We already have 2 young, big puck moving defensemen and both are better than Erixon. Pointless trade.
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We already have 2 young, big puck moving defensemen and both are better than Erixon. Pointless trade.
GoSensGo6172
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It rarely happens anymore. In fact, you could say the peak of popularity with social media over the last 5-6 years has made trades more complicated for GM's. A lot of the time (especially at the trade deadline) teams will use the media and the rumors to their advantage to drive up the price on deals. GM's could be close to a deal, but then when they realize the deal got leaked, things fall apart.
GM's have figured out over the years how to get around the media and the rumors and let as little information get out as possible.
Trades during the season are almost non-existent now.
GoSensGo6172
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Are you sure you're not thinking of someone else? Tim Erixon is 6'2 (smaller than me lol) and if we got him would be the second shortest d-man after Karlsson.
Not only that, but that is gross overpayment. Why exactly are we giving up a young roster player AND one of our better prospects for a guy that was drafted four years ago and has played 50 games in the NHL? In those 50 games......not a single goal and just 7 assists.
For comparison sake.....Gryba also has 50 games of NHL experience and has 3 goals and 9 pts. They play complete opposite styles, and Erixon is supposed to be the one that puts up points.
Just an awful proposal. Admit it, you don't know much about Erixon and didn't bother to check his stats.
Okay, Okay, I admit it?
I've actually watched Erixon play and I don't just look at stats to make assumptions.
Also, if you even bothered to look at his numbers you would have seen that he's put up 3 goals 13 assists = 16 points in just 14 games in the AHL this season.
And your Gryba comparisons is just ridiculous. Your comparing a 25 year old defenceman who was drafted in 2006 to a 22 year old defenceman who was drafted in 2009. It took Gryba 6 years to make the NHL draft, yet you point out that Erixon has yet to make the NHL 4 years later? There are ton of great prospects who aren't full-time NHLers yet from the 2009 draft but still have a ton of potential.
I think the proposal is fair. Conacher would have been sent down to the AHL now if he were waiver exempt and I'm not a fan of Puempel.
Nac Mac Feegle
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Man, there's something to be said about this league when a 6-2 defenseman is considered small.
GoSensGo6172
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Your argument is absolutely terrible. Sorry, but Tim Erixon is hovering extremely close to BUST status if he doesn't make an impact this season.
My comparison to Gryba is entirely accurate and went completely over your head. The fact that Gryba was drafted three years earlier and has the same amount of games, the same amount of points and more goals is pretty pathetic for Erixon. You also have to consider that nobody gave a damn that Gryba took 5+ years to crack the NHL because he was taken in the third round, 68th overall. In Erixon's case though....he was a first round pick, 23rd overall so the expectation was that he would have cracked an NHL line up and been contributing by now. And oh wow, he has 16 points in 14 games in the AHL, that's supposed to be impressive? Go look at his stats in the AHL last season, nothing special at all.
And there's a ton of prospects that still have a lot of potential from the 09 draft? Oh is that so bud? You should take a look at this:
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/nhl2009e.html
There are a grand total of five other players from the first round that year that have 50 games of NHL experience or less. Glennie, De Haan, Schroeder, Olsen and Ashton.
Olsen has matched Erixon's production in 13 less games. The only comparable from that year are De Haan who is also widely considered to be approaching bust status and Rundblad who has yet to do a thing at the NHL level.
Defend Erixon all you want by saying you've seen him play and bringing up his AHL stats, the fact is as a first round pick, you're expected to be producing by now. You think something is magically going to click once you're five, six years removed from your draft year? Not usually.
Also, you're forgetting one thing here. Erixon is going to have Johnson, Wiesniewski, Tyutin and Murray ahead of him for quite a while. Unless there's an injury, he's not going to get a chance to be a top 4 d-man.
And what you got against Puempel? He's got 12 points in 25 games in his first full season in Bingo, has a great shot and was taken only two years ago. So you'd defend Erixon, but are so quick to give up on Puempel two years after he was drafted?
I agree that Puempel could be used as trade bait, but the Sens can do a lot better than a project like Erixon
GoSensGo6172
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Yup, you're right. There's definitely been an influx or larger more physical d-men the last few years.
GoSensGo6172
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Go look it up yourself. Most of the d-men drafted in the last few years have been pretty tall. How any smaller d-men are in the league?
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I think Tim Erixon is still pretty highly regarded. I wouldn't give up Puempel and Conacher but then I'm a big Conacher supporter. I'd offer either Puempel or Stone though.
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You'd give up Stone or Puempel but keep the midget Conacher & for Erixon? What the hell has he done in the NHL to deserve either of those guys? NOTHING. I wouldn't give Conacher for that guy & I've been trying to get rid of Conacher all season.
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You'd give up Stone or Puempel but keep the midget Conacher & for Erixon? What the hell has he done in the NHL to deserve either of those guys? NOTHING. I wouldn't give Conacher for that guy & I've been trying to get rid of Conacher all season.
EXACTLY. That was my point from earlier. You don't pay that much for potential, especially for a guy who's had the same potential for four years now and hasn't proved a damn thing.
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GoSensGo6172
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Yea, I'd much rather Del Zotto who has at least proven what he is capable of at the NHL level.
He's struggled the last couple years, but he's got a 40 point season under his belt already.
He's struggled the last couple years, but he's got a 40 point season under his belt already.
Laphroaig
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I think you'll find that Tim Erixon is ranked ahead of Matt Puempel by the Hockey News prospect rankings. We'd be lucky to get him for Puempel.
ReginKarlssonLehner
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Cowen and Ceci are as good a bet as Erixon.
We need a legit bonafide top 3 defender or just wait and develop the guys we have.
We need a legit bonafide top 3 defender or just wait and develop the guys we have.
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Fans underrate Conacher. He has eh most heart of anyone on the team after Neil, and is directly responsible for many goals, which don't show up on the stat sheet for him. He is always or lone presence in front of the net.
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One thing that Ottawa has been lacking in there system is an above average goal scoring spec, what we have an abundance of is puck moving defenceman...how does this deal make any sense? I'm a big fan of peumpel but the only way i would deal peumpel was if there was a deal that actually fit a team need
Do you guys think Chris Stewart or Zack Kassian or Kyle Clifford are available? They would all be decent fits in our bottom six.
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He also hasn't really developed his offensive game yet, so he could just be a bottom six player. Might be best to pass on him even if he is available.
I think we actually have a decent chance at getting a power forward or two this year with all of Hartnell, Simmonds, Kane, Stewart and Clifford potentially being available.
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Here is my plan on how to turn the senators into a great team.
Trade spezza and michalek and a 2016 first to the capitals for alex ovechkin
Re-sign mac and ryan in the offseason
Tank for mcdavid
Trade greening and a 2016 2nd for zybnek michalek
Trade weircioch and gryba for duncan keith
MacArthur-Mcdavid-Ovechkin
Ryan-Turris-Zibanejad
Keith-Karlsson
Methot-Michalek
Trade spezza and michalek and a 2016 first to the capitals for alex ovechkin
Re-sign mac and ryan in the offseason
Tank for mcdavid
Trade greening and a 2016 2nd for zybnek michalek
Trade weircioch and gryba for duncan keith
MacArthur-Mcdavid-Ovechkin
Ryan-Turris-Zibanejad
Keith-Karlsson
Methot-Michalek
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