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Proposal: Trade Rumors/Proposals 2019-20 Part II

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Sens of Anarchy said:
Norris is doing well in Belleville after a bit of a slow start. He has been given a bigger role since Brown was moved up. He likely stays in Belleville until they start moving bodies out at the TDL
Brown is week to week. UBI .. injury looked like nothing but we don't know if its a hand, thumb, wrist, elbow or shoulder
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Thanks for the update.
 
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DJB said:
Pageau is a process, team guy with lots of character . He helps define the room.

If we get the same offer for Pageau and Tierney we have to move Tierney
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The only reason to move one is to free up spots for youth.
The GM should handle this by:
- do we want Pageau moving forward
- if yes set your max term and money limit
- negotiate until 2 weeks before TDL
- sign him and trade Tierney or trade JGP if he won’t fit within your max limits

The decision to trade Pageau should not be swayed by potential returns, you either see him as a key piece or you don’t.

GMs can’t make reactionary decisions or you wind up with Bobby Ryan or Burrows.
 
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DJB said:
Pageau is a process, team guy with lots of character . He helps define the room.

If we get the same offer for Pageau and Tierney we have to move Tierney
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At some point you have to stop focusing on accumulating assets and instead focus on (re)building. The focus in the transactions changes from "how many assets can we get" to "which players do we need to keep to rebuild the team". I think Pageau is one you need to keep. He provides vetern leadership, and I think it's unlikely you get three better third line players out of our young guys in the next 3-4 years. Term is the biggest issue. We can afford to pay him for the next 3 -4 years. After that, we will need flexibility to sign our (hopefully) up can coming starts coming off their ELCs.
 
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ReginKarlssonLehner said:
I just bolded all the centres you mentioned better than Pageau.

Oh right, none. Lol. Terrible argument. Just cause we have a lot of C's doesn't make Pageau expendable.

White and Brown definitely can/should be better but until then you keep Pageau, especially since we aint hitting the cap ceiling.
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I dont know where you got from my message that any one of them is better than Pageau. That's just my opinion as you're entitled to yours, I don't want Pageau gone as I mentionned and I presented no argument at all in favour of trading Pageau, I just think it'll happen because we literally traded Stone, Hoffman, Karlsson, Dzingel, Duchene who are all MUCH better than Pageau and played an integral part on the team. It means absolutely nothing to this management that Pageau is better or not expandable, you must have missed the last 2 years or something.
 
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This is year 1 of this rebuild & lots can happen, but they should be accumulating assets that can improve their team to be a cup contending team at some future point. Given a choice between Pageau & Tierny, it's no contest, I would keep Pageau. But in a yr where they are rebuilding, if they could get a 1st rd pick for Pageau than I think they have to pull the trigger, especially if the pick is for the 2020 draft which so many are calling a great draft. Three first rd picks & potentially 4 2nd rd picks would be awesome for this franchise regardless that some of the players picked might not be NHL ready for 3 yrs or more, others likely will be. And it might also give them that extra pick to go after potentially the best goalie in franchise history.

I'm all for moving most of their UFAs & a couple of other guys, but you can only move the players that there is a market for & Ottawa has a few players that may not have any value or market such as, Ryan & Boedker. They may have to wait until the end of the season for Boedker's contract to be done before getting rid of him & they may have to buy out Ryan at some point. But there could be a team going into the playoffs that could use any one of these UFAs like Boro, DeMello, Hainsey, Ennis, Namestikov, Pageau or Anderson. Next yr it might be Anisimov, Nilsson, Tierny, Duclair, Chlapik & a few others that might be available for trade. They need to keep accumulating as many good assets as they can for drafting or trading for good young players that could have a future with this team & this is the yr to do just that.
 

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At the end of the day, Pageau controls his fate. He is a good versatile 3C. But he is a 3C and that puts limitations on term and budget, especially for this team.

I also think he's pretty smart. It's a rebuild. There are a lot of centers. He has to know that apart from short term injury situations he is playing bottom 6 minutes. If what he wants is an opportunity to show that he can be a legit 2C, if that is his desire, then he wont sign here and he should be moved. If he does accept he is a bottom 6C then he likely would be interested in signing here so we should get it done by February and move Tierney.
 
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As others have already pointed out, the Sens have L Brown, White and Norris as the probable 1C-2C-3C for the next phase of the Sens. Signing Pageau to any kind of term would not fit into that scenario. Best to see what kind of winger the team could get for Pageau. Sell high.
 

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slamigo said:
As others have already pointed out, the Sens have L Brown, White and Norris as the probable 1C-2C-3C for the next phase of the Sens. Signing Pageau to any kind of term would not fit into that scenario. Best to see what kind of winger the team could get for Pageau. Sell high.
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White is not a #2 c tho.
 
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Ideally we acquire a #1 center via the draft (hopefully Byfield) or via trade and our center depth can look something like:

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Brown
White
Norris

Buying high on Pageau by re-signing him to a big deal in a contract year seems like more of an emotional decision than an analytical one.

Trade him for a late 1st or 2nd + good prospect at the deadline, make room for Norris going forward, and then use his 4-5M to shore up the roster in other players (ideally defense and in goal).
 
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Daffy said:
White is not a #2 c tho.
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His contract says otherwise.

But I'm not super sold on him as a 2C either. I really hope he can fit that role though. It's definitely a gamble by the club. But hopefully he becomes the 2C.
 
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JD1 said:
At the end of the day, Pageau controls his fate. He is a good versatile 3C. But he is a 3C and that puts limitations on term and budget, especially for this team.

I also think he's pretty smart. It's a rebuild. There are a lot of centers. He has to know that apart from short term injury situations he is playing bottom 6 minutes. If what he wants is an opportunity to show that he can be a legit 2C, if that is his desire, then he wont sign here and he should be moved. If he does accept he is a bottom 6C then he likely would be interested in signing here so we should get it done by February and move Tierney.
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Your logic in the 2nd paragraph is kind of backwards, if there's anywhere in the league where Pageau is a top-six option it's in Ottawa (yes, even long-term). If he's okay being a 3rd line center and prioritizes short term success (among other things) than it makes sense for him to look elsewhere, but if he enjoys being in a position to play top-six minutes with some PP time there's no place like home that presents that kind of opportunity, imo.
 
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Pageau should be able to get us a first round pick if he can keep his performance up. Even for those that want to keep him, we could still trade him at the deadline and then sign him in the offseason.

Overall we should get some good value for the players we trade. One thing to consider is that we are so close to the cap floor that we will be forced to either retain salary or take a contract back in order to make trades work. That should increase the trade value of our assets as it will give our trade partners to cap space to make some additional moves.
 

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I figure we can get the following

Demelo - 2nd and maybe an additional pick
Tierney - 2nd if Pageau is resigned
Anderson - late pick if we retain

I doubt we move both Hainsey and Demelo
 
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Tuna99 said:
Why would Spezza come here, he wants to win a Cup. He was here and wanted to stay but Melnyck wouldn’t pony up, why come back? Makes zero sense
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Big difference 5 years later... Spezza declined and has a 700 000$ salary now.

Spezza declined 2 years after being traded, in the end it was a good decision to not sign him at 7 M$ per year for several years. Even Dallas was somewhat cautious with "only" a 4 year deal
 
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