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Speculation: Trade Rumors/Speculation Part IX: Dubinsky, Rozsival and a 2nd

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Well if Nash goes in a package for both Staal forwards I think about it . That would be rather insane though
 
Did Nash lose his NMC after the trade?

2nd time his name has come up this year. Maybe NY isn't what he thought it would be.
 
Mikos87 said:
Did Nash lose his NMC after the trade?

2nd time his name has come up this year. Maybe NY isn't what he thought it would be.
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I would imagine a condition of waiving it was that the Rangers wrote it back in, but it's possible.
 
Trxjw said:
I don't think that deal is necessarily as bad as most seem to think it is. You can really tell a lot of people around here haven't seen much of Methot.
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Marc Methot??????

Methot wont create much offense. Girardi wont create offense cause he cant even hit the net. McD is better than Girardi but still not a very skilled offensive D. Strålman is like Girardi. Falk is just bad offensivly. MDZ looks lost. Moore takes risks that sometimes lead to bad turnovers. So a guy like Methot wont change anything. We allrdy got alot of players like him.

We need to sign players that can make us a contender.
 
BrianBoyle said:
I don't think Kassian would be a bad addition at all. Add some nastiness to our butter soft lineup. And he's right handed, always an incentive.
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He is a product of the Sedins, after 5 games with them last season he had 5 goals. he had 2 goals for the rest of the season.

In all of my time watching Canucks games the conclusions that I came too are: He isn't even that nasty of a player he really just disappears and one would forget he is playing.
 
-31- said:
I would imagine a condition of waiving it was that the Rangers wrote it back in, but it's possible.
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Perhaps. The Heatley contract had a clause where his NMC was nullified after the trade to SJ. Sharks were worried about his contract being an albatross for the entire duration. Heatley gave them 2 years before going all Jonathan Cheechoo on them. Smart foresight out of SJ to realize potential scenario in advance.
 
Mikos87 said:
Perhaps. The Heatley contract had a clause where his NMC was nullified after the trade to SJ. Sharks were worried about his contract being an albatross for the entire duration. Heatley gave them 2 years before going all Jonathan Cheechoo on them. Smart foresight out of SJ to realize potential scenario in advance.
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Yeah, once you waive a NTC/NMC it's gone, but the new team can write a new one in.
 
As good as Nash CAN be, I'd like to explore the option of moving him. His contract is monstrous for what he has been bringing to the table, and I'd be interested in what he could potentially return.

Maybe it's just me, but he just seems quiet and lacking some self-motivation. I realize concussions can change an approach to the game, but if the option is there, I'd be interested in seeing what's out there.

When I see him on the ice, I see a guy who's just trying to do a lot on his own and going for the fancy play instead of making a pass. Brassard is the opposite--a real pass-first guy to the point of intense frustration.
 
Lion Hound said:
I would take Kassian all day long. Physical power forward who can play the game eventually in a top 6 role. Players like him are hybrids. Where he tops out Is uncertain but physical forwards like him are worth thier weight in gold when it comes to grinding playoff runs.

Back to Hagelin. I see him as equal worth as Marchand in Boston. Tradeable? Certainly...But the Ott rumored return is mismanagement of assets.

Plus, Methot is a left defenseman. While I think he is a tremendous player, all signs are pointing to a Marc Staal return. McDonagh, Staal, Methot is complete overload on the left side. Methot is certainly top 4. Methot addition I'm guessing would mean the Rangers would try him on the Right side or...Marc Staal I'm guessing would be a goner.

For the record. Callahan, Staal and DelZotto I see as this organizations biggest trading pieces.

Cally because Glen is just not good with the checkbook. Callahan has yet to recieve the big payday. He's going to get it, whether that is here in NY or elsewhere in the open market. A good GM has to see the writing on the wall here. Come playoff time there will be teams that will pay big for his services. Bidding should start with 1st rounder plus prospect or legit role player.

If Methot is in a deal for MDZ he solidifies the top two LD. That leaves Staal as the next trading piece to land either a top RD or top forward. I guess a lot hinges on his return from concussionville! I do believe Staal is very tradeable. Manageable contract. Good size. Can Skate. Teams will have interest.

Glen has options now. If he waits, he's going to back himself in a corner.
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Methot played on the same London team with Dan Girardi that won the Memorial Cup. They are similar styled players. Methot is a little bit bigger. He's a really good player. Agree that Staal would be a goner if Methot became a Ranger. I think the Rangers would have to already have an idea what they could get for Staal before making this deal. Greening has not done a lot the past two seasons. Good skater but….If Stone were ready to go without any question.

Anyway I think the Rangers could do better. Dealing DZ + (depending on the +) for Methot wouldn't bother me a lot. IMO DZ's been an underachiever and with a substantial contract negotiation coming up. Hagelin IMO is not an underachiever and gives the team a lot of speed. I'd much rather get rid of guys that aren't bringing it than those who are.

Agree again of Zack Kassian. In his draft year the two guys I wanted most were Kassian and Kreider. I think Chris has leapfrogged Zack this year but Zack is a legit power forward candidate and if he gets his game together at least enough to score 40 points a year and not take so many needless penalties he'll be a monster. He can hit and he's willing and he can fight.
 
Lion Hound said:
I would take Kassian all day long. Physical power forward who can play the game eventually in a top 6 role. Players like him are hybrids. Where he tops out Is uncertain but physical forwards like him are worth thier weight in gold when it comes to grinding playoff runs.

Back to Hagelin. I see him as equal worth as Marchand in Boston. Tradeable? Certainly...But the Ott rumored return is mismanagement of assets.

Plus, Methot is a left defenseman. While I think he is a tremendous player, all signs are pointing to a Marc Staal return. McDonagh, Staal, Methot is complete overload on the left side. Methot is certainly top 4. Methot addition I'm guessing would mean the Rangers would try him on the Right side or...Marc Staal I'm guessing would be a goner.

For the record. Callahan, Staal and DelZotto I see as this organizations biggest trading pieces.

Cally because Glen is just not good with the checkbook. Callahan has yet to recieve the big payday. He's going to get it, whether that is here in NY or elsewhere in the open market. A good GM has to see the writing on the wall here. Come playoff time there will be teams that will pay big for his services. Bidding should start with 1st rounder plus prospect or legit role player.

If Methot is in a deal for MDZ he solidifies the top two LD. That leaves Staal as the next trading piece to land either a top RD or top forward. I guess a lot hinges on his return from concussionville! I do believe Staal is very tradeable. Manageable contract. Good size. Can Skate. Teams will have interest.

Glen has options now. If he waits, he's going to back himself in a corner.
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Methot played on the same London team with Dan Girardi that won the Memorial Cup. They are similar styled players. Methot is a little bit bigger. He's a really good player. Agree that Staal would be a goner if Methot became a Ranger. I think the Rangers would have to already have an idea what they could get for Staal before making this deal. Greening has not done a lot the past two seasons. Good skater but….If Stone were ready to go without any question.

Anyway I think the Rangers could do better. Dealing DZ + (depending on the +) for Methot wouldn't bother me a lot. IMO DZ's been an underachiever and with a substantial contract negotiation coming up. Hagelin IMO is not an underachiever and gives the team a lot of speed. I'd much rather get rid of guys that aren't bringing it than those who are.

Agree again of Zack Kassian. In his draft year the two guys I wanted most were Kassian and Kreider. I think Chris has leapfrogged Zack this year but Zack is a legit power forward candidate and if he gets his game together at least enough to score 40 points a year and not take so many needless penalties he'll be a monster. He can hit and he's willing and he can fight.
 
Hm. The only package I'd trade Nash for is a legit RHD top-4. A 'pretty sure, can't miss' prospect with size (forward), and a 1st round pick.

Can we get that for Nash? Probably not. That's the only way I'd consider moving him though.

Have to stay patient with the big guy.
 
OnlyRevolutions said:
Maybe it's just me, but he just seems quiet and lacking some self-motivation. I realize concussions can change an approach to the game, but if the option is there, I'd be interested in seeing what's out there.
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Truth be told he is the only asset the Rangers have where trading him can be a franchise altering one where the Rangers gain premiums that they will never get with other players.

Last year it seemed Torts got a lot out of him before he disappeared at the end of the season. Nash's current out put and effort has been lacking since the playoff began.

However I thought he displayed leadership this year stepping up against Hanzal and Ovechkin even with his head trauma. No one on this soft team backed him up. After the Ovechkin engagement where no one followed up Nash, it seems like he's been persona non grata, even getting booed on his "power forward" moves at the garden.

He's a guy that doesn't have any back up, nor does he go all in.
 
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Why would it be a mistake to trade Hagelin for a minimal upgrade?
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because grand scheme it's not going to help us all that much.

we get what an additional 3-5 goals and 10-12 points?

to me that's not worth moving Hagelin for,

He's such an underrated player. Plays equally well defensively as he does offensively and if you are building a team you want multiple Hagelin's not just one.
 
pld459666 said:
because grand scheme it's not going to help us all that much.

we get what an additional 3-5 goals and 10-12 points?

to me that's not worth moving Hagelin for,

He's such an underrated player. Plays equally well defensively as he does offensively and if you are building a team you want multiple Hagelin's not just one.
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Hagelin isn't an easy player to replace. Not too many guys in the league can do what he does, can't blame other teams for wanting him.
 
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