Rumor: Trade Rumors/Proposals/Free Agents 2018-2019

[danielpalfredsson]

If Duchene is getting traded my target would be the Islanders, they need another center after losing JT. Would love to get Dobson from them, or to a lesser extent there 2019 1st as it shouldn't be to late.

Probably totally unrealistic but do you think the Habs would give up there first for a signed Duchene?

I think Montreal is apparently taking a patient approach. They draft Kotkaniemi to be their next top C, and with Weber out, they have to know that 1st is probably going to net them another building block type prospect. There are also apparently a lot of Cs near the top end of the draft. I just can't see them doing that.

Dobson for Duchene would be very good, but there's no way that happens without Duchene signing an extension. Even with Duchene signing an extension, that would be very aggressive on the Islanders part depending on how high they had Dobson. It sounds like some teams might have had him higher than where he went.

For an unsigned Duchene, I'd expect something like Pulock or Pelech, a top 10 protected 1st, and a B Prospect Maybe we get one more piece, like a conditional 2nd or 3rd round pick that becomes a 1st if Duchene re-signs.

 

[Boud]

I think Montreal is apparently taking a patient approach. They draft Kotkaniemi to be their next top C, and with Weber out, they have to know that 1st is probably going to net them another building block type prospect. There are also apparently a lot of Cs near the top end of the draft. I just can't see them doing that.

Dobson for Duchene would be very good, but there's no way that happens without Duchene signing an extension. Even with Duchene signing an extension, that would be very aggressive on the Islanders part depending on how high they had Dobson. It sounds like some teams might have had him higher than where he went.

For an unsigned Duchene, I'd expect something like Pulock or Pelech, a top 10 protected 1st, and a B Prospect Maybe we get one more piece, like a conditional 2nd or 3rd round pick that becomes a 1st if Duchene re-signs.

I don't see Duchene being traded to the Isles simply because I don't think he'd be willing to re-sign long term with them and I doubt Lamoriello would want him as a rental given the state of his team, it's not time for them to give picks and prospects away for rentals.

 

[danielpalfredsson]

I don't see Duchene being traded to the Isles simply because I don't think he'd be willing to re-sign long term with them and I doubt Lamoriello would want him as a rental given the state of his team, it's not time for them to give picks and prospects away for rentals.

With his allusions to the Tavares' derby, do you think it's likely he'd want to sign anywhere in a trade?

I think he either extends here, or goes to July 1st. I hope I'm (half) wrong.

 

[danielpalfredsson]

Some interesting stuff from the 31 Thoughts Podcast....

Jeff Marek said he heard Dallas was offering a package that had Hintz, Honka, Shore, and picks, with none of the picks being conditional. He did not go into detail on what the picks were, or if he even knew exactly, but he did say he was surprised at the Sharks offer because he liked Dallas' package better.

Elliott Friedman keeps talking about how much Vegas likes Stone. He mentioned something along the lines that he heard COL may have also been interested, but I'll have to go back and listen later on when I've got some free time. It sounded like something he heard, not his opinion, but listen for yourself. There was some interesting Sens stuff said on the podcast, so I'll try to make a decent write up.

Just my opinion (not said in the podcast), if we're trading Stone to COL, it'd have to be something like Stone for the OTT 1st and a veteran forward. That would give us the freedom to just go all out and burn this to the ground. If we get our pick back, maybe send Ceci to EDM since they apparently want a RHD and I would assume they want him before the season starts so they can come as close as possible to maxing out Sekera's LTIR. If we do get our pick back early on, and it comes at the expense of Stone, we'd have to make sure we're as terrible as possible to ensure we're getting back adequate value for Stone. 4th-5th overall or better for Stone, great...10th-12th overall....no thanks.

 

[CupInSIX]

Some interesting stuff from the 31 Thoughts Podcast....

Jeff Marek said he heard Dallas was offering a package that had Hintz, Honka, Shore, and picks, with none of the picks being conditional. He did not go into detail on what the picks were, or if he even knew exactly, but he did say he was surprised at the Sharks offer because he liked Dallas' package better.

Elliott Friedman keeps talking about how much Vegas likes Stone. He mentioned something along the lines that he heard COL may have also been interested, but I'll have to go back and listen later on when I've got some free time. It sounded like something he heard, not his opinion, but listen for yourself. There was some interesting Sens stuff said on the podcast, so I'll try to make a decent write up.

Just my opinion (not said in the podcast), if we're trading Stone to COL, it'd have to be something like Stone for the OTT 1st and a veteran forward. That would give us the freedom to just go all out and burn this to the ground. If we get our pick back, maybe send Ceci to EDM since they apparently want a RHD and I would assume they want him before the season starts so they can come as close as possible to maxing out Sekera's LTIR. If we do get our pick back early on, and it comes at the expense of Stone, we'd have to make sure we're as terrible as possible to ensure we're getting back adequate value for Stone. 4th-5th overall or better for Stone, great...10th-12th overall....no thanks.

Stone is more of a luxury for Vegas at this point with Glass playing RW next season and possibly even Gusev. Unless it's Tuch going the other way for an extended Stone.

Pierre Lebrun mentioned how teams have to wait until the trade deadline to give new acquisitions the full 8 year term though.

 

[TkachukNorris79]

Another way to get our 1st back is to make it a 3 way trade. Maybe even use Duchene.

Say Duchene to MTL.
Drouin+2nd to COL.
OTT 1st back to OTT.

Or

Duchene to NYI.
Dobson+2nd to COL
OTT 1st back to OTT.

Unrealistic or?

 

[Do Make Say Think]

If I was Sakic there is no way I let go of the OTT 1st rounder. Not even for Stone.

 

[Icelevel]

If I was Sakic there is no way I let go of the OTT 1st rounder. Not even for Stone.

People have to realize, everyone including 30 gms know Dorion is the dumbest on the block. Can get stone for cheap

 

[edguy]

People have to realize, everyone including 30 gms know Dorion is the dumbest on the block. Can get stone for cheap

Stone's a different case then Karlsson. He won't be cheap, because our hand isn't forced. (Or Melnyk hasn't forced his own hand.. yet)

I think there is a pretty clear path for Stone to sign long term and become the new face of the franchise.

They keep talking about getting youth in with the right vets, well Mark Stone is the ideal vet you want in that room.

 

[Pierre from Orleans]

Stone's a different case then Karlsson. He won't be cheap, because our hand isn't forced. (Or Melnyk hasn't forced his own hand.. yet)

I think there is a pretty clear path for Stone to sign long term and become the new face of the franchise.

They keep talking about getting youth in with the right vets, well Mark Stone is the ideal vet you want in that room.

I just have no faith in Dorion when it comes to making trades regardless if there are restraints thrown on him by Melnyk or not

 

[FolignoQuantumLeap]

Stone's a different case then Karlsson. He won't be cheap, because our hand isn't forced. (Or Melnyk hasn't forced his own hand.. yet)

I think there is a pretty clear path for Stone to sign long term and become the new face of the franchise.

They keep talking about getting youth in with the right vets, well Mark Stone is the ideal vet you want in that room.

The path for Stone re-signing is no different than Karlsson. If he's not signed by the trade deadline, I can't see anyway Dorion doesn't trade. Sure feels like that's what we're moving towards. Even moreso than Karlsson this time last year.

 

[Deku]

If I was Sakic there is no way I let go of the OTT 1st rounder. Not even for Stone.

Yeah, I would accept the 1st straight up for Stone at this point, so they would be dumb to give it back to us.

 

[Sensung]

Stone's a different case then Karlsson. He won't be cheap, because our hand isn't forced. (Or Melnyk hasn't forced his own hand.. yet)

I think there is a pretty clear path for Stone to sign long term and become the new face of the franchise.

They keep talking about getting youth in with the right vets, well Mark Stone is the ideal vet you want in that room.

Funny, the Sens had to trade EK in case he got injured, but are happy to let Stone play.

I wonder which player has been more injury prone.

 

[CREW99AW]

If Duchene is getting traded my target would be the Islanders, they need another center after losing JT. Would love to get Dobson from them, or to a lesser extent there 2019 1st as it shouldn't be to late.

Probably totally unrealistic but do you think the Habs would give up there first for a signed Duchene?

Dobson would be a total nonstarter. He has drawn scouts comparisons to Seth Jones and Pietrangelo. Been very impressive in both the prospect camp and training camp.

Coming out of the draft weekend, there was a tweet on the nyi board that Lou had tried getting E Karlsson to agree to an extension with the isles. He wouldn't and isles were out of the EK bidding. That probably was the Sens best chance to land Dobson. The key piece to a package.

Also,with Duchene saying he is intrigued by the Tavares ufa process, I doubt Duchene signs a nyi extension or the isles offer anything of value to rent him.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

He is not elite. Connor McDavid is elite. Stone is very good.

connor McDavid is head nd shoulders ahead of everyone not named Crosby. so if youre not as good as those two youre not an elite forward?

 

[Que]

I can’t believe that we have to add to Mark Stone to get our 1st back.

How bad things can become, oye.

 

[FolignoQuantumLeap]

Imagine if Stone signed as an UFA in Colorado after they get Hughes? They'd be a prime landing spot for him. They'd be a contender with the cap space to pull it off.

 

[TheNewEra]

Duchene to Carolina is a possibility with rask out long term

 

[Que]

Imagine if Stone signed as an UFA in Colorado after they get Hughes? They'd be a prime landing spot for him. They'd be a contender with the cap space to pull it off.

AND Duchene.

Oh. My. Goodness. That’s too perfect.

 

[FolignoQuantumLeap]

AND Duchene.

Oh. My. Goodness. That’s too perfect.

I can't see Duchene ever being welcomed back into that locker room. That ship's likely sailed.

 

[Alf Silfversson]

To:

Bobby Ryan (15% retained)
Cody Ceci
2020 2nd

To :

Brent Seabrook
Marcus Kruger
CHI 2019 1st

 

[PoutineSp00nZ]

With Duchene and Stone more than likely both gone this season, the Sens probably need Ryan's contract to hit the cap floor.

 

[FolignoQuantumLeap]

To:

Bobby Ryan (15% retained)
Cody Ceci
2020 2nd

To :

Brent Seabrook
Marcus Kruger
CHI 2019 1st

Seabrook has 6 more years left, we have to retain on Ryan and all we get is shuffling a pick up 10 spots or so. That's a hard hard pass.

On top of that we gotta trade away maybe one of 2 top 4 guys on the roster. It's just so bad.

 

[Clayonator]

To:

Bobby Ryan (15% retained)
Cody Ceci
2020 2nd

To :

Brent Seabrook
Marcus Kruger
CHI 2019 1st

I would like this now, and if Seabrook had the same term left as Ryan. But with two additional years plus being two years older, in conjunction with the reported RAPID decline in his game, which by all accounts is just as steep as Ryan’s if not moreso....tough call. Then again we offload Ceci as well. So two wrongs out the door makes what comes back in a right in this case...plus the 2019 1st....yeah I’d do it, but no retention from our side. The two additional years of Seabrook counterbalances total cost. Pen to paper, let’s gooooooooooo!

 

[danielpalfredsson]

Seabrook has a NMC, he's not accepting a trade here.

What about...Ryan (half retained) for Zetterberg (insured, very low salary).

Detroit then sends Ryan with another half retained salary to a third team for picks/prospects, and both sides split the loot.

-OTT ends up better financially than in a buyout situation and gets an asset.
-DET moves a big LTIR cap hit when they are in a putrid cap situation. They only take on 1.8M of Ryan's hit.
-3rd team gets Ryan at about 1.8M and gambles on his ability to stay healthy.
-zetterberg helps Ottawa hit the cap floor with almost no real money owed but a big cap hit for three seasons.