Rumor: Trade Rumors & Proposal Thread: Who Wouldn't Want Ham On it?

[Quality Oil]

Feeling like we deserve more - sorry dudes. Sad to have to play through another pushover year. I hope it doesn't go down like that.

 

[Fourier]

Hamonic is their #1 D by ice time, and it's not close. It's not a great D though imo, and we should realize that in the west, he won't be quite as good.

Actually it is close. He and Boychuk get basically the same amount of time on the ice based on the two years they have played together. They both average essentially between 25-26 shifts per game as well. The shift numbers are actually a reasonable way to see who is being used most. This year Boychuk seems to be taking shorter ES shifts but they are deployed pretty much as equals.

Hamonic's value should be more than Boychuk's because he is 5 years younger. But they really are the same tier as far as ability is concerned.

 

[BoldNewLettuce]

Gotcha.

Makes a lot more sense now.

Although I'm pretty sure the Islanders don't take that deal unless that + is the first round pick.

I'm not sure hamonic is good enough to warrant a top 10 pick, certainly not a lottery pick.

Look at some of the defenders taken iin the past 5 years in the top 10.

I'd take a majority of them over hamonic.

I think hamonic could be worth a 1st to a playoff team.

 

[McShogun99]

People want to bash Yakupov and say he has no trade value while he's quietly tied with Crosby in points after 21 games. He's tied with the generational superstar Crosby! Let that think in before trying to trade him for peanuts.

 

[Fishy McScales]

People want to bash Yakupov and say he has no trade value while he's quietly tied with Crosby in points after 21 games. He's tied with the generational superstar Crosby! Let that think in before trying to trade him for peanuts.

Apples and oranges.

 

[Fourier]

I'm not sure hamonic is good enough to warrant a top 10 pick, certainly not a lottery pick.

Look at some of the defenders taken iin the past 5 years in the top 10.

I'd take a majority of them over hamonic.

I think hamonic could be worth a 1st to a playoff team.

His worth comes from the fact that he is mature and can have an impact right now. You are right that your chances of getting a player of Hamonic's ability in the top 10 are pretty good. But you also probably have to wait 4-5 years for that level of play to be realised. You also take the risk that the pick never pans out.

 

[Mcnotloilersfan]

People want to bash Yakupov and say he has no trade value while he's quietly tied with Crosby in points after 21 games. He's tied with the generational superstar Crosby! Let that think in before trying to trade him for peanuts.

Quietly is the key word there. He is a goal scorer who hasn't scored a goal in 15 games. Crosby slumping/ having an usual slow start has nothing to do with it.

Mclellan made a great point (and I'm paraphrasing because I'm too lazy to go look up the exact words) in one of his recent interviews about how we always hear "when he has derek roy or connor mcdavid... he needs to be able to play well no matter who he plays with."

 

[Nostradumbass]

He is probably our best 2 way player on the team period. Its hard to understand why we would want to trade RNH, we just had a massive center problem. You can play Leon with Hall and RNH, McDavid with Eberle and Pouliot. Those are 2 lines that teams would have a tough time containing.

I don't think we have as big a problem on defence as some suggest, its juts going to take a year or 2 to blossom. Hamonic is not going to be a saviour at all, some suggesting Eberle for him is ridiculous. I see Fayne, Yakupov, Schultz, being on the block long before Eberle. If the same response of he s worth more is the reason, well yeah he is worth more for a reason. It hasn't been our defensive game, its been we can't score enough, Hamonic won't fix any of that.

We are playing extremely better, we are definitely going to take the turn soon, no reason for panic.

16th in GF/game
27th in GA/game

 

[CupofOil]

I don't really like Hamonic for Eberle either.

It's creating a hole to fill a hole. In the end you still have a hole.

I'm also not convinced that the hole made by the departing Eberle isn't bigger than the hole Hamonic fills.

The Oilers are pretty middle of the road when it comes to goals scored largely without a contribution from Eberle and without McDavid for the long stretch so I don't think he's as much a need as he once was.
Not saying that they won't miss him but I don't think the loss will be as great as you might think.

Keep in mind also that they are clearing $2M cap space for the next 4 years so that along with the loads of cap space being cleared this offseason gives the Oilers more flexibilty to fill Eberle's void if need be. Oh and get a rock solid #2 RHD signed to a great contract for the next 4 years.

 

[CornKicker]

Apples and oranges.

for sure it is, crosby is playing in the east on teh first line with linemates like kessel, perron and hornquist

meanwhile yakupov has been playing 3rd line duties with hendricks, korpokospi and letestu

 

[Halibut]

Quietly is the key word there. He is a goal scorer who hasn't scored a goal in 15 games. Crosby slumping/ having an usual slow start has nothing to do with it.

Mclellan made a great point (and I'm paraphrasing because I'm too lazy to go look up the exact words) in one of his recent interviews about how we always hear "when he has derek roy or connor mcdavid... he needs to be able to play well no matter who he plays with."

The lack of goal scoring is what really concerns me. Even with McDavid he only put up two goals so it wasnt like McDavid was feeding him and he was using his shot to put the puck in the net, the worry is he was touching the puck and getting it to McDavid then McDavid would do something amazing with it and create a goal that really didnt come about from anything Yak did.

By eye he looks better defensively this year and he definitely can skate the puck, make plays and create offense. I hope he can start producing again and preferably he shows something on his own before McDavid comes back so he can claim it as his own.

 

[Raoul Duke]

for sure it is, crosby is playing in the east on teh first line with linemates like kessel, perron and hornquist

meanwhile yakupov has been playing 3rd line duties with hendricks, korpokospi and letestu

Is this for real?
Are we now using Crosby's universally accepted terrible start as a defence of Nail?
The only comparison is neither are scoring. How this makes Yakupov good, I don't know. Not to mention Yakupov's points came with McDavid, not Letestu etc.

 

[redgrant]

Yak is clearly a bust. Hes merely as good as his linemates. This is not what is to be expected of a first overall.

Truthfully they wouldnt be all that much better off with Murray and trading down for Reinhart at 4 wouldnt make sense seeing he clearly isnt a 4th overall right now as well.

It was just a really bizarre draft year.

 

[Pros and Cons]

If for some reason it is decided that Nuge gets traded.....he would be the type pf player that would be a perfect fit in Detroit. Datsyuk could mentor him (as he seems to be in that type of mold - play wise - not points). I could see the Wings re-building soon....
The players I would want in return: Darren Helm and Brendan Smith if we get a 3rd rounder as well, that sounds good for both

Harminoc for Davidson and Yakupov.


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Hall-Draisital-Purcell
Hendricks-Helm-Klinkhammer
Gazdic-Letestu-Korpikoski

Harmonic-Sekera
Nurse-Smith
Klefbom-Fayne

Talbot
Nilson

 

[Frank the Tank]

Yak is clearly a bust. Hes merely as good as his linemates. This is not what is to be expected of a first overall.

Truthfully they wouldnt be all that much better off with Murray and trading down for Reinhart at 4 wouldnt make sense seeing he clearly isnt a 4th overall right now as well.

It was just a really bizarre draft year.

2012 was a poor draft year. Outside of Hampus Lindholm, what top-10 pick is making an impact as top line/pairing player in the NHL?

 

[misfit]

Shady as in unclear. Perhaps I use the word wrongly. What I ment was reasons that seem unclear and as thus unpredictable. My sentiment still stands tho.

His reasons may be unknown to us, the fans, but I'm certain Chiarelli knows why he asked for a trade. And if he's still as aggressive as the reports suggest, it's likely a non-issue from an Oilers perspective.

 

[Spawn]

Yak is clearly a bust. Hes merely as good as his linemates. This is not what is to be expected of a first overall.

Truthfully they wouldnt be all that much better off with Murray and trading down for Reinhart at 4 wouldnt make sense seeing he clearly isnt a 4th overall right now as well.

It was just a really bizarre draft year.

Bizarre probably isn't the right word for it.

Awful on the other hand.... that probably hits the nail on the head.

 

[McJadeddog]

Yak is clearly a bust. Hes merely as good as his linemates. This is not what is to be expected of a first overall.

Truthfully they wouldnt be all that much better off with Murray and trading down for Reinhart at 4 wouldnt make sense seeing he clearly isnt a 4th overall right now as well.

It was just a really bizarre draft year.

yeah i love yak more than most (he is my avatar after all), but its pretty clear that the 2012 draft year was basically just a huge miss in the top 5.... 6-10 is likely a better group than the 1-5 group, which is really, really, REALLY, weird... i can't think of another draft where this is the case..... very strange indeed.... no team with the #1 pick that year was going to pick trouba or forsberg (who right now maybe look like the two best picks from the first round)

 

[Beerfish]

People want to bash Yakupov and say he has no trade value while he's quietly tied with Crosby in points after 21 games. He's tied with the generational superstar Crosby! Let that think in before trying to trade him for peanuts.

Yakupovs point total is a testament to the fact that Connor McDavid as an 18 year old after only about 12 games in the league is our best player. The very definition of making others around you much better. Just too bad mcdavid got hurt because yak would have had a lot more trade value at the deadline.

 

[AVE MAN]

Did you forget that Petry was a UFA rental, whereas Hamonic is signed for 4 more years at 3.75 cap hit? That would be why.

haha, to be honest I did forget that detail. Of course that would be the reason Petry went for a pick(s). Still dont think Petry would go for a 30 goal scorer if he was signed to a similar term and I know that Hamonic won't either (unless there's another significant piece added). Player that ask for trades usually don't get the value requested back.
Whether it's Winnipeg, Edmonton or anyone else, whats the point of trading a defenseman of equal value back to NYI? If you have a dman of equal value, how are you getting ahead by adding a player that has already demanded a trade in his young career? Doesn't make sense and is probably the reason why the deal hasn't happened yet.

 

[BoldNewLettuce]

His worth comes from the fact that he is mature and can have an impact right now. You are right that your chances of getting a player of Hamonic's ability in the top 10 are pretty good. But you also probably have to wait 4-5 years for that level of play to be realised. You also take the risk that the pick never pans out.

For sure but if he and snow are waiting until the offseason that is the kind of move you make with the 17 first or at the draft, imo.

We're still trying to figure schultz out and who plays where in a healthy lineup.

I am also paranoid about the risk hamonic carries as well. Imo hamonic could bust just as easily as a top 10 pick.

I want chiarelli to get him. I just don't think we need to overpay.

Ie. Protect the 1st or expand the trade.

-Schultz and protected 1st for hamonic and a roster forward
-fayne and a protected 1st for hamonic
-yakupov and fayne for hamonic and a roster foward
-or if you're picking 6th at the draft and don't like a player call snow and see what he wants to do.
Etc.

 

[The Nuge]

2012 was a poor draft year. Outside of Hampus Lindholm, what top-10 pick is making an impact as top line/pairing player in the NHL?

Morgan Rielly. But that's it

 

[McJadeddog]

The lack of goal scoring is what really concerns me. Even with McDavid he only put up two goals so it wasnt like McDavid was feeding him and he was using his shot to put the puck in the net, the worry is he was touching the puck and getting it to McDavid then McDavid would do something amazing with it and create a goal that really didnt come about from anything Yak did.

By eye he looks better defensively this year and he definitely can skate the puck, make plays and create offense. I hope he can start producing again and preferably he shows something on his own before McDavid comes back so he can claim it as his own.

i think we all have to start accepting the fact that yakupov is going to be a "middle 6" winger, and not ever a legit "top-6" winger.... he can be a very valuable player if he continues to work on his defensive game.... the idea of him being a 30 goal scorer very likely needs to be put to rest, and we have to start hoping he puts together 20 goal seasons while not being a travesty in his own end.... to be fair to yak, he HAS improved his defensive game quite a bit this year, and doesn't make nearly as many mental gaffes.... additionally, he currently has a 3.9% shooting%, which won't continue... if he has even a "bad" shooting% of 7.8%, he has 4 goals and we likely aren't too worried as he would be on a 20 goal pace for the year.... yak has been, and will likely continue to be, streaky in his career

 

[Frank the Tank]

Morgan Rielly. But that's it

He wouldn't be top pairing defenseman on a good NHL team (here's a shout out to any Leafs' fans patrolling this thread); however, the potential is there. Same with Trouba if he can recover his form from his first few seasons.

 

[Faelko]

People want to bash Yakupov and say he has no trade value while he's quietly tied with Crosby in points after 21 games. He's tied with the generational superstar Crosby! Let that think in before trying to trade him for peanuts.

I find it funny that Crosby still hasn't caught McDavid for points.

You aren't seriously comparing Yakupov and Crosbys value based on their point totals this year?