Proposal: Trade Rumors/Proposals 2019-20 Part II

[BonkTastic]

Anderson for kerfoot, we retain 1m to balance salary.

I'd make that deal so fast you'd swear I used the gravitational pull of the moon to slingshot myself into low earth orbit.

No idea why Toronto does that deal, though.

 

[TheDebater]

that would be the leafs selling extremely low on kerfoot

I don't see that happening

Also we really do not need another 3rd/4th line center...

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

Leafs will for a guy like Stalock/Campbell/Copley/DeSmith I bet... Anderson is just way too expensive for them.

 

[TheNewEra]

Agreed but they need a reliable backup, if Andersen goes down the price goes up

while they do need a reliable backup which Anderson isn't (at least so far this year) they will most likely trade picks and maybe a contract of a player they are going to throw on waivers anyways to get the job done

not to mention with Marner now on the ir it gives the leafs flexibility to go after a slightly more expensive goalie if needed

if for whatever reason the leafs were interested in Anderson it will probably be something like this

Anderson at 50% for cbj 3rd round pick and a contract (spezza/petan/shore)

 

[TheNewEra]

Also we really do not need another 3rd/4th line center...

kerfoot has decent upside imo and is signed for a while. I would not mind at all if we made a move to get him (depending on cost obviously). I just don't see Toronto giving him up for cheap

 

[Boud]

Anderson for kerfoot, we retain 1m to balance salary.

No reason for Toronto to do that. They need Kerfoot.

 

[danielpalfredsson]

Anderson for kerfoot, we retain 1m to balance salary.

In any Anderson to Toronto trade for Kerfoot, Johnsson, or Kapanen, we'd have to retain half.

All three of those players have signing bonuses that have already been paid. Those bonuses exceed the 2 million in real money that it would cost us to retain half on Anderson. Anderson's half retained cap hit is also lower than any one of those three players cap hits. From a cap vs salary perspective, the Senators and Leafs could make a very efficient trade.

The problem? Anderson alone is not worth any of those three players. The Senators would have to add. I'm guessing the Leafs would want a young forward who is ready to step into their lineup, or is close to the NHL.

Something like...

-Kapanen or Kerfoot or Johnsson
-Michael Hutchinson

for

-Craig Anderson (Half Retained)
-Filip Chlapik or Formenton or Abramov or Davidsson
-2nd Round Pick in 2020 or 2021 (Pick depends on which of the above prospects are bundled in.)

The Leafs would save the prorated equivalent of close to 1 million in cap. This helps ease their cap burden. They get a replacement in net, and they get assets for one of three players that they might have to liquidate in the off season. They also get ELC talent to potentially plug into their lineup.

The Senators (if it is Kapanen) get some offensive talent and speed. This is something the team is lacking. Cap hit doesn't matter for Ottawa, over the next three seasons Kapanen makes roughly 700k/2.8M/2.3M. Giving up what could be the 31st pick in a deep draft would be a big asset for Kapanen, but Kapanen carries less risk than a draft pick and is more of a known quantity. He's young and cost controlled. Hutchinson comes in to take the punishment of backing up a terrible team instead of recalling Hogberg and allowing him to get shell shocked. Anderson is optimistically worth a 3rd round pick. So that's the opportunity cost of bundling him in the trade.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

To Ottawa:
Scandella (D), 1yr 4M
Okposo (RW), 4yrs 6m

To Buffalo:
3rd rnd 2022
6th rnd 2020 (SJ)
Ryan (RW), 3yrs 7.5 (1m retained)
Ennis (C/LW/RW), 1yr 700k

Why does Buffalo do it?
- Save in cap hit (10m out, 7.2m in)
- Add two fwds who, while not good, can score (combined 11pts in 30 games; 60pts in 129 games in 2018-2019) more than Okposo (34pts in last 95 games)
- Get out of the bad contract (Okposo & Ryan) in 3 yrs rather than 4
- Gets decent (although not fantastic) value for Scandella (3rd, 6th, Ennis for Scandella; Ryan (1m retained) for Okposo)

Why does Ottawa do it?
- Add an NHL DMan, allowing Brannstrom to play in the AHL
- Facilitate a move for Ryan
- Spread money (Ryan 1m retained vs Okposo is basically a wash) out over an extra year
- Can recoup picks by trading Scandella at the deadline, when Wolanin, Jaros and Lajoie are back from injury and Brannstrom has had the benefit of marinating a bit more in the A.

Thoughts?

 

[Alf Silfversson]

The fact you used the term "better" player when I specifically mentioned "more elite" player shows you misunderstood my comment. I can see how though, it is a common mistake for people to misinterpret "natural skill" with "being a better player".

For example, Bobby Ryan is a very elite (or was) skilled player. The team however has played better without him after inserting players like Paul, Chlapik, Davidsson who may be less "elite" but have made the team better.

So with regards to my original comment, a player like Brady might not be as skilled as Svechnikov, but I would take the position that this team is far tougher to play against with Tkachuk than we would be with Svechnikov.

Hope that clears things up because I never meant to imply that your hockey knowledge is lacking.

So you're equating a prime Svechnikov with current day Bobby Ryan?

Not sure that makes much sense.

And let's not act like Svech is some soft, one dimensional player. He's very well rounded and plays a nice, gritty 200 foot game.

 

[aragorn]

It's most likely that if Ottawa were to trade Craig Anderson than the likely retunr would be a draft pick however, they may be able to return an interesting prospect too.

To Toronto: Craig Anderson G
To Ottawa: Yegor Korshkov LW/RW or Pierre Engvall LW/RW or Jordan Shmaltz RD

OR

To Carolina: Anderson G, Davidsson RW & Balcers LW
To Ottawa: Julien Gauthier RW (plus cap dump)

 

[GCK]

To Ottawa:
Scandella (D), 1yr 4M
Okposo (RW), 4yrs 6m

To Buffalo:
3rd rnd 2022
6th rnd 2020 (SJ)
Ryan (RW), 3yrs 7.5 (1m retained)
Ennis (C/LW/RW), 1yr 700k

Why does Buffalo do it?
- Save in cap hit (10m out, 7.2m in)
- Add two fwds who, while not good, can score (combined 11pts in 30 games; 60pts in 129 games in 2018-2019) more than Okposo (34pts in last 95 games)
- Get out of the bad contract (Okposo & Ryan) in 3 yrs rather than 4
- Gets decent (although not fantastic) value for Scandella (3rd, 6th, Ennis for Scandella; Ryan (1m retained) for Okposo)

Why does Ottawa do it?
- Add an NHL DMan, allowing Brannstrom to play in the AHL
- Facilitate a move for Ryan
- Spread money (Ryan 1m retained vs Okposo is basically a wash) out over an extra year
- Can recoup picks by trading Scandella at the deadline, when Wolanin, Jaros and Lajoie are back from injury and Brannstrom has had the benefit of marinating a bit more in the A.

Thoughts?

Why does Ottawa want Scandella. They can send Brannstrom down without taking on a worse contract than BR.

 

[GCK]

It's most likely that if Ottawa were to trade Craig Anderson than the likely retunr would be a draft pick however, they may be able to return an interesting prospect too.

To Toronto: Craig Anderson G
To Ottawa: Yegor Korshkov LW/RW or Pierre Engvall LW/RW or Jordan Shmaltz RD

OR

To Carolina: Anderson G, Davidsson RW & Balcers LW
To Ottawa: Julien Gauthier RW (plus cap dump)

No to giving up anything for Gauthier. He’s a potential slow 4th liner. He reminds me of Gabriel Gagne.

 

[TheNewEra]

Why does Ottawa want Scandella. They can send Brannstrom down without taking on a worse contract than BR.

scandella has 1 year left and it would be to send down brannstrom now instead of waiting for January/February for when wolanin comes back

thinking about it the deal might be better simplified
scandella
2nd round pick this year
for
Tierney
4th round pick this year

Keep Ryan and buy him out in the offseason if needed instead of taking the longer okposo contract

 

[Alf Silfversson]

It's most likely that if Ottawa were to trade Craig Anderson than the likely retunr would be a draft pick however, they may be able to return an interesting prospect too.

To Toronto: Craig Anderson G
To Ottawa: Yegor Korshkov LW/RW or Pierre Engvall LW/RW or Jordan Shmaltz RD

OR

To Carolina: Anderson G, Davidsson RW & Balcers LW
To Ottawa: Julien Gauthier RW (plus cap dump)

I don't see the Leafs giving up that easily on Korshkov. He's off to a nice start with the Marlies. I don't know much about Engvall and there's probably a better chance at getting him out of Toronto. I could actually see the Leafs giving up Schmaltz for Anderson and I'd do that. Give Andy a shot with a playoff team and get a good RD for Belleville. I'd even retain on Anderson and try to grab a 3rd or 4th round pick out of the Laffs.

That second one is pretty bad.

Both Davidsson and Balcers have done more at the professional level than Gauthier has and all three players are the same age. And then we just give them Anderson and take a cap dump?

No thanks.

 

[slamigo]

I think if anyone wants Anderson for backup on a cup run, then you move him. Don't take any money back though, just move him along for any pick, prospect. He's been a good soldier and it'd be nice to put him in a good spot to close out his career. He might even play himself into another contract.

 

[GCK]

I think if anyone wants Anderson for backup on a cup run, then you move him. Don't take any money back though, just move him along for any pick, prospect. He's been a good soldier and it'd be nice to put him in a good spot to close out his career. He might even play himself into another contract.

You move Anderson anywhere at the TDL except San Jose if there is interest, and you retain 50% just to show the league you can treat player properly. The rebuild is not only about picks and players, it needs to be about organizational reputation as well.

 

[Shruggs Peterson]

I think if anyone wants Anderson for backup on a cup run, then you move him. Don't take any money back though, just move him along for any pick, prospect. He's been a good soldier and it'd be nice to put him in a good spot to close out his career. He might even play himself into another contract.

How many teams that are going on a cup run can take on a 4.75mil cap hit without sending any money/ cap relief back?

I don't see much of a market for him.

 

[stempniaksen]

How many teams that are going on a cup run can take on a 4.75mil cap hit without sending any money/ cap relief back?

I don't see much of a market for him.

While I definitely agree with your overall point, if Andy is only moved closer to the deadline his pro-rated hit would be significantly less than $4.75 million. Might still take some retention on our end given the usually weak goaltending market.

 

[slamigo]

You move Anderson anywhere at the TDL except San Jose if there is interest, and you retain 50% just to show the league you can treat player properly. The rebuild is not only about picks and players, it needs to be about organizational reputation as well.

In my scenario he would be moved at the TDL. Since Andy is only making $4M this season ($4.75M cap hit), his salary at the TDL would be about $900k.
The Sens could take on some of the cap hit (which would only be $900k at the TDL). That's fine. My thinking was that if there was a trade soon, that Ottawa shouldn't retain a large portion of his salary (unless the math works - i.e. call up AHL goalie salary, + retained Andy salary = in the ballpark of trading him at the deadline).

 

[Sensfan4life]

You move Anderson anywhere at the TDL except San Jose if there is interest, and you retain 50% just to show the league you can treat player properly. The rebuild is not only about picks and players, it needs to be about organizational reputation as well.

Giving Anderson to San Jose would improve the Sens draft pick.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

How many teams that are going on a cup run can take on a 4.75mil cap hit without sending any money/ cap relief back?

I don't see much of a market for him.

Unless a contender runs into goal tending trouble and has cap space ... it will be tough to move him imo

 

[Sens72]

FWIW, I don’t remember Peter MacTavish having a pro hockey scout background.

 

[BatherSeason]

FWIW, I don’t remember Peter MacTavish having a pro hockey scout background.

MacTavish with no hockey scouting experience and Ben Goodman, director of team services of the Belleville Senators out scouting. Tell me again that this rebuild is in good hands.

 

[Johnny Hanson]

Why do they have a lawyer moonlighting as a pro scout?

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

MacTavish with no hockey scouting experience and Ben Goodman, director of team services of the Belleville Senators out scouting. Tell me again that this rebuild is in good hands.

Doubt they are actually scouting. Belleville at Laval tomorrow could be connected. These guys just are not capable/qualified NHL scouts.