure, he just doesn't strike me as being as skilled as miller was when I watched them play next to each other.
 
Bouwmeester got a late 1st, Cundari and Berra.

I can't think of another comparable but Toronto's 1st is going to be higher than St. Louis' 1st and Berra + Cundari wouldn't land Kadri in a million years.
 
SERE 24 said:
Bouwmeester got a late 1st, Cundari and Berra.

I can't think of another comparable but Toronto's 1st is going to be higher than St. Louis' 1st and Berra + Cundari wouldn't land Kadri in a million years.
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Bouwmeester wasn't even an UFA, had one year left. In a seasen with a lot of buyers and few sellers because it was shortened.

Everything is possible, but would be surprised if an UFA Girardi nets a better return then Hossa or Kovalchuk.
 
jas said:
My sentiments exactly....Kadri would be Gomez part 2.
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Like all of these things it's the price - if we're trading things like MDZ, expiring contracts and B-prospects/mid-round picks, Kadri's a risk worth taking. He is more likely to help us than that kind of package. I think he's worth more than that, but maybe this thing blows up.
 
the thing is players like MDZ, you dont move just to move them.. they are young and can still grow as players.. his early success isnt a fluke, dude just has to understand what is expected of him.. you dont move his kind of player age/skill set for picks, prospects, not ready NHL players..

Girardi front..

Same with him, say we dont pay him what he's looking to get, then we're replacing him with either trading away the farm to try and get a player like him, or over paying on FA so either way we're screwed, and most of you will *****.. rather anti up and pay him reasonably.. higher AAV lower term thats what i would try and do.. all said and done no way shape or form rangers can afford to loose callahan or girardi for what they bring to the team as leaders and style of play.. G is a warrior..
 
RangerBoy said:
http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/ra...carello-skip-practice-staal-works-on-conditio

The Rangers scouting staff led by Gorton and Clark feel Miller's game is best suited at center.

The Rangers feel Miller can play in the bottom six and work his way into the top six. The problem was Vigneault wouldn't play Miller at center. Ryan Kesler started out as a bottom six player and worked his way into the top 6 when Vigneault became the Canucks coach. Miller is better than Boyle and Moore.

The Rangers felt Kreider couldn't play in the bottom six and work his way into the top six. He was sent to the AHL and it woke him up.

At the very least this season,the Rangers should try to establish some of their young guys in the NHL. Kreider looks to be on his way. His defensive game is better too. Miller. Too bad McIlrath got hurt. His knee will be reevaluated later this week. Allen. Maybe Lindberg later in the season.
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Full agree, RB, except I am willing to accept the growing pains and give JT 2nd line mins now, pair w/Kreider.

Bout time AV listened to us. Lindberg, yes, except don't wanna ruin his ELC status (give up a year) for sake of a few games. But a 5 game or whatever cup of coffee, yes.
 
Not sure why Kadri suddenly available. However, can that be used to press for a larger deal?

Maybe:
Stepan + MDZ + Girardi + Rangers 2014 1st
for
Kadri ... and .... JVR
 
bernmeister said:
Not sure why Kadri suddenly available. However, can that be used to press for a larger deal?

Maybe:
Stepan + MDZ + Girardi + Rangers 2014 1st
for
Kadri ... and .... JVR
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Rangers would need a d man back or trade for one. I'd love JVR on this team
 
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