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Rangers Report ‏@rangersreport 53s
Rangers have played 100 games in the calendar year 2013 (including playoffs) and are 50-44-6, which in reality is exactly .500.

as RB says, we are the same middling team if we re-sign girardi and callahan. time to move on.
 
Why do I have a feeling the Rangers will be buyers at the deadline.
 
smoneil said:
Del Zotto deserves a boatload of credit for not demanding a trade. Even in a season where he has struggled, he has been significantly better than three of the guys who have played ahead of him this year (Moore, Falk, and, never thought I'd say it, but Staal has been horrid this year). Every time he gets sent to the press box (while others, who have been far worse, continue to play), AV ***** on DZ to the media (usually while praising a bum like J.Moore).

At this point, might as well just trade him, because I can't see him even wanting to play here under AV.
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It was unnecessary and unprofessional on his part. Simply take care of it behind the scenes, and get max value. Call his scratches a body bruise, and have him study tape if you wanna coach him up or shelter his minutes and trade him.

AV not knowing his team before the season is a product of that. It's obvious DZ can't read well. If it doesn't work then maximize before moving on. Positive reinforcement for John Moore didn't all of a sudden make him a 20 minute a night guy, and negative reinforcement isn't working for DZ either.
 
RGY said:
Buyers and Sellers
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This is the way to go. Team can go make a lateral move if the components are being replaced, but there will be a need for some creative asset management with so many UFAs.

Rangers could stockpile picks, use said picks and assets to get new assets.

Fish and cut bait.
 
eco's bones said:
DZ was our worst d-man vs. TB the other night. He screwed up chasing the play on the Johnson pwp goal. He and Girardi got mixed up on the Palat goal and that play where he slid over to the right side leaving the whole left side and St. Louis unchecked was pretty ****ed up.

DZ could demand a trade--I'm not sure that would bring a lot more buyers out of the woodwork. In any case I think everyone knows by now that the Rangers are trying to deal him. He has little if any leverage. IMO DZ's not better than the bum John Moore. Both of them are prone to about the same amount of ****ed up decisions. Moore is slightly younger--bigger--a lot better skater and on a cheaper contract. Say it again and again but DZ's current $2.55 mil per year contract is part of the reason the Rangers need to move him as that's the base his next contract this summer is going to start from. He's not worth the money he's making now. Stralman for one is making a lot less than that and is a lot steadier player.
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You focus an awful lot on what Moore has over Del Zotto (a couple of months of age? Really? You are reaching here). Yet you conveniently ignore the biggest difference between them. Production. Del Zotto generally scores more in a year than Moore has scored in his career. MDZ had proven, in three different seasons, that he can be a point-producing D in this league. He's gotten Norris votes in the past. Has Moore ever even won the Broadway Hat?

Again, I think the issues are primarily twofold. First, MDZ can't play on the right. His skating issues, which aren't that noticeable on the left, are magnified on the right. Second, MDZ (and Moore, and Girardi, and ESPECIALLY Staal) seems to have a bit of trouble with the man to man defense that AV loves. Before dismantling a top group of defensemen for peanuts, I think it would make more sense to try implementing a zone again. I won't argue that DZ isn't struggling. He is. That's not my point. My point is that every other defenseman (except for McD and to a lesser extent Stralman) is struggling just as much (Girardi) or even more (Staal and Moore) than MDZ. The magnifying glass is on MDZ right now because AV loves Moore for some reason, but the second MDZ is gone, you can be sure that the other guys on this list will start getting the same treatment.

This team really has ONE thing going for it--defense. Some of you are just too quick to give that away in my opinion (particularly when we struggle to score and, when used properly, DZ is our best offensive threat from the back).
 
backofthefridge said:
Rangers Report ‏@rangersreport 53s
Rangers have played 100 games in the calendar year 2013 (including playoffs) and are 50-44-6, which in reality is exactly .500.

as RB says, we are the same middling team if we re-sign girardi and callahan. time to move on.
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Huge Pet Peeve of mine. The Rangers rarely lose in OT. I can't understand counting a shootout loss the same as a regulation loss. It's ridiculous to me. OT loss, I can understand (though 4 on 4 hockey also is a slight gimmick). A shootout is a skill competition. If you want to use it to decide games because you hate ties go ahead (you can argue it, but I can see this point of view). However, a team is 20-10-10 and 10 losses came in a skill competition is NOT the same as a team that's 20-20, I'm sorry it's just not.
 
smoneil said:
You focus an awful lot on what Moore has over Del Zotto (a couple of months of age? Really? You are reaching here). Yet you conveniently ignore the biggest difference between them. Production. Del Zotto generally scores more in a year than Moore has scored in his career. MDZ had proven, in three different seasons, that he can be a point-producing D in this league. He's gotten Norris votes in the past. Has Moore ever even won the Broadway Hat?

Again, I think the issues are primarily twofold. First, MDZ can't play on the right. His skating issues, which aren't that noticeable on the left, are magnified on the right. Second, MDZ (and Moore, and Girardi, and ESPECIALLY Staal) seems to have a bit of trouble with the man to man defense that AV loves. Before dismantling a top group of defensemen for peanuts, I think it would make more sense to try implementing a zone again. I won't argue that DZ isn't struggling. He is. That's not my point. My point is that every other defenseman (except for McD and to a lesser extent Stralman) is struggling just as much (Girardi) or even more (Staal and Moore) than MDZ. The magnifying glass is on MDZ right now because AV loves Moore for some reason, but the second MDZ is gone, you can be sure that the other guys on this list will start getting the same treatment.

This team really has ONE thing going for it--defense. Some of you are just too quick to give that away in my opinion (particularly when we struggle to score and, when used properly, DZ is our best offensive threat from the back).
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i agree. its clear that AV's defensive system just isnt working. they have had the time to learn it and it has failed. everyone but McD and Stralman looks horrible in it. also how many teams today play a man on man defense? it seems like its been exploited and doesnt work in todays NHL.
 
SnowblindNYR said:
Huge Pet Peeve of mine. The Rangers rarely lose in OT. I can't understand counting a shootout loss the same as a regulation loss. It's ridiculous to me. OT loss, I can understand (though 4 on 4 hockey also is a slight gimmick). A shootout is a skill competition. If you want to use it to decide games because you hate ties go ahead (you can argue it, but I can see this point of view). However, a team is 20-10-10 and 10 losses came in a skill competition is NOT the same as a team that's 20-20, I'm sorry it's just not.
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i cant see you wouldnt like a game where erik christensen is probably the most dominant player to ever lace them up
 
SnowblindNYR said:
Huge Pet Peeve of mine. The Rangers rarely lose in OT. I can't understand counting a shootout loss the same as a regulation loss. It's ridiculous to me. OT loss, I can understand (though 4 on 4 hockey also is a slight gimmick). A shootout is a skill competition. If you want to use it to decide games because you hate ties go ahead (you can argue it, but I can see this point of view). However, a team is 20-10-10 and 10 losses came in a skill competition is NOT the same as a team that's 20-20, I'm sorry it's just not.
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that's not the point. the goal is to win the stanley cup. this is done by building a team that can contend over a stretch of several years. a team at .500 (or marginally above .500 as you believe) isn't a contender. call a spade a spade. trade girardi and callahan for prospects and picks unless they take a significant hometown discount. invest in the future.
 
Keeping both Girardi and Callahan is going to cap-strap this team for another 5-7 years. It shouldn't even be an option.

Keeping one of them is a much easier pill to swallow. Gives them a little more flexibility down the road.

Who carries the bigger worth to the club? I'm guessing Callahan will get more money in an open market. Will likely get more money from Sather than Girardi will.

While Callahan has been tremendous for the NYR the reality of it is there is some depth at forward here. There is very little depth at RD as we all know. Not to overstate the obvious but if a deal could be had in the mil range even if it takes an extra year on the contract then I think Girardi is the guy.

Of course there is the possibility that Girardi will NOT resign here for 5 mil. For 6 or above, you have to pass on that.

Passing on that AND losing him to free agency is terrible mismanagement for a club who's cupboards are not exactly stocked full at this point. Sather or Gordon dropped the ball on that last year when they failed to get a first rounder back in the Gaborik deal. Team also didn't have a 2nd.

Callahan at the deadline could help restock the cupboards bigtime. Both of them on the trade market could create a bit of a frenzy.

Unfortunately even with a decade of mediocrity I don't think Sather will ever be a seller. Pretty sad. I used to consider myself Glens only fan, however my loyalty is fading!
 
backofthefridge said:
that's not the point. the goal is to win the stanley cup. this is done by building a team that can contend over a stretch of several years. a team at .500 (or marginally above .500 as you believe) isn't a contender. call a spade a spade. trade girardi and callahan for prospects and picks unless they take a significant hometown discount. invest in the future.
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Right, I just had to get that off my chest. I know we haven't been good no matter what winning % you use.
 
Honestly, I'd do Del Z and Brassard fo just Kadri at this point. Who cares about "making the Leafs" better for four months? Del Z at most would get either a third liner or a young prospect who will become a third liner by himself as his value continues to plummet, and Brassard who I do like is a glorified rental this year because no team will match his QO.

You have a chance to buy low on Kadri and get him for next 5-6 years, solidify the middle, AND spend money in other areas once Richards is bought out with four centers Stepan, Kadri, Miller, Lindberg. Sign me up.

For Girardi, DO NOT do what the Mets did with Reyes. I don't care how close this team is to a playoff spot. They have issues resigning him, trade him. Do not let him walk. I'd seriously see if Anaheim would move two of Silfverberg, Smith-Pelley, or Vatannan (doubtful) for G or even a team like Tampa. They wanna contend? See if they'll give up Gudas.

As for UFAs, it's not always about finding the most expensive piece. Ruslan Fedatenko and Vinny Prospal were two of the best UFAs brought over in the last decade. Ditto with Nylander. Mason Raymond should have been here too.

Losing Girardi will STINK. Absolutely stink, but so is paying him $6+ million for the next seven years. You can always take a chance and sign someone like a Raphael Diaz, Clayton Stoner, or Nikita Nikkitin for much less and half the years and hope they fit AV's system to a tee.
 
Sather can hit a real home run unloading these guys. The Devils had a career year from Tom Kurvers in 1989 but signed Fetisov, Reijo and saw Weinrich and Driver emerge. So Lou traded Kurvers to the leafs in early 1989 because Ballard was fuming and Clint Smith was a new GM with an 0-4 start.

The trade was Kurvers for a 1st in the 1991 draft. Worst trade in NHL history when you consider Lindros, Niedermayer and Forsberg were all consensus top-5 even in 1989.

Kurvers hated Canada. He wanted to play in the US. The Leafs sucked and Niedermayer is one of the greatest defensemen ever produced by Canada.

Brodeur, Niedermayer and Rolston for nothing in just two drafts.

Trade Callahan. Trade Girardi. Trade Staal. Trade Boyle. Forget the glory dynasty of 2012. That ish is dead.
 
Look at the Pejorative Slured money Clarkson got.

Detroit bombed with Weiss. Booooooooombed.

Avoid UFAs. Get NHL ready kids. Chiarelli is a genius. Trades Seguin for Eriksson and the best return of that trade was considered a throw in.
 
GWOW said:
Sather can hit a real home run unloading these guys. The Devils had a career year from Tom Kurvers in 1989 but signed Fetisov, Reijo and saw Weinrich and Driver emerge. So Lou traded Kurvers to the leafs in early 1989 because Ballard was fuming and Clint Smith was a new GM with an 0-4 start.

The trade was Kurvers for a 1st in the 1991 draft. Worst trade in NHL history when you consider Lindros, Niedermayer and Forsberg were all consensus top-5 even in 1989.

Kurvers hated Canada. He wanted to play in the US. The Leafs sucked and Niedermayer is one of the greatest defensemen ever produced by Canada.

Brodeur, Niedermayer and Rolston for nothing in just two drafts.

Trade Callahan. Trade Girardi. Trade Staal. Trade Boyle. Forget the glory dynasty of 2012. That ish is dead.
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I agree with this. So much nostalgia for a team that would very unlikely repeat what they had. Gaborik and Richards fell off a cliff. Girardi had a career year in 11-12. MDZ probably did too. Dubi and Anisimov are good depth, but they wouldn't propel us to anything. We barely got one round further than we did last year. I would be shocked if last year the Rangers made it any further than they did and likely the same script would have played out.
 
Gotta wonder if a deal could be had with Nashville? Weren't the Rangers all over Weber as a RFA? His contract is enormous, however if Girardi bolts the club is stuck with Stralman as its top RD.

Could a deal revolving around Nash for Weber get done? Cap hits are nearly identical, however Weber is getting paid big money in the early years of the contract. I believe 13 mil or so for the next 3 years. Nashville would save money.

McDonagh/Weber. Hmmmm. Potential for the best top pairing in the game today.
 
SnowblindNYR said:
Huge Pet Peeve of mine. The Rangers rarely lose in OT. I can't understand counting a shootout loss the same as a regulation loss. It's ridiculous to me. OT loss, I can understand (though 4 on 4 hockey also is a slight gimmick). A shootout is a skill competition. If you want to use it to decide games because you hate ties go ahead (you can argue it, but I can see this point of view). However, a team is 20-10-10 and 10 losses came in a skill competition is NOT the same as a team that's 20-20, I'm sorry it's just not.
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There is something irritating about constantly worrying about the Devils in the standings when seemingly all they do better is lose more slowly
 
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