Rumor: Trade Rumors and Proposals: Will Chia get us an Xmas gift?

[SK13]

If Byfuglien hits free agency, I"m offering him 2 years at 8M per.

You're also not signing him, though.

Established players don't care for this concept of inflated salary at deflated term. They would rather guarantee 40M and know where they're playing for the next half dozen years than make more in the short term and risk a deflated contract in a couple years.

 

[Fourier]

So you would prefer 3 expensive centermen, a poor defense, and no chance at competing for anything? Or would you prefer to dump Drai or Mcdavid to address those problems? The future cap hits of Drai/RNH/Mcdavid won't allow you to keep all three and fix the defense at the same time, and wingers won't get the type of player this team needs on the back end in a trade anyways, unless you believe moving Hall is the desirable option.

The Oilers spent years taking the BPA in the draft, the excuses given were usually that defensemen were difficult to project, and even if you end up with excess players at a position they can be moved to fill in needs at other positions. Both of those statements are still pretty reasonable premises today, and it's come time to pony up now that the Oilers have 3 top 6 centermen, minimal depth on the wings, and a weak defense that struggles to compete night in and night out.

Hell, I hope he scores at a 70 point pace, pump up that value and get the best possible return for him.

Check out San Jose's top six and then note that they have Burns, Vlasic and Braun on defense. The cap argument is false. At worst, cap pressures over the next 5 years might mean you may have to replace Pouliot unless you do something stupid.

One key may well turn out to be the contract for Klefbom. It would not surprise me at all if they try to do the same with Nurse. This could give you Sekera, Nurse and Klefbom locked in at about $14M. That is very likely 3 of your top 4 defensemen. You could add a $7.5M defenseman and still keep your defense at about $26-27M which would leave you with close to $50M for forwards when McDavid's ELC is up.

If the right trade presents itself you make it. And that deal could include anyone outside of McDavid. But it is not at all true that the only way the Oilers get an impact defenseman is to trade RNH, nor is it necessary to move him for cap purposes.

 

[Paralyzer008]

You're also not signing him, though.

Established players don't care for this concept of inflated salary at deflated term. They would rather guarantee 40M and know where they're playing for the next half dozen years than make more in the short term and risk a deflated contract in a couple years.

I'm just saying what I'd offer him.

I'm sure some team will give him something terrible.

 

[joestevens29]

Maybe it's just me, but I would've tried to make a move for Daley. Maybe his play has dropped that much, but he was behind a couple studs in CHI for PP time and went from 23 minutes in DAL to 14 or 15 in CHI.

Unless injuries really hit him

 

[OF17]

Maybe it's just me, but I would've tried to make a move for Daley. Maybe his play has dropped that much, but he was behind a couple studs in CHI for PP time and went from 23 minutes in DAL to 14 or 15 in CHI.

Unless injuries really hit him

Two fan bases in a row have been cheering the day their teams traded him. That's a bad sign. Plus, we don't need to be adding any LH #4/5 defensemen, especially relatively expensive ones. Daley wouldn't've added much.

I'd back the brinks truck up for Byfuglien. 5 years, $7 million per. He's one of the best defensemen in the league, a RHS, has offensive talent, and he's one of the more physically challenging top-2 D in the league. Yeah, he's old, but we'd be paying only cap space for at least 3 years of dominant defense. That's worth it.

Nurse-Sekera
Klefbom-Byfuglien
Davidson-Fayne
Reinhart

 

[PaPaDee]

I still hope there's a possibility of landing with Hamonic by trading Yakupov or Eberle.

 

[PaPaDee]

Two fan bases in a row have been cheering the day their teams traded him. That's a bad sign. Plus, we don't need to be adding any LH #4/5 defensemen, especially relatively expensive ones. Daley wouldn't've added much.

I'd back the brinks truck up for Byfuglien. 5 years, $7 million per. He's one of the best defensemen in the league, a RHS, has offensive talent, and he's one of the more physically challenging top-2 D in the league. Yeah, he's old, but we'd be paying only cap space for at least 3 years of dominant defense. That's worth it.

Nurse-Sekera
Klefbom-Byfuglien
Davidson-Fayne
Reinhart

I'd do that for Buff, especially if we could structure it in a way that's front loaded so that the final 2 years of real salary are less than his cap-hit. If he regresses, we might be able to pawn him off to teams that are struggling to meet the cap floor.

 

[Tarus]

Check out San Jose's top six and then note that they have Burns, Vlasic and Braun on defense. The cap argument is false. At worst, cap pressures over the next 5 years might mean you may have to replace Pouliot unless you do something stupid.

One key may well turn out to be the contract for Klefbom. It would not surprise me at all if they try to do the same with Nurse. This could give you Sekera, Nurse and Klefbom locked in at about $14M. That is very likely 3 of your top 4 defensemen. You could add a $7.5M defenseman and still keep your defense at about $26-27M which would leave you with close to $50M for forwards when McDavid's ELC is up.

If the right trade presents itself you make it. And that deal could include anyone outside of McDavid. But it is not at all true that the only way the Oilers get an impact defenseman is to trade RNH, nor is it necessary to move him for cap purposes.

San Jose? The team that pissed away their cup window by never being able to balance out their roster? Specifically their defense which was always a bit behind their opponents? Not an example I would want to make. I was thinking more of Pittsburgh though, a team that stuck with 3 expensive centermen for too long at the expense of overall team depth. They looked like a good team in the regular season, but collapsed every playoff year for similar reasons to SJ - not enough balance throughout the roster.

So yes, you could keep all three centermen and likely fit in some other expensive contracts, but there is no reason to actually do that unless you want to be fodder for teams that actually understand that players are expendable(just look at Chicago, 2 forwards, 2 defensemen, everyone else is expendable). I want to see the team win the actual Stanley cup, not the TSN preseason panel predictions for who should win the Stanley cup.

 

[Halibut]

I still hope there's a possibility of landing with Hamonic by trading Yakupov or Eberle.

I dont think it is this season, the Islanders want to challenge for a cup and need him on defence or a comparable replacement that we're not willing to give up. Next summer things change. They might be able to fix their defence through free agency and look at improving their offence in a trade.

 

[joestevens29]

Two fan bases in a row have been cheering the day their teams traded him. That's a bad sign. Plus, we don't need to be adding any LH #4/5 defensemen, especially relatively expensive ones. Daley wouldn't've added much.

I'd back the brinks truck up for Byfuglien. 5 years, $7 million per. He's one of the best defensemen in the league, a RHS, has offensive talent, and he's one of the more physically challenging top-2 D in the league. Yeah, he's old, but we'd be paying only cap space for at least 3 years of dominant defense. That's worth it.

Nurse-Sekera
Klefbom-Byfuglien
Davidson-Fayne
Reinhart

3.3mil isn't relatively expensive. For a bottom pair it's not ideal, but if he is a top 4 that's a steal.

Like I said maybe injuries have hurt, but for a team who's PP needs help I think it would've been a relatively cheap pickup that could've paid dividends.

 

[Young Lions*]

San Jose? The team that pissed away their cup window by never being able to balance out their roster? Specifically their defense which was always a bit behind their opponents? Not an example I would want to make. I was thinking more of Pittsburgh though, a team that stuck with 3 expensive centermen for too long at the expense of overall team depth. They looked like a good team in the regular season, but collapsed every playoff year for similar reasons to SJ - not enough balance throughout the roster.

I think this is quite a reductionist argument. San Jose was consistently one of the best teams in the league for almost a decade with multiple 100 point seasons. Same goes for the Pens, but they actually won a Cup and could have won another. If the Oilers went on a kind of extended run of success like those teams, I'd be ecstatic because regular season success is by far a better indicator of quality than the playoffs where luck and bounces and injuries are going to have outsized impact on the results.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

defenseman that will be gone after this year

Schultz- 3.9 million...traded for a pick at the deadline
Ference- 3.25 mil...bought out at the end of the year
Nikitin- 4.5 million....KHL bound
Gryba- 1.25 million...not re-signed

thats 12.9 milllion freed up

only 11.613 million tied up in D-men next year (including Ference's buyout but not Nurse's bonuses)...can we please trade for Hamonic??

 

[Fourier]

San Jose? The team that pissed away their cup window by never being able to balance out their roster? Specifically their defense which was always a bit behind their opponents? Not an example I would want to make. I was thinking more of Pittsburgh though, a team that stuck with 3 expensive centermen for too long at the expense of overall team depth. They looked like a good team in the regular season, but collapsed every playoff year for similar reasons to SJ - not enough balance throughout the roster.

So yes, you could keep all three centermen and likely fit in some other expensive contracts, but there is no reason to actually do that unless you want to be fodder for teams that actually understand that players are expendable(just look at Chicago, 2 forwards, 2 defensemen, everyone else is expendable). I want to see the team win the actual Stanley cup, not the TSN preseason panel predictions for who should win the Stanley cup.

Cap space does not get you Duncan Keith, nor would trading RNH. He was drafted and developed by the Hawks. Seabrook was also home grown as was Hammer. Aside from moving Campbell whose contract was a kiler, Chicago has never traded any of their core, unless you include moving a 34 year old Patrick Sharpe this year. The They kept their key players and exchanged the role players.

San Jose managed to find cap space to have Boyle, Burns, Braun, Demers and Vlasic all playing at the same time. So it's not like they had a bunch of plugs on the back end. If they had a real issue it was in goal. And it's not like they never had the money to pay a goalie. They just never had one that rose to the occasion.

Pittsburgh has been paying Crosby and Malkin almost $17M since the days when the cap was $56M. If you project that to when McDavid's ELC is up that is basically the equivalent of over $24M. IF Draisatl gets $6M and McDavid $10M the three centers would still take up less of the cap as a percentage than Crosby and Malkin did.

Like it or not. This team's defense will be built around Nurse and Klefbom, with Sekera as top 6 option. At best you are looking at adding one impact defenseman. And they can afford to pay the price necessary. How they find that guy is still in question. But history has shown that the most likely ways of getting such a player is by drafting and developing him, by signing a UFA, or by trade when such a player becomes available because of contract or other issues. Player for player hockey trades are extremely rare.

No one is saying that everyone is untouchable. In fact, the only untouchable on this team is McDavid. But making poor trades for the sake of change doesn't make your team better.

 

[LTIR]

Dan Boyle(pending UFA) for Justin Schultz(pending RFA)

NYR save 600K this season in cap space. Oilers improve on PP.

He has played 6yrs under McLellan

 

[Halibut]

No one is saying that everyone is untouchable. In fact, the only untouchable on this team is McDavid. But making poor trades for the sake of change doesn't make your team better.

I think this is exactly where we are at. If we make moves just to make moves what is available is more Ference, Nikitin, Gryba level players. You trade Eberle or RNH now and you are getting a return like the Seguin trade. It may make sense in the future to trade one or both for cap reasons. Hall is going to get a ton on his next contract, so will McDavid and Draisaitl will be up there soon as well. If we sign a d-man to an expensive UFA contract that might put cap pressure on us and hopefully one of our goalies will prove they deserve a decent contract. Right now I dont see any plausible trade that improves us and moves one of them out.

We're not getting a top pairing d-man in trade. What we can do is improve our 4-6 d-men or our bottom 6 forwards. We do that by trading picks and prospects.

 

[Pointteen]

Dan Boyle(pending UFA) for Justin Schultz(pending RFA)

NYR save 600K this season in cap space. Oilers improve on PP.

He has played 6yrs under McLellan

Done a million times over.

 

[Ritchie Valens]

Kassian cleared as per Friedman.

 

[LTIR]

Kassian cleared as per Friedman.

I guess we are good with Klinkhammer the 8min TOI man on the 2nd line.

Add in Gazdic the too slow to jump over the boards and Anton the no hands Lander and this team is good on the grit side..

 

[Tarus]

Cap space does not get you Duncan Keith, nor would trading RNH. He was drafted and developed by the Hawks. Seabrook was also home grown as was Hammer. Aside from moving Campbell whose contract was a kiler, Chicago has never traded any of their core, unless you include moving a 34 year old Patrick Sharpe this year. The They kept their key players and exchanged the role players.

Trading RNH might get you a Keith type defenseman, you just have to find someone who isn't all the way there yet. That's part of the reason people keep proposing Seth Jones and other defensemen in that age/potential range

Chicago has dumped more than just Sharp and Campbell as well. The franchise has become pretty much a talent feeder system for the rest of the NHL. If your name isn't Seabrook/Keith/Kane/Toews, you're expendable if you demand too money(Saad, Ladd, Buff, etc etc)

San Jose managed to find cap space to have Boyle, Burns, Braun, Demers and Vlasic all playing at the same time. So it's not like they had a bunch of plugs on the back end. If they had a real issue it was in goal. And it's not like they never had the money to pay a goalie. They just never had one that rose to the occasion.

Arguably the weakest incarnation of San Jose's defenses over the last decade, good enough to contribute to their yearly beating at the hands of the blues/kings anyways.

SJ has always had issues with their team makeup though. From a top heavy forward group backed by a weak bottom six, to it's mediocre defense that always seems to come up short against it's divisional rivals with that boast at least one star level defenseman that owns them every year, down to it's goaltending they don't seem to put much importance on fixing(though I think that's very much related to the defense).

Pittsburgh has been paying Crosby and Malkin almost $17M since the days when the cap was $56M. If you project that to when McDavid's ELC is up that is basically the equivalent of over $24M. IF Draisatl gets $6M and McDavid $10M the three centers would still take up less of the cap as a percentage than Crosby and Malkin did.

I'm not arguing that you can't do it, I'm arguing that you shouldn't do it. Depth and balance wins in the NHL, not star power.

Like it or not. This team's defense will be built around Nurse and Klefbom, with Sekera as top 6 option. At best you are looking at adding one impact defenseman. And they can afford to pay the price necessary. How they find that guy is still in question. But history has shown that the most likely ways of getting such a player is by drafting and developing him, by signing a UFA, or by trade when such a player becomes available because of contract or other issues. Player for player hockey trades are extremely rare.

The Oilers could use one more high potential defenseman in case Klef/Nurse's top ends don't turn out to be that high(not to mention they need a guy who brings offensive presence), and RNH is probably the best bet to entice someone to give up that type of player.

I know it's rare, and if they can't find a player to fits the bill, don't trade him.

No one is saying that everyone is untouchable. In fact, the only untouchable on this team is McDavid. But making poor trades for the sake of change doesn't make your team better.

Who is suggesting that the Oilers make a trade for the sake of change? I'm certainly not, nor am I suggesting that they dump RNH for cap space or anything else silly like that. I'm suggesting that the Oilers who boast an exceptionally top heavy lineup that is consistently undermined by a poor defense, use one of those forwards to go and try to rectify that.

Hall/Drai/Mcdavid look like the guys to build with up front, Nurse(and maybe Klefbom) on the backend. Everyone else is expendable for team needs imo, that includes RNH, Yakupov, and RNH.

 

[OnTheBrink]

Trading RNH might get you a Keith type defenseman, you just have to find someone who isn't all the way there yet. That's part of the reason people keep proposing Seth Jones and other defensemen in that age/potential range

Chicago has dumped more than just Sharp and Campbell as well. The franchise has become pretty much a talent feeder system for the rest of the NHL. If your name isn't Seabrook/Keith/Kane/Toews, you're expendable if you demand too money(Saad, Ladd, Buff, etc etc)



Arguably the weakest incarnation of San Jose's defenses over the last decade, good enough to contribute to their yearly beating at the hands of the blues/kings anyways.

SJ has always had issues with their team makeup though. From a top heavy forward group backed by a weak bottom six, to it's mediocre defense that always seems to come up short against it's divisional rivals with that boast at least one star level defenseman that owns them every year, down to it's goaltending they don't seem to put much importance on fixing(though I think that's very much related to the defense).



I'm not arguing that you can't do it, I'm arguing that you shouldn't do it. Depth and balance wins in the NHL, not star power.



The Oilers could use one more high potential defenseman in case Klef/Nurse's top ends don't turn out to be that high(not to mention they need a guy who brings offensive presence), and RNH is probably the best bet to entice someone to give up that type of player.

I know it's rare, and if they can't find a player to fits the bill, don't trade him.



Who is suggesting that the Oilers make a trade for the sake of change? I'm certainly not, nor am I suggesting that they dump RNH for cap space or anything else silly like that. I'm suggesting that the Oilers who boast an exceptionally top heavy lineup that is consistently undermined by a poor defense, use one of those forwards to go and try to rectify that.

Hall/Drai/Mcdavid look like the guys to build with up front, Nurse(and maybe Klefbom) on the backend. Everyone else is expendable for team needs imo, that includes RNH, Yakupov, and RNH.

Good post for the most part, I would only be willing to move one of the RNH's though, we need at least one RNH for the next 1-2 seasons.

Agree with you that the core to build around is McD, Drai, Hall, Nurse and Klefbom. That leaves RNH, Eberle, Yak, 2016 1st, Reinhart and picks/prospects to address the blue line and depth up front, of all those "non-core" pieces Nuge is the last one that I trade. The blue line when healthy looks a lot better then it did 1 year ago… Nurse, Sekera and Klefbom will be/are all legit top 4 Dman going forward for this team, This team really only needs one #3 or better RHD and I think that can be accomplished by trading pieces other then Nuge.

I don't make any big moves during the season unless a whale falls into our lap, let our 2nd line and Klefbom get healthy and see what this team can do with a proper lineup that doesn't consist of 4 AHL depths players. Then come the draft when the Oilers know where their pick is and who fits in best on a healthy Oilers lineup, you go and chase that RHD you need.

 

[LTIR]

Draisaitl @ home: 11GP 6G 13A 19pts +11 30 shots
Draisaitl @ away: 11GP 3G 5A 8pts -1 16 shots

The boy needs some home cooking.

 

[Beerfish]

Done a million times over.

Are you kidding? Awful trade. Boyle is freakin 39 years old. The thought that people want to just get rid of schultz for anything is crazy.

25 year old right handed Dman plus 2 in his last 5 games 4 of which we have won who is FINALLY getting the ice time he should be getting, tat being 17 mins a night rather than 23 minutes he has logged the last 4 years.

If you are moving Schutlz as part of a package for real upgrade that will be here for a few years or as part of a move to get tougher up front fine but giving him away for a 40 game fix is crazy.

 

[OnTheBrink]

Draisaitl @ home: 11GP 6G 13A 19pts +11 30 shots
Draisaitl @ away: 11GP 3G 5A 8pts -1 16 shots

The boy needs some home cooking.

Interesting, wonder if match up have much to do with it. Got me looking into some stats, with all the Nuge bashing going on lately some interesting stats, over his last 5 games where he seems to be the new whipping boy… he has 2G 4A 6P -1 56.9%FO 19min+ TOI … Think people are expecting everyone to be PPG on this team he is playing a very important role for this team which will allow Drai and McDavid to develop properly.

 

[Young Lions*]

Trading RNH might get you a Keith type defenseman, you just have to find someone who isn't all the way there yet. That's part of the reason people keep proposing Seth Jones and other defensemen in that age/potential range.

Duncan Keith was 25 when the Hawks made the playoffs for the first time with Kane and Toews and 26 when they won. So trading RNH for some diamond in the rough is a great idea if you want to make noise in 2019. In the meantime, you've squandered cheap years for McDavid and Drai and burned the most productive years for Hall just waiting for another 20-21 year old to develop all because there's apparently no other possible way to balance the roster.

 

[LTIR]

Are you kidding? Awful trade. Boyle is freakin 39 years old. The thought that people want to just get rid of schultz for anything is crazy.

25 year old right handed Dman plus 2 in his last 5 games 4 of which we have won who is FINALLY getting the ice time he should be getting, tat being 17 mins a night rather than 23 minutes he has logged the last 4 years.

If you are moving Schutlz as part of a package for real upgrade that will be here for a few years or as part of a move to get tougher up front fine but giving him away for a 40 game fix is crazy.

It really isnt. Schultz is hitting free agency next season regardless since no one is qualifying and then paying him 4M+. Assuming you are happy with Klefbom, Sekera, Nurse and Davidson. keeping Schultz around wouldnt change the makeup of our defense at all. Schultz needs to go even if it is for a pending UFA.

We upgrade our D, bring in experience and who knows this might be a playoffs team if Boyle could help our PP. He is 39 but still plays well over 20minutes per night.