Proposal: Trade Rumors/Proposals Thread 2013-2014 | Part IV

[HockeySens]

Bruce Garrioch of the Ottawa Sun: Two sources had said that Senators GM Bryan Murray is working the phones trying to find a top four defenseman that would be able to step in right away.

Poor Murray, he is just wasting time on the phones, Melnyk wont give him the money. If BM wasnt constrained this much Im sure he wudve made a trade a long time ago

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

I agree with almost everything RKL said but not the implied Spezza trade.

Making it to the playoffs is one thing but if we want to do damage there we'll need Spezza. Michalek we could do without if he brings a good return. Anderson we could do without if he brings a decent return. But I don't see any way that we trade Spezza and come out a better playoff team this season than we are if we keep him.

And I know, I know, we made it to the second round without him last year. Then what? We were decimated by the Pens. The habs were the softest 2nd seed in years as well.

Yea, I only said deal Spezza if we continue doing poorly and are not in playoff spot, should have worded it better.

 

[Tundraman]

Poor Murray, he is just wasting time on the phones, Melnyk wont give him the money. If BM wasnt constrained this much Im sure he wudve made a trade a long time ago

BM actually indirectly confirmed this. He implied that everyone he talked to wants to shed salary. That means players are available if you have money to spend and the Sens don't because of the Melnyk imposed cap. When asked earlier Melnyk himself chose his words carefully but it's obvious that the only cash he will spend is at the deadline for an expiring contract and only if BM assures him it will probably mean a longer playoff run where the odds are he'd get more than his money back with a couple of additional gates.

 

[Benjamin]

BM actually indirectly confirmed this. He implied that everyone he talked to wants to shed salary. That means players are available if you have money to spend and the Sens don't because of the Melnyk imposed cap. When asked earlier Melnyk himself chose his words carefully but it's obvious that the only cash he will spend is at the deadline for an expiring contract and only if BM assures him it will probably mean a longer playoff run where the odds are he'd get more than his money back with a couple of additional gates.

Jokes on Melnyk because its gonna cost him more in the long run when we miss the playoffs because Murray wasn't allowed to make a trade which may save the team's playoff chance.

 

[Savannah Skunk]

Bobby Mac said on the radio today that "Murray is trying to make a deal and working hard but he has no money to work with. Every dollar that comes in has to come out"

The following is the actual salaries paid to Ottawa players this year:



Realistically, following what Bobo said, the only way we can bring in a top-4 defenseman is to trade away Michalek. Nobody else has a sufficient salary to make a deal, since they're all either in the final years of a front-loaded contract, or in their first years of a back-loaded contract.

God I hate seeing this team, with SO MUCH promise, getting held back by an owner who refuses to make it competitive.

And I can't wait to see Ryan walk in free agency when Melnyk can't pony up the $8mil it would take to keep him.

If Ryan walks because Melnyk won't buck up to pay for an elite superstar that we mortgaged the future on... I will finally toss in the hat on supporting this team. I want to support a team that constantly evolves and grows in order to succeed. In the NHL, you gotta pay to play.

 

[Tampacuseforever]

Please god no. I don't want a small, soft d-man, who has barely played in the past 2 years, on this team.

Not saying it would be great I just think it will end up be along these lines.

 

[Quo]

How much does our average play in a year in which we've signaled that we want to be contenders by dealing our first round pick impact our ability to make decent trade this early into a season?

Money aside, wouldn't we have little to no leverage in any potential negotiations from that perspective as well? Other GM's don't run their clubs like a charity and they're not ignorant of our desperation.

 

[MiscBrah]

How much does our average play in a year in which we've signaled that we want to be contenders by dealing our first round pick impact our ability to make decent trade this early into a season?

Money aside, wouldn't we have little to no leverage in any potential negotiations from that perspective as well? Other GM's don't run their clubs like a charity and they're not ignorant of our desperation.

Other GM's also know that it's likely they won't be this bad all season, if Ottawa has a player they want, now is their chance to make a move on him.

I also don't really see Ottawa as desperate, Edmonton was desperate.

 

[John Holmes*]

Didn't Melnyk just say a few weeks ago that he'd pony up for a move that made sense?

I know you can never take anything that guy says seriously, but still.

 

[GrantLemons]

Didn't Melnyk just say a few weeks ago that he'd pony up for a move that made sense?

I know you can never take anything that guy says seriously, but still.

I remember hearing him say something like "the money is there, *if we need it*".

We need it.

 

[burf]

I remember hearing him say something like "the money is there, *if we need it*".

We need it.

And according to Bob McKenzie, the money definitely isn't there.

 

[OgieO]

As we get closer to missing the playoffs, Eug will have to weigh the costs of an acquisition versus potential lost playoff revenues. Each playoff game brings in, what, $2,000,000? EM has painted himself into a corner with the casino stuff, but at some point the concept of "spend money to make money" has to come into play this season as we are in real danger of missing the playoffs if we keep down this road.

 

[YNWA14]

I wonder what kind of assets we would have to move for a top 5 pick this year.

I know everyone is salivating at the thought of the top 5 next year (for good reason, so much talent in next year's top 10) but I really like Nylander.

If things continue the way they are right now another 'mini-rebuild' may be imminent. This year and next year are two good years to have top 5/10 picks.

 

[4thlineduster]

I wonder what kind of assets we would have to move for a top 5 pick this year.

I know everyone is salivating at the thought of the top 5 next year (for good reason, so much talent in next year's top 10) but I really like Nylander.

If things continue the way they are right now another 'mini-rebuild' may be imminent. This year and next year are two good years to have top 5/10 picks.

Where is this first round pick going to come from?

We gave ours up for Ryan

 

[Dr.Sens(e)]

I wonder what kind of assets we would have to move for a top 5 pick this year.

I know everyone is salivating at the thought of the top 5 next year (for good reason, so much talent in next year's top 10) but I really like Nylander.

If things continue the way they are right now another 'mini-rebuild' may be imminent. This year and next year are two good years to have top 5/10 picks.

It's an interesting question, especially given we have no 1st this year ourselves.

The one piece that MIGHT get us a 1st, would be Anderson. The only thought I have is perhaps the Islanders, early enough in the season to think the lottery pick scenario was not likely, might make the move given they are prone to strange moves at times and have already gambled on Vanek. Perhaps Snow is ready to go all in. the other option is the Oilers, of course, and with MacT equally likely to do a strange move as Snow, perhaps he would move their 1st for Anderson. But given he already moved Smid to make room for Bryzgalov, even he probably realizes that he might not survive such a move, which essentially undermines his previous gamble.

But in the end, I think holding Anderson until the offseason, and moving him for a 1st then makes more sense. Perhaps even move him for a 2015 1st rounder at next draft, which teams might be more likely to do at the draft. From the Sens perspective, unless we are getting a veteran back-up in return (doable), the deal doesn't make much sense this year either, as we can't lean on Lehner with no veteran as back-up.

Z-bad and a few others might get us an early 1st, but that doesn't really make sense at this point either.

 

[God Says No]

Where is this first round pick going to come from?

We gave ours up for Ryan

Yeah, he's asking what we would have to trade from our team to get a top 5 pick. The price would be pretty high I would think.

 

[Clarke]

If Anderson were to fetch a first it would most definitely be a 2014... i doubt he would garner a 2015 in the off season with only a year remaining. And i just don't see anyone giving up a first for a goalie in today's market, especially if Ward and Miller are available (i know different cap and expectations) but in my eyes they're the 2 goalies that will get a first round.

I agree with Z-bad most likely being the cost... and i'll pass on that

 

[Senateurs]

How about sending the Big Rig to be a pylon in oil country?

Can't believe they got rid of Smid for nothing.

 

[koreaboy]

i'd definitely consider doing andy for a 1st. especially one in the top half of the round.

 

[LuckyPierre]

How about sending the Big Rig to be a pylon in oil country?

Can't believe they got rid of Smid for nothing.

Totally. His restaurant is trending up here. Time to expand to Alberta, it practically markets itself.

 

[PeterSidorkiewicz]

How about sending the Big Rig to be a pylon in oil country?

Can't believe they got rid of Smid for nothing.

I think Phillips is fine as a 5/6 guy, if our young guys stepped up like Cowen and Weir it would help push him down the depth chart. Cowens bad play compared to Gonchar last year is a massive blow, he's not filling his shoes.

 

[PoutineSp00nZ]

How about sending the Big Rig to be a pylon in oil country?

Can't believe they got rid of Smid for nothing.

Phillips isn't the player used to be, but he's probably the most reliable guy the Sens have in their own end right now.

He's steady, and the Sens have very little of that right now.

Not sure why they keep putting him on the powerplay though.

 

[PoutineSp00nZ]

I think Phillips is fine as a 5/6 guy, if our young guys stepped up like Cowen and Weir it would help push him down the depth chart. Cowens bad play compared to Gonchar last year is a massive blow, he's not filling his shoes.

I think that's the issue. Maclean has little faith in Cowen and Weir so he uses Phillips more then he should.

Its unfortunate, Murray gambled that both those guys would have big enough years to cover up the hole in the top 4.

 

[Mercurial]

i'd definitely consider doing andy for a 1st. especially one in the top half of the round.

The only team that would likely take him would be a bubble team looking to make the playoffs, which with Andy would then be likely. A bottom 5 team would (should Murray!) not pick up good 'tender and ruin their pick, when they may be able to get the player cheaper in the summer.

 

[PaGEEsBack]

Its unfortunate, Murray gambled that both those guys would have big enough years to cover up the hole in the top 4.

Murray went over budget just to re-sign Cowen. Can't really call it a gamble when it's literally the best he could do.