Proposal: Trade Rumors/Proposals Thread 2013-2014 | Part IV

[Philadelphia Collins]

Some interesting tweets from a guy quoting Bob Mckenzie.

Hope_Smoke @Hope_Smoke
Mckenzie "B Murray is trying to make a deal and working hard but he has no money to work with. Every dollar that comes in has to come out"

Hope_Smoke @Hope_Smoke
McKenzie "now when things go bad people will start to say they're not a cap team. They'll begin to use the budget team point as an excuse"

Hope_Smoke @Hope_Smoke
Mckenzie "people told me that it's been tense and tight from the second camp opened there."

$11mil under the cap and we can't make a trade unless it's dollar for dollar

Thanks for holding this team hostage because of your dumb investments that have nothing to do with the Senators Melnyk

Say what you want about Jeremy Jacobs (he's literally Mr. Burns) but he spends to the cap every season to ice a great hockey team

 

[Super Cake]

Why can't Melnyk just find a partner to help him out?

 

[Patvolcom65]

Melnyk+Greening for a new owner. Please. Would also be willing to add Melnyk CSI team into the offer.

 

[BLONG7]

Why can't Melnyk just find a partner to help him out?

Who would want to be a partner with UGene...

 

[HockeySens]

Wow, this owner

 

[Super Cake]

Who would want to be a partner with UGene...

I guess your right.

 

[WhiteLight*]

And who doesn't get that on these boards ? There are more people on these boards that continually dump on our own players that I find it hard to believe they are fans of the team. Zibanejad is a young player and being a young player on this team right now means you always have to play good or your ... Is glued to the bench. MacLean is just trying to make Zib reach his full potential and not become just another player, he has way to much promise to be just another guy. I don't really agree with Staches message to the young guys this year but he feels differently, it's not a case of not valuing the kid.

Maybe it is just a message being sent, and not undervaluing. But Zib is 1-working harder and 2-playing much better than a ton of guys in the lineup yet is still on the 4th line. Unfair, not a very good message to send imo

zibby gets a ton of credit he is learning the game so yes he will move around it is what young players do. he will be inconsistant like any young player and his icetime will change accordingly

Like I said, he's been better than 80% of the rest of the lineup.

Imagine if Spezza was moving around the lineup from line 2 to 4 all the time. Imagine if Spezza was being played on the wing like Zib is People would be all over that an excuse. I've never hear that excuse for Zib

 

[WhiteLight*]

Some interesting tweets from a guy quoting Bob Mckenzie.

Hope_Smoke @Hope_Smoke
Mckenzie "B Murray is trying to make a deal and working hard but he has no money to work with. Every dollar that comes in has to come out"

Hope_Smoke @Hope_Smoke
McKenzie "now when things go bad people will start to say they're not a cap team. They'll begin to use the budget team point as an excuse"

Hope_Smoke @Hope_Smoke
Mckenzie "people told me that it's been tense and tight from the second camp opened there."

Easy solution is to move Michalek. All the money problems will disappear.


Also, this is Murray's own fault. He overpaid for Cowen (understatement of the year).

 

[Qward]

Easy solution is to move Michalek. All the money problems will disappear.

Tell me who is going to take Michaleks contract.

 

[SenatorsLegionary]

Some interesting tweets from a guy quoting Bob Mckenzie.

Hope_Smoke @Hope_Smoke
Mckenzie "B Murray is trying to make a deal and working hard but he has no money to work with. Every dollar that comes in has to come out"

Hope_Smoke @Hope_Smoke
McKenzie "now when things go bad people will start to say they're not a cap team. They'll begin to use the budget team point as an excuse"

Hope_Smoke @Hope_Smoke
Mckenzie "people told me that it's been tense and tight from the second camp opened there."

Ugh, not good. The thing bothering so much is that we traded our first. In doing that, management/ownership are indicating to the fans that the team is planning to contend. There is no way a team in the 3rd year of a 3 year rebuild trades its first unless this was the case.

Now, nobody could've predicted the results we've seen so far this season. I did not see us having such a bad start, heck, most of the hockey world were picking us to finish top 3 in the division. I dont think anyone saw Greening going from playoff hero to a dud in such a short span or our young guys on defence struggling as much as they have. It was unpredictable. But now, management/ownership have to adjust. The season has not started as planned. You've clearly told the fans that you are planning to contend. The budget roster is not playing up to par. Melnyk has to bite the bullet or the team will suffer in the long-run.

 

[Daffy]

Easy solution is to move Michalek. All the money problems will disappear.


Also, this is Murray's own fault. He overpaid for Cowen (understatement of the year).

Murray is the least to blame. Give your head a shake. We are over 10 million under the cap and Murray can't add a damn thing. It's ridiculous. Frustrating beyond belief.

 

[Philadelphia Collins]

Also, this is Murray's own fault. He overpaid for Cowen (understatement of the year).

having to be $11mil under the cap and still be expected to ice a cup contending team is Murray's fault?

When Cowen signed that contract this summer nobody knew he had regressed as badly as he had, and it was considered a good deal (and who knows, maybe it will be in a year.)

 

[DueDiligence]

Wish Melnyk would just get the ***** out. He is crippling our beloved team. Unless we get a new owner/partner/casino, say goodbye to Bobby Ryan, Jason Spezza, Methot etc in 2 years. Ridiculous.

Well break your piggy bank and buy the team then because I don't see a line of investors waiting to buy the Sens. I love how people whine about why Melnyk should spend lots ( and lose) more of his own money.

 

[Super Cake]

Well break your piggy bank and buy the team then because I don't see a line of investors waiting to buy the Sens. I love how people whine about why Melnyk should spend lots ( and lose) more of his own money.

He is going to lose even more money in the future if the sens keep on playing like this. In fact, if spezza, methot and ryan do walk, i wonder how many sens fans will stick with the team?

I'll stick with the team to the bitter end, but there are going to be fans out there who will leave if negative things happen.

 

[Qward]

The cap is not the problem. It is the hard dollars.

Our cap says $55M but our actual payroll is $51M

 

[Philadelphia Collins]

Well break your piggy bank and buy the team then because I don't see a line of investors waiting to buy the Sens. I love how people whine about why Melnyk should spend lots ( and lose) more of his own money.

Eugene? If this is really you we need to talk about some of your investments....

 

[GimmeMyJetpack]

Seriously guys maybe some of you are too young to remember the whole Rod Bryden fiasco but i'll take a cap crunched team over no team any day of the week. You dont just have to find someone to buy the team you have to find someone to buy the team AND keep them in Ottawa.

I don't hate Melnyk and none of you should. I do hope for a new owner who will to the cap for years and years and keep the Sens in Ottawa. Until then i'll just hope Murray can work magic and Maclean can whip this team into shape.

I would love to see them give young guys a bigger shot. Hello try Pageau with greening and condra again before you completely ruin greening.

 

[Daffy]

Well break your piggy bank and buy the team then because I don't see a line of investors waiting to buy the Sens. I love how people whine about why Melnyk should spend lots ( and lose) more of his own money.

If he would spend more we could easily compete with the big boys. We have the core pieces. By him spending more, he would make more. More fans in the stands, playoffs, hopefully going deep which would equal a ton more revenue, more season tickets etc.

He is an idiot.

 

[DueDiligence]

Murray is the least to blame. Give your head a shake. We are over 10 million under the cap and Murray can't add a damn thing. It's ridiculous. Frustrating beyond belief.

Colorado's is spending less than Ottawa and they are doing just fine!

 

[WhiteLight*]

Murray is the least to blame. Give your head a shake. We are over 10 million under the cap and Murray can't add a damn thing. It's ridiculous. Frustrating beyond belief.

I for one do not want him to sell the future to make the team marginally better with a random over 30 ''top 6 forward'' like Hemsky or something.

I wouldn't want him to ''add'' even if there was money. (I do if it's young NHLers, but they're not available, the Hemsky types are available).

having to be $11mil under the cap and still be expected to ice a cup contending team is Murray's fault?

When Cowen signed that contract this summer nobody knew he had regressed as badly as he had, and it was considered a good deal (and who knows, maybe it will be in a year.)

It's his fault for giving Cowen the bad contract and being over budget. In the summer i said it was a bad contract and that he caved. Cowen had 1 season under his belt and two brutal playoff performances. Was not worth that, not even close.

Leafs had little cap space = Kadri and Franson cave and take less.
Ottawa had lots of cap space = Cowen had crazy high demands and Murray caved in because he thought he had no other top 4 D option (could have signed Gilbert or Hainsey though)

 

[HockeySens]

Dont worry guys, sens will get their PMD and top 6 winger right after Spezza and Ryan decides to walk 2 summers from now

 

[Daffy]

I for one do not want him to sell the future to make the team marginally better with a random over 30 ''top 6 forward'' like Hemsky or something.

I wouldn't want him to ''add'' even if there was money. (I do if it's young NHLers, but they're not available, the Hemsky types are available).



It's his fault for giving Cowen the bad contract and being over budget. In the summer i said it was a bad contract and that he caved. Cowen had 1 season under his belt and two brutal playoff performances. Was not worth that, not even close.

Leafs had little cap space = Kadri and Franson cave and take less.
Ottawa had lots of cap space = Cowen had crazy high demands and Murray caved in because he thought he had no other top 4 D option (could have signed Gilbert or Hainsey though)

Del Zotto etc are available and would be fantastic additions, but I'm more concerned about signing our big guns two years from now. You really think Melnyk will pay what it will require to keep these guys?

 

[GimmeMyJetpack]

I for one do not want him to sell the future to make the team marginally better with a random over 30 ''top 6 forward'' like Hemsky or something.

I wouldn't want him to ''add'' even if there was money. (I do if it's young NHLers, but they're not available, the Hemsky types are available).



It's his fault for giving Cowen the bad contract and being over budget. In the summer i said it was a bad contract and that he caved. Cowen had 1 season under his belt and two brutal playoff performances. Was not worth that, not even close.

Leafs had little cap space = Kadri and Franson cave and take less.
Ottawa had lots of cap space = Cowen had crazy high demands and Murray caved in because he thought he had no other top 4 D option (could have signed Gilbert or Hainsey though)

It's a good thing you can judge an entire contract after 20 games.

 

[DueDiligence]

If he would spend more we could easily compete with the big boys. We have the core pieces. By him spending more, he would make more. More fans in the stands, playoffs, hopefully going deep which would equal a ton more revenue, more season tickets etc.

He is an idiot.

Well he did spend to the cap and there weren't more fans in the stands or playoffs and HE lost lots of money. So if the Sens were paying 5 million to Gonchar this year would they be doing alot better???

 

[WhiteLight*]

Del Zotto etc are available and would be fantastic additions, but I'm more concerned about signing our big guns two years from now. You really think Melnyk will pay what it will require to keep these guys?

We'll see. Probably.


Not a fan of Del Zotto. He's played sheltered minutes his whole career in NYR. Expecting him to come in here and be the answer in the top 4/carry the 2nd pair is asking too much.