Rumor: Trade Rumors & Proposal Thread: Who Wouldn't Want Ham On it?

[Aceboogie]

Galchenyuk is doing just as bad. Murray is made of glass and not good either. Unluckt draft year.

However Nurse is looking as good as a top 3 pick (Gap with Jones is almost non existant right now), LD is looking like a first overall, Klefbom is looking like a stud and was a excellent pick, and McDavid is McDavid

If you pick high multiple times you are bound to get a dissappointing guy, but Oilers have had success in all the other picks

 

[AVE MAN]

To me the only equivalent trade would be Justin Schultz. He seems to meet all of the criteria that Snow wants.........a defensemen, about the same age and around the same salary. Remember, Schultz was a highly sought after free agent.

Perhaps, they are waiting until he gets back from the injury list and see him play a few games.

I agree with this. I dont think Snow is getting any better than Justin Schultz from any other team.

 

[CupofOil]

People want to bash Yakupov and say he has no trade value while he's quietly tied with Crosby in points after 21 games. He's tied with the generational superstar Crosby! Let that think in before trying to trade him for peanuts.

And the same amount of goals as Brandon Davidson, tied with the perennial AHLer Davidson and Mark Belanger Letestu. Let that sink in before overrating his contribution to the team.

Yak also has a career high of 17 goals (3 seasons ago) and 33 points while Crosby, well you know. I can't imagine that any GM gives up anything significant for Yak at this point in time.

 

[McShogun99]

And the same amount of goals as Brandon Davidson, tied with the perennial AHLer Davidson and Mark Belanger Letestu. Let that sink in before overrating his contribution to the team.

Yak also has a career high of 17 goals (3 seasons ago) and 33 points while Crosby, well you know. I can't imagine that any GM gives up anything significant for Yak at this point in time.

You do realize that I was joking....

 

[Raab]

i think we all have to start accepting the fact that yakupov is going to be a "middle 6" winger, and not ever a legit "top-6" winger.... he can be a very valuable player if he continues to work on his defensive game.... the idea of him being a 30 goal scorer very likely needs to be put to rest, and we have to start hoping he puts together 20 goal seasons while not being a travesty in his own end.... to be fair to yak, he HAS improved his defensive game quite a bit this year, and doesn't make nearly as many mental gaffes.... additionally, he currently has a 3.9% shooting%, which won't continue... if he has even a "bad" shooting% of 7.8%, he has 4 goals and we likely aren't too worried as he would be on a 20 goal pace for the year.... yak has been, and will likely continue to be, streaky in his career

When was Hemsky's break out year? 24 I believe. Way to early to write any of these guys off, although I'd trade them for the right return.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

This time of year is so boring for trades. Nothing exciting happens...

 

[McDeathbyCheerios*]

When was Hemsky's break out year? 24 I believe. Way to early to write any of these guys off, although I'd trade them for the right return.

Hemsky had 64 points in his 3rd NHL season and a combined -7 in those 3 years.

 

[McDeathbyCheerios*]

Crosby is in a scoring slump and Yak has reverted to his norm.

 

[CupofOil]

You do realize that I was joking....

Oh, my bad. I thought you were another one of those "Yak can do no wrong" folks.

I also want to add that I'm not writing him off but he's gotta start scoring some goals this season. It's "show me" time for him.

 

[Samus44]

2012 was a poor draft year. Outside of Hampus Lindholm, what top-10 pick is making an impact as top line/pairing player in the NHL?

How long did it take for Turris to hit his stride? It is looking like a weak draft year but we have to remember these guys are still very young many won't be stars but a guy like Yakupov should still be a good player, i think Boedker is a decent comparison, and a guy like Reinhart could still easily become Alzner or Staal like. Yeah a guy wants to land a Hall or a Pieterangelo in the top selections but i think we should remember that 22 year olds usually are playing in the AHL or just establishing themselves.

 

[Samus44]

Oh, my bad. I thought you were another one of those "Yak can do no wrong" folks.

I also want to add that I'm not writing off but he's gotta start scoring some goals this season. It's "show me" time for him.

I think he's been getting better every season and he's been a bit snake bitten so far, his defense and use of his team mates are improving every season. When he was playing with McDavid i thought they were helping each other a lot, McDavid was obviously helping Yakupov more but i thought Yakupov complimented his skillset very well. We've seen with Yakupov that he requires a center to get him the puck and to play off of and when he gets that he can be a very valuable player.

I see guys like Boedker in Arizona who broke out at 23-24 and i don't see any reason why Yakupov can't be that type of player and maybe even a bit better. He's only just turned 22, no need to panic. A guy like Eberle was all of 18 months younger than Yakupov now when he made his NHL debut and at this point nobody is expecting Yakupov to be better than him.

It's tough to continually be patient with all these young players especially when patience can also bite you in the butt with some guys, but it's even tougher in my estimation to call a 22 year old who's been improving his deficiencies while producing at nearly a .5/game clip so far in his career any where near being a write off. As long as he keeps developing, and i think he clearly is, then Yakupov has to have value to this team especially if the McDavid chemistry was no mirage.

 

[Consultant]

While we contemplate trading our beloved forward depth we should consider that sometimes its possible good things like defensemen can come for free:

http://www.coppernblue.com/2015/11/24/9796230/brandon-davidson-needs-to-stay-in-the-oilers-lineup

Not saying we don't need Hamonic, cause we do but not at the expense of Eberle or another of our star quality forwards. Schultz better be careful otherwise he will lose his spot. Hopefully he comes in and looks good, I'm sure Snow will be watching as I'd imagine that's what the Oilers have on the table (Schultz +).

 

[TheRebuild]

People want to bash Yakupov and say he has no trade value while he's quietly tied with Crosby in points after 21 games. He's tied with the generational superstar Crosby! Let that think in before trying to trade him for peanuts.

Yak for Crosby. Straight across. Get er' done Chia

 

[Young Lions*]

I think he's been getting better every season and he's been a bit snake bitten so far, his defense and use of his team mates are improving every season. When he was playing with McDavid i thought they were helping each other a lot, McDavid was obviously helping Yakupov more but i thought Yakupov complimented his skillset very well. We've seen with Yakupov that he requires a center to get him the puck and to play off of and when he gets that he can be a very valuable player.

I was hoping Yak's early season success was not just a product of McDavid. I was wrong. I'm the last person who focuses on individual errors to build a case, but his game against Washington was like a greatest hits collection of everything wrong with the player: the blind passes to nobody, that terrible pass to Hall on the 2 on 0, the fruitless running around in his own end. And we've been seeing the same damn thing each and every year with him.

I see guys like Boedker in Arizona who broke out at 23-24 and i don't see any reason why Yakupov can't be that type of player and maybe even a bit better. He's only just turned 22, no need to panic. A guy like Eberle was all of 18 months younger than Yakupov now when he made his NHL debut and at this point nobody is expecting Yakupov to be better than him.

One of the reasons I have a hard time seeing Yak being one of those late bloomers is that he simply doesn't think the game very well at all and isn't nearly skilled enough to get by on talent alone. And even if he is, we don't exactly have the luxury of patience.

It's tough to continually be patient with all these young players especially when patience can also bite you in the butt with some guys, but it's even tougher in my estimation to call a 22 year old who's been improving his deficiencies while producing at nearly a .5/game clip so far in his career any where near being a write off. As long as he keeps developing, and i think he clearly is, then Yakupov has to have value to this team especially if the McDavid chemistry was no mirage

I'm at the point where the best case scenario is McDavid and Yak work well enough together that we can parlay Yak into a piece or pieces that can meet other needs.

 

[backhandsauce]

Yak for Crosby. Straight across. Get er' done Chia

We would probably have to add Fayne or Petr Klima's old jofa.

 

[t0nedeff]

If for some reason it is decided that Nuge gets traded.....he would be the type pf player that would be a perfect fit in Detroit. Datsyuk could mentor him (as he seems to be in that type of mold - play wise - not points). I could see the Wings re-building soon....
The players I would want in return: Darren Helm and Brendan Smith if we get a 3rd rounder as well, that sounds good for both

Harminoc for Davidson and Yakupov.


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Hall-Draisital-Purcell
Hendricks-Helm-Klinkhammer
Gazdic-Letestu-Korpikoski

Harmonic-Sekera
Nurse-Smith
Klefbom-Fayne

Talbot
Nilson

This might be the single worse trade proposal on the Oilers board, ever. You want to trade RNH for fricken Darren Helm and fricken can't even be a good dman under Babcock Brendan Smith? Not too mention Helm is a ufa this coming off season jesus christ.

 

[Hugo McStiglitz]

If for some reason it is decided that Nuge gets traded.....he would be the type pf player that would be a perfect fit in Detroit. Datsyuk could mentor him (as he seems to be in that type of mold - play wise - not points). I could see the Wings re-building soon....
The players I would want in return: Darren Helm and Brendan Smith if we get a 3rd rounder as well, that sounds good for both

Harminoc for Davidson and Yakupov.


Poliout-MacDavid-Eberle
Hall-Draisital-Purcell
Hendricks-Helm-Klinkhammer
Gazdic-Letestu-Korpikoski

Harmonic-Sekera
Nurse-Smith
Klefbom-Fayne

Talbot
Nilson

No. Absolutely atrocious return for RNH.

 

[Samus44]

A question i just found myself thinking about. Is Mark Letestu better than Marc Arcobello? How so? I'm not against Letestu but i think he's being paid 1 million more than we could have given to Arcobello for the same job.

 

[backhandsauce]

A question i just found myself thinking about. Is Mark Letestu better than Marc Arcobello? How so? I'm not against Letestu but i think he's being paid 1 million more than we could have given to Arcobello for the same job.

He is but Boyd Gordon was a better fit for this team than both.

I wonder is we could trade Lander for Gordon. haha

Reunite the two Wagons.

 

[belair]

A question i just found myself thinking about. Is Mark Letestu better than Marc Arcobello? How so? I'm not against Letestu but i think he's being paid 1 million more than we could have given to Arcobello for the same job.

Visually, they are night and day in the defensive zone. Arcobello, based on his play from last year, would have the upper hand offensively, but I can see Letestu sccoring in spurts. I just hope one of those comes along soon.

 

[Pointteen]

This might be the single worse trade proposal on the Oilers board, ever. You want to trade RNH for fricken Darren Helm and fricken can't even be a good dman under Babcock Brendan Smith? Not too mention Helm is a ufa this coming off season jesus christ.

That isn't even the worst trade proposal in that post.

That's serious homerism

 

[oilz89*]

A question i just found myself thinking about. Is Mark Letestu better than Marc Arcobello? How so? I'm not against Letestu but i think he's being paid 1 million more than we could have given to Arcobello for the same job.

Uhhh yes Letestu is better because he's so good at penalty killing are you blind? yeah bring back the old eakins mact stink with Arcobusto

 

[nexttothemoon]

Letestu is probably being underrated slightly (and I'm not even really a Letestu fan)... because the entire bottom 6 has somehow caught Belanger-itis. It's almost comical how little offense the bottom 2 lines have been able to produce and that affects everyones views of everyone on those bottom 2 lines.

Letestu has been decent in past seasons... being a decent PK option while chipping in some reasonable level of offense as well. Like so many others on this team (Lander especially) we just have to wait and hope to see if they find that offense in their games again.

Maybe when McDavid comes back (and the team gets more healthy in general), opponents will have more trouble containing the top 2 lines... and that will open up the opportunities for the bottom 6 slightly more. That's probably more wishful thinking than anything but the bottom 2 lines can't continue being this poor all season... can they?

 

[K1984]

I was hoping Yak's early season success was not just a product of McDavid. I was wrong. I'm the last person who focuses on individual errors to build a case, but his game against Washington was like a greatest hits collection of everything wrong with the player: the blind passes to nobody, that terrible pass to Hall on the 2 on 0, the fruitless running around in his own end. And we've been seeing the same damn thing each and every year with him.



One of the reasons I have a hard time seeing Yak being one of those late bloomers is that he simply doesn't think the game very well at all and isn't nearly skilled enough to get by on talent alone. And even if he is, we don't exactly have the luxury of patience.



I'm at the point where the best case scenario is McDavid and Yak work well enough together that we can parlay Yak into a piece or pieces that can meet other needs.

Agreed with all of these points.

Even in games like the one against Washington where he wasn't that bad per se, he always finds ways to screw up to opportunities that do come to him. For all the faults he has, he should at the very least be able to produce on the good offensive chances that come to him. But he doesn't. He'll make the lightning pass that nobody can handle (the Hall 2 on 0 example), mishandle the puck, shoot it wide, fan on the shot, hold on to it too long negating a chance, etc, etc, etc.

In short, although he has the talent to produce, I don't think that he has the hockey smarts to even execute on the skills that he possesses. He might have the biggest disparity I have ever seen in a player between his skill level (borderline elite) and his hockey smarts (below minor league).

 

[redgrant]

If for some reason it is decided that Nuge gets traded.....he would be the type pf player that would be a perfect fit in Detroit. Datsyuk could mentor him (as he seems to be in that type of mold - play wise - not points). I could see the Wings re-building soon....
The players I would want in return: Darren Helm and Brendan Smith if we get a 3rd rounder as well, that sounds good for both

Harminoc for Davidson and Yakupov.


Poliout-MacDavid-Eberle
Hall-Draisital-Purcell
Hendricks-Helm-Klinkhammer
Gazdic-Letestu-Korpikoski

Harmonic-Sekera
Nurse-Smith
Klefbom-Fayne

Talbot
Nilson

If hes in the Dats Bergeron mold why on earth would you trade him for some third liners?

Worst idea ever.