Speculation: Trade Rumors/Speculation Part X: Sather Falls Asleep on the Phone

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Huge Pet Peeve of mine. The Rangers rarely lose in OT. I can't understand counting a shootout loss the same as a regulation loss. It's ridiculous to me. OT loss, I can understand (though 4 on 4 hockey also is a slight gimmick). A shootout is a skill competition. If you want to use it to decide games because you hate ties go ahead (you can argue it, but I can see this point of view). However, a team is 20-10-10 and 10 losses came in a skill competition is NOT the same as a team that's 20-20, I'm sorry it's just not.

It's bad joke. Make a regulation win worth 3 points and everything is instantly better because no teams will WANT to get to the shootout. Changes the whole dynamic and regular season games become more exciting too, especially within conf/div.
 
Defensively Moore and Del Zotto are similar. Offensively, Moore is superior.

Edit: I must say this. Del Zotto makes many mistakes defensively, but I find that the majority of the mistakes he makes are boneheaded plays that don't really disrupt the rhythm of the team. Moore, and players like McDonough and Girardi seem to make fatal errors - meaning the errors they make in the game kill momentum, surprise even the opposing team's players by how bad the mistakes are, and usually deflate the team. McDonough and Girardi may not make as many of these fatal mistakes but when they do... they're debilitating to the team.
 
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Bouwmeester got a late 1st, Cundari and Berra.

I can't think of another comparable but Toronto's 1st is going to be higher than St. Louis' 1st and Berra + Cundari wouldn't land Kadri in a million years.

Bowmeester with a 6.7 mill cap hit, now 5.4 mill. Bowmeesters play with Calgary had also slipped by the year that they traded him. Reduced leverage.
 
A.) he handles the puck like a grenade

B.) the Rangers never have the puck when he's on the ice

C.) let's see him break double digits in points first

Get rid of them both? :dunno:

I don't like either. But in my opinion, Del Zotto doesn't do anything for the team offensively or defensively. Moore can at least provide a spark offensively.
 
Sather can hit a real home run unloading these guys. The Devils had a career year from Tom Kurvers in 1989 but signed Fetisov, Reijo and saw Weinrich and Driver emerge. So Lou traded Kurvers to the leafs in early 1989 because Ballard was fuming and Clint Smith was a new GM with an 0-4 start.

The trade was Kurvers for a 1st in the 1991 draft. Worst trade in NHL history when you consider Lindros, Niedermayer and Forsberg were all consensus top-5 even in 1989.

Kurvers hated Canada. He wanted to play in the US. The Leafs sucked and Niedermayer is one of the greatest defensemen ever produced by Canada.

Brodeur, Niedermayer and Rolston for nothing in just two drafts.

Trade Callahan. Trade Girardi. Trade Staal. Trade Boyle. Forget the glory dynasty of 2012. That ish is dead.

Could not agree more.

Callahan misses 6 weeks every season because of injury. Giving him a 5-8 year contract worth anymore than 4-4.5M per year would be insanity/stupidity. Girardi a bad fit here under Vigneault. Staal has had injury issues the last two years, plus he's probably heading to Carolina when he becomes a UFA. If you can somehow get something of worth for Nash, trade him too. Maximize their values. This is asset management.

The only untouchables would be McDonagh, Lundqvist (I'd trade him, I said that before he signed the extension, but his new contract makes that a moot point and probably untradeable at this point anyway) and Kreider. Stepan is close to being untouchable (if Malkin or Crosby were coming here, Stepan is a Penguin). Hagelin could be had for the right deal. The rest of the roster, give me your best offer.

The current roster as constituted isn't going anywhere in terms of competing for a Stanley Cup. Signing a bunch of UFA's for the most part hasn't worked. Trading for stars hasn't worked out any better. Time to pick this team apart and start over. A completely rebuild, not the half-assed effort just prior to the 2004-2005 lockout. Unfortunately, with Sather running things, this will never happen. You build through the draft, then supplement the homegrown with a piece or two that put you over the top. To continue how they are, they'll always be the forever .500's. Never good enough to win a Cup, but never bad enough to get a top 3 draft pick. No draft picks are guaranteed to turn into all stars, but that direction would be better than the direction this organization has gone in for the last 75-80 years.
 
Defensively Moore and Del Zotto are similar. Offensively, Moore is superior.

That "superior" offensive player has a career high of 7 points. The "inferior" player tends to put up more points in an average season than Moore has in his career. Your statement is nothing more than wishful thinking, because it has zero basis in fact.
 
I think some people confuse Moore's skating ability with being able to contribute offensively. He's tentative with the puck and his shot is usually a soft wrister into the goalie's logo, his offense definitely leaves much to be desired.
 
You focus an awful lot on what Moore has over Del Zotto (a couple of months of age? Really? You are reaching here). Yet you conveniently ignore the biggest difference between them. Production. Del Zotto generally scores more in a year than Moore has scored in his career. MDZ had proven, in three different seasons, that he can be a point-producing D in this league. He's gotten Norris votes in the past. Has Moore ever even won the Broadway Hat?

Again, I think the issues are primarily twofold. First, MDZ can't play on the right. His skating issues, which aren't that noticeable on the left, are magnified on the right. Second, MDZ (and Moore, and Girardi, and ESPECIALLY Staal) seems to have a bit of trouble with the man to man defense that AV loves. Before dismantling a top group of defensemen for peanuts, I think it would make more sense to try implementing a zone again. I won't argue that DZ isn't struggling. He is. That's not my point. My point is that every other defenseman (except for McD and to a lesser extent Stralman) is struggling just as much (Girardi) or even more (Staal and Moore) than MDZ. The magnifying glass is on MDZ right now because AV loves Moore for some reason, but the second MDZ is gone, you can be sure that the other guys on this list will start getting the same treatment.

This team really has ONE thing going for it--defense. Some of you are just too quick to give that away in my opinion (particularly when we struggle to score and, when used properly, DZ is our best offensive threat from the back).


If you consider DZ a legit Norris trophy contender--I don't know what to tell you. Believe it as much as you want--he's never going to sniff it. Last year he had a so-so season. This year he's been poor. Don't believe me--Duguay said it himself between the first and second periods tonight. He's not getting better--he's getting worse. His coach doesn't like him--I'll agree--that doesn't help a guy who has always seemed to have confidence issues. Plays him on the wrong side. I agree--that's ****ed up too. IMO Moore is better on the right than DZ and when pairing them together Moore should be on the right. There's **** that AV does that I really don't get. But again to DZ he's not getting better. To be honest Allen in his two games looked better than DZ has all season. Staal back in the lineup tonight--looked really good. That doesn't improve DZ's chances on the left either. Noticed anyhow that you didn't argue that he had a **** game against TB--with Staal and Stralman coming back into the lineup who did you think they were going to scratch?
 
looks like gleason might be traded imminently. how much more value does G have than gleason? could find out how the trade market looks this year very soon.
 
So......Dion just signed for 7 years at 7mill.........whats that going to equate to for Danny G?
 
looks like gleason might be traded imminently. how much more value does G have than gleason? could find out how the trade market looks this year very soon.

I don't know much about Gleason but this Art Carney kid looks pretty good right now. We might wanna think about moving up in the draft for him.
 
MDZ is twice the hockey player J.Moore is IMO.

J.Moore doesn't suck hes just struggling a bit and will come out of it. MDZ should have more value in a deal and hasn't put up the offense the team needed. Time to move on but they cant give him away
 
Fun fact:

MDZ: 32 GP - 7 points
Moore: 39 GP - 7 points

Yeah, Moore is better offensively for sure

...Grond, pls...

I think both of them are sucking horribly, equally. I still think DZ has a shred of intelligence on the ice left, though. I feel like Moore is more of a bust status than a declined player.
 
One of Del Zotto's major functions as part of the Rangers defense corps is to lead the offense. He's supposed to be the pwp qb. He's had this job since his rookie year. Like Moore or not--he's never been expected to be the Rangers main offensive producer on their defense. Del Zotto barely outscored McDonagh last year and Del Zotto got tons of pwp time and McDonagh almost none. This year McDonagh's taken over Del Zotto's most important role on the team and Ryan has run with it. This is a problem for a smaller--offensive oriented D who's average defensively. McDonagh is going at a pro-rated 46 point season--a modest increase from Del Zotto's best ever offensive year. Del Zotto is so far behind McDonagh's 23 points it's not even funny. Del Zotto's even behind Dan Girardi--the stay at home guy. Girardi--10 points now--Del Zotto 7. There's some reason to believe that McDonagh is more likely to hit 50 points than 40--for one thing McDonagh has less problem getting shots on goal than DZ. He's capable of finding seams easier as well.

Moore is not by any stretch DZ's biggest problem getting ice time--Ryan McDonagh is his No. 1 problem and now that he's back Marc Staal will be his No. 2 problem.
 
What Moore has over Del Zotto is skating ability and it's somethign the Rangers really have been looking for in their D. Del Zotto's skating is pretty much average unless he has a chance to wind up and skate it straight ahead. My feeling would be that the Rangers are hoping they can mold Moore into McDonagh light and don't feel that Del Zotto has that upside and his skating will hold him back in that regard
 
The problem Del Zotto has is that for someone who is considered to be an offensive defenseman he is not all that good offensively. Not good at handling passes, doesn't shoot well, and bad on the PP. Good at making stretch passes and occasionally rushing the puck down the ice. McDonagh is basically better at everything Del Zotto does offensively while not even considered an offensive defenseman and obviously there is no comparison defensively.
 
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