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Thirty One
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That's what Carlyle and Nonis said religiously at the beginning of this year too.Pshh, what the hell does he know?
JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK
Twenty f*ckin years
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That being said, I'd rather keep Hagelin. I think this team needs to build around speed - they have it in Kreider, Miller, McDonagh, and Hagelin, with Fast and Skjei on the way.
Thirty One
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JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK
Twenty f*ckin years
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Ail
Based and Rangerspilled.
I don't disagree, but what makes you think management is going to start moving these players and tearing it down in order to retool? They're not. They'll over pay who they need to to remain a mediocre team who can make the playoffs, trade one or two players for more crap and keep right on rolling.
I would be shocked and humbled if they did the right thing going forward.
I would probably look at Staal and Hagelin. Natrually you gotta time a Staal trade so that he isn't coming right back from a concussion...
Savant
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Pshh, what the hell does he know?
"They want you to cook the dinner; at least they ought to let you shop for some of the groceries."
My personal favorite.
That OTT rumor better be horse manure. Hagelins missed a month and leads the team in goals as a third liner, and is a puck possession beast.
DZ should be leveraged into an upgrade, to fill team needs. That deal is wishful thinking by OTT.
OTT needs to move money off their team, and don't seem to mind paying premiums.
I will bet you if there is a team that takes on Brassard, it'll be OTT. If the Rangers do a 2 for 3 trade then it should be to a buyer at the deadline. However, dance partners are hard to find, and this Ranger team needs a shake up in a bad way.
From the Ranger perspective, if they are trading the best player in the deal, the Rangers better get assurances and a premium in return. A lateral move for an organization that doesn't have premium chips to trade is a stop gap for a bigger wound down the line.
I think the Rangers should look to make trades with WPG, MIN, and CHI. Both as sellers and buyers.
MIN needs a number 3 and 4 defenseman, and they have a stocked up farm and a desire to make moves. If a DZ+Brassard package, gets an NHL player plus Zucker and Dumba...
Boyle to Chicago to replace Handzus. Grab one of CHI's prospects in Rockford. Danault, or McNeil. Throw in a pick with Boyle to get it done. Let Boyler play for a winning team and cash out. Guy has given you his all, and if you aren't going to sign him, then be fair to the athlete and give him a chance to win. He's a good guy, and a valuable asset. Don't just throw him away.
DZ should be leveraged into an upgrade, to fill team needs. That deal is wishful thinking by OTT.
OTT needs to move money off their team, and don't seem to mind paying premiums.
I will bet you if there is a team that takes on Brassard, it'll be OTT. If the Rangers do a 2 for 3 trade then it should be to a buyer at the deadline. However, dance partners are hard to find, and this Ranger team needs a shake up in a bad way.
From the Ranger perspective, if they are trading the best player in the deal, the Rangers better get assurances and a premium in return. A lateral move for an organization that doesn't have premium chips to trade is a stop gap for a bigger wound down the line.
I think the Rangers should look to make trades with WPG, MIN, and CHI. Both as sellers and buyers.
MIN needs a number 3 and 4 defenseman, and they have a stocked up farm and a desire to make moves. If a DZ+Brassard package, gets an NHL player plus Zucker and Dumba...
Boyle to Chicago to replace Handzus. Grab one of CHI's prospects in Rockford. Danault, or McNeil. Throw in a pick with Boyle to get it done. Let Boyler play for a winning team and cash out. Guy has given you his all, and if you aren't going to sign him, then be fair to the athlete and give him a chance to win. He's a good guy, and a valuable asset. Don't just throw him away.
eco's bones
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Brassard and DZ are both RFA's this summer.
Brassard's qualifying offer will be $3.7 mil. Del Zotto's will be $2.9 mil. Brassard is a 2nd-3rd line tweener and on the soft side. DZ is an offensive bottom pairing d-man when the defense is healthy who is not contributing much offense. That's too much $ for what either is bringing. It makes their situations much different from the other RFA's--Kreider, Zuccarello, John Moore and Falk. If either Brassard or Del Zotto go to arbitration we could be on the hook for a lot more or faced with cutting them loose for nothing.
Brassard's qualifying offer will be $3.7 mil. Del Zotto's will be $2.9 mil. Brassard is a 2nd-3rd line tweener and on the soft side. DZ is an offensive bottom pairing d-man when the defense is healthy who is not contributing much offense. That's too much $ for what either is bringing. It makes their situations much different from the other RFA's--Kreider, Zuccarello, John Moore and Falk. If either Brassard or Del Zotto go to arbitration we could be on the hook for a lot more or faced with cutting them loose for nothing.
eco's bones
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I'd prefer to think that Hagelin is not going anywhere. He's signed next year to a very reasonable contract for what he brings. The Rangers need his speed and smarts.
What???
You don't make a move to dump someone. You think we can trade Pyatt and co and fill the holes we have in the lineup with the return?
I like Hagelin. But so does other teams. Everyone looking for "speed" will be interested. Other teams will like his contract too.
From my point of view, we know how to forecheck. We don't have a blueline that can move the puck, we literary lack firepower. Both upfront and on the blueline. You gotta give up something to get that. Hags could be one option that other teams would value a lot.
eco's bones
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Who the hell mentioned Pyatt? He is done.
Other teams looking for speed? What about our team? We have enough speed or something? Are you serious? A 3rd liner who can play 2nd line at times with crazy speed and forechecking is a keeper on this team, youre out of your mind.
This team doesnt forecheck enough and we do lack firepower, trading Hagelin doesnt help that lack of firepower does it? No matter what you THINK he will bring back. I agree that we need a PMD, but does that mean Hagelin needs to be moved for it? No. Other things can be done to bring in a PMD but not at the expense of a guy like Hagelin, i think we can use another Hagelin on this team to be honest.
Yeah, I agree for sure. A LD stay at home D. Greening who is a bit of a PF but who I never really has noticed at least. And Stone who might be bit of a wild card, but still unproven.
Not what I would look for, but I do t know thoose players that well...
Zynbanejad
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Trading Hagelin would be equaivalent to us trading Korpikoski a few years ago. I will be livid if they trade him.
With Richards destined to be bough out I'd rather keep Brassard unless we get a good center back. And Brassard has been more consistent than Stepan this season IMO.
Thirty One
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Samuel Culper III
Mr. Woodhull...
Good comparison. And Hagelin has proven more as a Ranger as well. Hagelin is the kind of player it only makes sense to move if you're trying to package him in a deal with something like MDZ, Brassard and a pick for a guy like Ryan, Zibanejad or E. Kane. It makes no sense to move Hags in a quantity for quantity deal.
eco's bones
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I agree that it might be better to bite the bullet on the one contract--on both his and DZ's? No.
Whatever right now--it's really hard to say what this team is going to look like next year. Lundqvist and Stepan I'm a lot more willing to give a pass for underachieving. Players sometimes have off years--when they start putting off years together then it's time to think about cutting bait. Nash has been another underachiever. If anything Richards has been good but his contract is awful and his time as a productive player seems very limited.
TollefsenFan
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How about Nash for Jordan Staal. Jordan Staal is a big center With an okey point Production, while Nash just makes his linemates worse and worse. Carolina would prob go for the trade because Nash is a "star" and all that.
M.Staal and Mdz for Ehrhoff.
I would love to see this lineuo
Kreider - Stepan - Zucc
Hagelin - J.Staal - Callahan
Richards - Miller - Poo
Dorsett - Boyle - Powe
Mcd - Girardi
Strålman - Ehrhoff
Moore - Falk
Hank
Talbot
M.Staal and Mdz for Ehrhoff.
I would love to see this lineuo
Kreider - Stepan - Zucc
Hagelin - J.Staal - Callahan
Richards - Miller - Poo
Dorsett - Boyle - Powe
Mcd - Girardi
Strålman - Ehrhoff
Moore - Falk
Hank
Talbot
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