Proposal: Trade Rumors/Proposals 2019-20 Part II

[BondraTime]

Someone must be injured because i read just yesterday ghat both Lajoie and Jaros were struggling

Zaitsev is back in Russia for a while

 

[Micklebot]

Zaitsev is back in Russia for a while

Personal reasons apparently, all the best to him and his family whatever the issue may be...

expected back for the clb game

 

[DrEasy]

I don't really have much issue with how players are being defined here, but for the record, I personally don't think a guy like Dylan DeMelo can easily be replaced.

I'm not sure why, or how, but he's become one of our better defensive defencemen who allows our more flamboyant and aggressive defencemen to learn their trade and make mistakes (see Chabot, see Borowiecki).

Getting to know Dylan DeMelo: From healthy scratch in San...

It seems like every team out there is looking for defensive help and we've got a guy who is probably going to be pretty cheap given the way defensive defencemen are evaluated.

We can try to parlay that into some crappy late round pick but I don't think it will be as easy to replace him as people think. Now, if we are actively trying to lose, then trading DeMelo is a good idea.

Do I think that we will ever have an established defensive corps with Wolanin, Brannstrom, Thomson, Chabot and Bernard-Docker all playing at the same time? No freaking way.

Carry on.

And that's the difference between DeMelo and Pageau. I have a feeling that we have enough forward depth to replace Pageau, but not enough defensive depth to replace DeMelo. White or Norris could be a decent imitation of Pageau moving forward, but who's the stabilizing defenseman among our prospect who could do what DeMelo is doing?

Not to mention the return for Pageau is likely to be much better than the return for DeMelo. Conversely, re-signing DeMelo should be cheaper than re-signing Pageau. All reasons to trade Pageau and keep DeMelo IMO.

 

[swiftwin]

its a combination of team shooting and save percentage, often when its out of wack it will show a team getting very lucky or unlucky.

That's not at all what PDO means. Sure, if it was an apples to apples comparison, then yeah, it could be a measure of luck. But in reality, different teams play vastly different systems. San Jose plays a system where they take lots of shots from the point, which ends up with a lot of low quality shots for, and a lot of turnovers from blocked shots and odd man rushes against. The Sharks give up the 2nd most HDCA (High Danger Chances Against) in the league.

 

[swiftwin]

I don't really have much issue with how players are being defined here, but for the record, I personally don't think a guy like Dylan DeMelo can easily be replaced.

I'm not sure why, or how, but he's become one of our better defensive defencemen who allows our more flamboyant and aggressive defencemen to learn their trade and make mistakes (see Chabot, see Borowiecki).

Getting to know Dylan DeMelo: From healthy scratch in San...

It seems like every team out there is looking for defensive help and we've got a guy who is probably going to be pretty cheap given the way defensive defencemen are evaluated.

We can try to parlay that into some crappy late round pick but I don't think it will be as easy to replace him as people think. Now, if we are actively trying to lose, then trading DeMelo is a good idea.

Do I think that we will ever have an established defensive corps with Wolanin, Brannstrom, Thomson, Chabot and Bernard-Docker all playing at the same time? No freaking way.

Carry on.

I agree 100%. It's sooo hard to find reliable RDs in this league. DeMelo is exactly that, and plays his role perfectly. We don't have the depth to lose him.

 

[Cosmix]

And that's the difference between DeMelo and Pageau. I have a feeling that we have enough forward depth to replace Pageau, but not enough defensive depth to replace DeMelo. White or Norris could be a decent imitation of Pageau moving forward, but who's the stabilizing defenseman among our prospect who could do what DeMelo is doing?

Not to mention the return for Pageau is likely to be much better than the return for DeMelo. Conversely, re-signing DeMelo should be cheaper than re-signing Pageau. All reasons to trade Pageau and keep DeMelo IMO.

Both are decent, good but not great players. If Pageau would sign a contract for 5 years at $4-$4.5 per, then I would sign him but with the expectation that his future play would be at 3rd line center level and not at the recent scoring rate he is showing us now. However if he wants more than that to sign here, then trade him by the next TDL. DeMelo is a competent 3rd pairing D man with the ability to play on the 2nd pair if required on a temp basis. Signing him as an RFA should not be too expensive for a 3 to 5 year contract, but if he asks for too much, then trade him too.

 

[Alex1234]

Calgary struggles makes me dream of Pageau (signed), Branstrom, Formenton ,SJS 1st for Matthew
One can only imagine what a Chucky-Brown-Chucky line would do

 

[aragorn]

I think the plan is to continue to move their older vets for younger players, prospects & picks. I expect that PD will start looking at moving out their UFAs, Boedker might either be loaned out to an European team, waived or allowed to walk at the end of the season, if they can't find a partner who will trade for him. They may not trade them all & re-sign one or two but somehow I think they stick to their plan of having a team of 25 yr olds & younger. Having said that though, there is an argument for keeping a few players too especially on defence where IMO the team is weakest at the moment.

 

[Ice-Tray]

I think the plan is to continue to move their older vets for younger players, prospects & picks. I expect that PD will start looking at moving out their UFAs, Boedker might either be loaned out to an European team, waived or allowed to walk at the end of the season, if they can't find a partner who will trade for him. They may not trade them all & re-sign one or two but somehow I think they stick to their plan of having a team of 25 yr olds & younger.

I’m not sure that the plan is to have everyone under 25.

I want to keep DeMelo, Pageau, Nilsson, and Duclair at the moment.

 

[RAFI BOMB]

Given that some posters on here are big fans of smaller players, just a reminder that Sean Dhooghe is playing his 3rd season in the NCAA and is technically an NCAA free agent. Dhooghe is listed at 5'3 150 lbs, he is basically Rudy.
Sean Dhooghe at eliteprospects.com
Not sure if he will be given much consideration as a pro once his NCAA career is up but you have to respect a guy who is giving his all to overcome his limitations.



‘One day I will be there’: Pint-sized Sean Dhooghe chases dream of playing in NHL

“He’s 5-foot-3, thinks he’s 6-foot-3 and tries to play like he’s 7-foot-3,” said Tony Granato, Dhooghe’s coach at Wisconsin who himself carved out a long NHL career despite being undersized

 

[Joeyjoejoe]

Ghost Bear healthy scratched.

 

[aragorn]

Given that some posters on here are big fans of smaller players, just a reminder that Sean Dhooghe is playing his 3rd season in the NCAA and is technically an NCAA free agent. Dhooghe is listed at 5'3 150 lbs, he is basically Rudy.
Sean Dhooghe at eliteprospects.com
Not sure if he will be given much consideration as a pro once his NCAA career is up but you have to respect a guy who is giving his all to overcome his limitations.



‘One day I will be there’: Pint-sized Sean Dhooghe chases dream of playing in NHL

Any other NCAA free agents the Sens could target?

 

[RAFI BOMB]

Any other NCAA free agents the Sens could target?

Maybe Johnny Walker.
Johnny Walker at eliteprospects.com
I will have to do some digging to see if there are any interesting players available.

 

[TheNewEra]

Ghost scratched by Philly, we should be trading for him if he is even remotely available

 

[SpezDispenser]

Calgary struggles makes me dream of Pageau (signed), Branstrom, Formenton ,SJS 1st for Matthew
One can only imagine what a Chucky-Brown-Chucky line would do

Dare to dream...

 

[danielpalfredsson]

Ghost Bear healthy scratched.

He would be a great cost per point acquisition if he is anywhere remotely close to his former self. His contract was front-loaded with bonuses.

With that said, I don't think he fits a need for Ottawa. We are thinking about the next few years. We have Chabot as our #1LD and we traded for Brannstrom with very high expectations for him to become a strong defender.

Not all of our young LDs will pan out. We've seen this before when Karl/Rundbland/Cowen/Wiercioch was supposed to be our elite top 4. But it's way too early to be moving assets for a sure thing. Especially since Gostisbehere only has 3 years left after this season.

 

[Boud]

Zaitsev is back in Russia for a while

Isn't he suposed to be back on Monday for the game?

 

[BK201]

Not so sure about source but Rumor: Ottawa receives big offer for J.G Pageau from the Islanders

 

[HSF]

Ghost scratched by Philly, we should be trading for him if he is even remotely available

He is pretty bad

Hip surgery has slowed his game down

 

[Bileur]

Not so sure about source but Rumor: Ottawa receives big offer for J.G Pageau from the Islanders

Seems pretty speculative and the guy has only Leafs content on his Twitter. Wouldn’t get my hopes up.

 

[Skid]

Not so sure about source but Rumor: Ottawa receives big offer for J.G Pageau from the Islanders

That’s a good fit for isles. Love that team and their coach...
I know we’re not getting any of their top 3 prospects (sorokin, Dobson, wahlstrom) so their first would be a must...

 

[Bileur]

That’s a good fit for isles. Love that team and their coach...
I know we’re not getting any of their top 3 prospects (sorokin, Dobson, wahlstrom) so their first would be a must...

Bode Wilde certainly has interesting tools. We could use a defense prospect with size and physicality. Particularly a RH one.

 

[Skid]

Bode Wilde certainly has interesting tools. We could use a defense prospect with size and physicality. Particularly a RH one.

I agree he has interesting tools but pageau should attract a better prospect or 1st. A combination of Wilde and a 2nd would be palatable

 

[Sensfan4life]

Not so sure about source but Rumor: Ottawa receives big offer for J.G Pageau from the Islanders

From the article

Look for the deal to potentially turn into something bigger as the Islanders would also welcome a player like defenseman, Mark Borowiecki with open arms.

Unprotected 1st + ? makes this deal fair from a Sens POV?

 

[Bileur]

I agree he has interesting tools but pageau should attract a better prospect or 1st. A combination of Wilde and a 2nd would be palatable

I agree, I certainly didn’t mean 1 for 1, just as an interesting piece. Maybe we can even squeeze a Wilde and a protected or more likely conditional first for Pageau and Boro.