Rumor: Trade Rumors and Proposals: Will Chia get us an Xmas gift?

[Giggli G]

Eberle was a ghost for most of the game while players like Marchand, Vatrano, and Ferraro absolutely owned us all night.

Eberle got two incredibly lucky bounces for two points. Are we going to start saying Korpikoski is valuable because he scored a hat trick the game before even though he has looked overall bad all year?

Marchand looks like a God compared to Eberle and is far more useful.

I can promise all of you that a team consisting of Mcdavid, Hall, Draisaitl, Yakupov, RNH, Eberle, Purcell will go absolutely nowhere. You saw last night what happens against teams who take the body. We get embarrassed.

Eberle did not win us that game. He was invisible and completely useless for most of it. Same with the San Jose game and the game where he scored in OT. He is invisible and everyone is hating on him because he brings nothing we don't already have. Then he pots a goal and everyone seems to forget the type of player he actually is.

Trade him away before he's 30 years old and our team is still in the basement because we have no defence and no players willing to take a hit to make a play.

Do you not understand how rare and valuable the ability to score out of nowhere is? Saying Eberle did not win us that game is ludicrous and shows you lack the most basic understanding of hockey. He had three ****ing points in a game where the Oilers scored 3 goals.

 

[LTIR]

A garbage person that went into rehab when forced to, not of his own volition.

And being addicted to a substance doesn't make you a garbage person. Being a garbage person makes you a garbage person.

And what makes a person a garbage person if its not substance addiction?
Also, what is the point of these programs or correctional institutes if there are no 2nd chances.

"This is also not the 1st time that Kassian has gone to a rehab/behavioral program. He was already in Stage 1 of the program, which means he most likely volunteered for treatment and entered the program anonymously."

 

[ChaoticOrange]

During the entire game up until overtime he was trash. Our entire team got embarrassed by the Bruins. Eberle has been invisible in all the games he has played this year. Easily our best forward based on what? Points? I watched the entire game. I would say our best forward was RNH. He actually looked like he had legs for once.

Go back and watch the game again. He had two gift wrapped points and the only actual notable nice play he made was during 3 on 3 which caters to his small, skilled style.

You need to watch the game again. That goal Eberle scored in the first is a shot that 49 out of 50 NHLers cannot make. Even the goal that got called back he had to retrieve the puck off Gustafsson's pads and roof it in the blink of an eye.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

And what makes a person a garbage person if its not substance addiction?
Also, what is the point of these programs or correctional institutes if there are no 2nd chances.

"This is also not the 1st time that Kassian has gone to a rehab/behavioral program. He was already in Stage 1 of the program, which means he most likely volunteered for treatment and entered the program anonymously."

What are you quoting?

The fact that he's a total dirtbag off the ice and a classless goon that mocks injuries on it has nothing to do with his substance abuse issues to me.

 

[duul]

Ok. Let's stay the course.

Hall-Draisaitl-Purcell
Khaira-RNH-Eberle
Pouliot-McDavid-Yakupov

Let's continue getting obliterated by every team willing to take the body. We simply can't compete against teams like Boston and L.A.

Are you guys forgetting we didn't even register a shot until 3 minutes left in the 2nd period? Thank God we have Eberle though instead of a solid defenceman. Let's keep all our purely skilled guys. It has worked wonders so far.

 

[oilz89*]

Ok. Let's stay the course.

Hall-Draisaitl-Purcell
Khaira-RNH-Eberle
Pouliot-McDavid-Yakupov

Let's continue getting obliterated by every team willing to take the body. We simply can't compete against teams like Boston and L.A.

Are you guys forgetting we didn't even register a shot until 3 minutes left in the 2nd period? Thank God we have Eberle though instead of a solid defenceman. Let's keep all our purely skilled guys. It has worked wonders so far.

So if we trade Eberle, who replaces him?

 

[ChaoticOrange]

Ok. Let's stay the course.

Hall-Draisaitl-Purcell
Khaira-RNH-Eberle
Pouliot-McDavid-Yakupov

Let's continue getting obliterated by every team willing to take the body. We simply can't compete against teams like Boston and L.A.

Are you guys forgetting we didn't even register a shot until 3 minutes left in the 2nd period? Thank God we have Eberle though instead of a solid defenceman. Let's keep all our purely skilled guys. It has worked wonders so far.

'Solid' defencemen play on teams 2nd pairings for 18 minutes a night. That's the guy you want for Eberle? More of what we already have?

Those purely skilled guys have rattled off six wins in a row, a fact you seem to forget, and I thought we actually did a decent job of limiting quality opportunities last night, so they started firing from all angles.

 

[Quality Oil]

Who was the coach at the time? Renney? Or Quinn?

Seems out of character for Renney.

Maybe not so much for Quinn.

Don't know where to put this, but I was listening to Patrick O'Sullivan on a podcast and he was asked when he actually told a team that he had issues.

He said at his exit interview in Edmonton, he told the coach and manager that he thought he needed to talk to somebody and he knew he could be a much better player if he got some help.

He said they just clammed up and he was traded a month later to Phoenix and then bought out.

Interesting

I heard this on the Marek vs. Wyshynski podcast as well. For those who want to hear the interview it can be found here: http://pmd.fan590.com/podcasts/mare...ember-14th-Edition-of-Marek-vs.-Wyshynski.mp3

Interview starts @ 18:35
Question then comment from O'Sullivan about meeting with Oilers brass and requesting help @ 29-34 minute mark.

2008-2009 MacTavish
2009-2010 would have been Quinn as coach.

 

[Hockey Nightmare]

Who wants to bet that the Flames claim Kassian? It would be such a Burke thing to do.

 

[duul]

So if we trade Eberle, who replaces him?

Let's take a look at some of the best teams in the NHL's top 6 and see if we can find a pattern.

Boston:

Marchand-Bergeron-Connolly
Beleskey-Krejci-Eriksson

Looking so far like each like has one pure offensive player, a solid two way player, and a gritty player. Moving on...

Los Angeles:

Pearson-Kopitar-Gaborik
Lucic-Carter-Toffoli

Beginning to see a trend here.

St. Louis:

Paajarvi-Stastny-Tarasenko
Steen-Backes-Brouwer

Minnesota:

Vanek-Granlund-Pominville
Parise-Koivu-Zucker


Chicago is probably the only team that gets away with having a purely offensive line in Panarin-Anisimov-Kane, but they also have Selke Gods Toews and Hossa, along with 3 incredible defencemen.

The point is that when our top 9 is

Hall-Draisaitl-Purcell
Khaira-RNH-Eberle
Pouliot-McDavid-Yakupov

Other teams know they have nothing to worry about playing against us. We've got outshot how many times in a row now? Winning off unbelievable goaltending performances and lucky bounces. Our top 9 has what, one two way player in RNH? Maybe two in Draisaitl if you can count him. We are weak as hell and the game against Boston last night should have been a blowout.

More skill doesn't = more wins.

edit: I will add that you should look at the Stanley Cup champs in the past 10 years lineups. All very similar balance-wise. Strong defence is priority followed by two way centres and gritty wingers.

 

[Weitz]

The problem with winning 6 in a row is suddenly everyone thinks this is a playoff team.

We still need a ton of changes to compete for the stanley cup - which is the goal, not squeaking into the playoffs.

But I will say I am enjoying the show so far!

 

[yukoner88]

The problem with winning 6 in a row is suddenly everyone thinks this is a playoff team.

We still need a ton of changes to compete for the stanley cup - which is the goal, not squeaking into the playoffs.

But I will say I am enjoying the show so far!

very few posters on this board feel that this team can compete for a stanley cup and 99% of us are very aware of roster issues and holes this team has.

This team squeaking into the playoffs would be awesome for the development of the young core as they would get a taste of what the playoffs are like.

Also, this is just me getting a bit sentimental, but the ol' barn is in her swan song, a playoff series would be a much better way to send her off into the sunset, rather than 10years of missing out on playoff action

 

[Weitz]

very few posters on this board feel that this team can compete for a stanley cup and 99% of us are very aware of roster issues and holes this team has.

This team squeaking into the playoffs would be awesome for the development of the young core as they would get a taste of what the playoffs are like.

Also, this is just me getting a bit sentimental, but the ol' barn is in her swan song, a playoff series would be a much better way to send her off into the sunset, rather than 10years of missing out on playoff action

Absolutely agree. Just saying we can't be afraid to move players to better the team.

 

[oilz89*]

Let's take a look at some of the best teams in the NHL's top 6 and see if we can find a pattern.

Boston:

Marchand-Bergeron-Connolly
Beleskey-Krejci-Eriksson

Looking so far like each like has one pure offensive player, a solid two way player, and a gritty player. Moving on...

Los Angeles:

Pearson-Kopitar-Gaborik
Lucic-Carter-Toffoli

Beginning to see a trend here.

St. Louis:

Paajarvi-Stastny-Tarasenko
Steen-Backes-Brouwer

Minnesota:

Vanek-Granlund-Pominville
Parise-Koivu-Zucker


Chicago is probably the only team that gets away with having a purely offensive line in Panarin-Anisimov-Kane, but they also have Selke Gods Toews and Hossa, along with 3 incredible defencemen.

The point is that when our top 9 is

Hall-Draisaitl-Purcell
Khaira-RNH-Eberle
Pouliot-McDavid-Yakupov

Other teams know they have nothing to worry about playing against us. We've got outshot how many times in a row now? Winning off unbelievable goaltending performances and lucky bounces. Our top 9 has what, one two way player in RNH? Maybe two in Draisaitl if you can count him. We are weak as hell and the game against Boston last night should have been a blowout.

More skill doesn't = more wins.

edit: I will add that you should look at the Stanley Cup champs in the past 10 years lineups. All very similar balance-wise. Strong defence is priority followed by two way centres and gritty wingers.

Lol you put all that up and didn't even answer my question. Who do we replace Eberle with? Gazdic? Who?

 

[LTIR]

The problem with winning 6 in a row is suddenly everyone thinks this is a playoff team.

We still need a ton of changes to compete for the stanley cup - which is the goal, not squeaking into the playoffs.

But I will say I am enjoying the show so far!

The good thing about being on a winning streak is that you can negotiate trades from a position of strength and not look desperate.

Its too bad the Islanders are red hot (8-0-2 last 10). had they been on a long'ish losting streak Snow would have moved Hamonic already.

SJ's current struggles might make Burns available for trade despite his performance.

 

[Spawn]

Eberle was a ghost for most of the game while players like Marchand, Vatrano, and Ferraro absolutely owned us all night.

Eberle got two incredibly lucky bounces for two points. Are we going to start saying Korpikoski is valuable because he scored a hat trick the game before even though he has looked overall bad all year?

Marchand looks like a God compared to Eberle and is far more useful.

I can promise all of you that a team consisting of Mcdavid, Hall, Draisaitl, Yakupov, RNH, Eberle, Purcell will go absolutely nowhere. You saw last night what happens against teams who take the body. We get embarrassed.

Eberle did not win us that game. He was invisible and completely useless for most of it. Same with the San Jose game and the game where he scored in OT. He is invisible and everyone is hating on him because he brings nothing we don't already have. Then he pots a goal and everyone seems to forget the type of player he actually is.

Trade him away before he's 30 years old and our team is still in the basement because we have no defence and no players willing to take a hit to make a play.

You're reaching big time if you're trying to discredit a player getting 1G 2A in a 3-2 overtime game by saying he was invisible the rest of the time. Makes the rest of your posts basically impossible to take seriously in regards to the player. You clearly have a very biased opinion that is driving your agenda.

 

[LTIR]

What are you quoting?

The fact that he's a total dirtbag off the ice and a classless goon that mocks injuries on it has nothing to do with his substance abuse issues to me.

it was something from this article that hinted that Kassian enrolled himself in the first time.
http://awinninghabit.com/2015/10/14/habs-rw-kassians-recovery-not-comedy-skit/

So if we trade Eberle, who replaces him?

Yakupov does... or Purcell does ... or McDavid does.
If we dont replace Eberle where does he play when everyone is healthy?

Hall-Drai-Purcell <-- didnt work here
Pouliot-McDavid-Yakupov <-- sure but then where does Yakupov play
Khaira-RNH-Eberle <-- sure but do we really need a 6M winger on 3rd line?

Oilers need to add complimentary size and grit in top 9. McLellan has tried all of Klinkhammer, Hendricks, Pakarainen and Khaira with Hall-Drai duo. It is obvious what kind of player he wants there long term.

 

[duul]

You're reaching big time if you're trying to discredit a player getting 1G 2A in a 3-2 overtime game by saying he was invisible the rest of the time. Makes the rest of your posts basically impossible to take seriously in regards to the player. You clearly have a very biased opinion that is driving your agenda.

Korpikoski scored 3 goals the game before and looked bad. He got lucky bounces. Eberle scored of a bank shot tuck in that had no business going in. Then Chara fell down for the first time in his career to give them another freebie.

Literally the only time Eberle was impressive in the Boston game was during 3 on 3. It's not a biased opinion to assess what types of players win you Stanley Cups. If we didn't have Draisaitl, Purcell, Yakupov, McDavid, RNH, and Hall...then I would want to keep Eberle because you do need a certain amount of raw skill guys. You need guys like Eberle on your team who are there to score goals.

We have enough players capable of scoring goals when they get the puck. It seems people are under the assumption that trading someone who scores more goals for someone who scores less goals automatically means it's a bad idea.

Eberle for Marchand would make us a better hockey club. Eberle for Eriksson would make us a better team too. Eberle for a #2 or #3 defenceman and then playing Pakarinen in Eberle's spot makes us a way better team.

 

[Suxnet]

Lol you put all that up and didn't even answer my question. Who do we replace Eberle with? Gazdic? Who?

Matt Hendricks.

One of RNH/Eberle have to go, though, imo.

 

[oilz89*]

it was something from this article that hinted that Kassian enrolled himself in the first time.
http://awinninghabit.com/2015/10/14/habs-rw-kassians-recovery-not-comedy-skit/



Yakupov does... or Purcell does ... or McDavid does.
If we dont replace Eberle where does he play when everyone is healthy?

Hall-Drai-Purcell <-- didnt work here
Pouliot-McDavid-Yakupov <-- sure but then where does Yakupov play
Khaira-RNH-Eberle <-- sure but do we really need a 6M winger on 3rd line?

Oilers need to add complimentary size and grit in top 9. McLellan has tried all of Klinkhammer, Hendricks, Pakarainen and Khaira with Hall-Drai duo. It is obvious what kind of player he wants there long term.

If we trade Eberle it will be for a defensemen not another forward

 

[joestevens29]

it was something from this article that hinted that Kassian enrolled himself in the first time.
http://awinninghabit.com/2015/10/14/habs-rw-kassians-recovery-not-comedy-skit/



Yakupov does... or Purcell does ... or McDavid does.
If we dont replace Eberle where does he play when everyone is healthy?

Hall-Drai-Purcell <-- didnt work here
Pouliot-McDavid-Yakupov <-- sure but then where does Yakupov play
Khaira-RNH-Eberle <-- sure but do we really need a 6M winger on 3rd line?

Oilers need to add complimentary size and grit in top 9. McLellan has tried all of Klinkhammer, Hendricks, Pakarainen and Khaira with Hall-Drai duo. It is obvious what kind of player he wants there long term.

So Kassian has already gone through a program and relapsed? That makes it even worse.

If he can go down to the AHL and prove he's a changed man then we can look at him, but a guy that already failed rehab doesn't seem like a good target. Especially one that has proven nothing in the NHL

 

[McWeber]

it was something from this article that hinted that Kassian enrolled himself in the first time.
http://awinninghabit.com/2015/10/14/habs-rw-kassians-recovery-not-comedy-skit/



Yakupov does... or Purcell does ... or McDavid does.
If we dont replace Eberle where does he play when everyone is healthy?

Hall-Drai-Purcell <-- didnt work here
Pouliot-McDavid-Yakupov <-- sure but then where does Yakupov play
Khaira-RNH-Eberle <-- sure but do we really need a 6M winger on 3rd line?

Oilers need to add complimentary size and grit in top 9. McLellan has tried all of Klinkhammer, Hendricks, Pakarainen and Khaira with Hall-Drai duo. It is obvious what kind of player he wants there long term.

We have yak at 2.5 mil for 2 years and Mcdavid and Drai on ELCs, whats the harm in having a top 9 of 3 first lines if we can afford it? give them each an average of 18 minutes a night with whichever line is hot getting the push? It shouldn't matter which line you call 1st 2nd and 3rd. When building the international teams they pick the best players available and don't scoff at the idea of having Tavares on the 3rd or 4th line. If its a luxury we can afford lets take advantage of it. It gives us depth, trade options and matchup options.

 

[duul]

We have yak at 2.5 mil for 2 years and Mcdavid and Drai on ELCs, whats the harm in having a top 9 of 3 first lines if we can afford it? give them each an average of 18 minutes a night with whichever line is hot getting the push? It shouldn't matter which line you call 1st 2nd and 3rd. When building the international teams they pick the best players available and don't scoff at the idea of having Tavares on the 3rd or 4th line. If its a luxury we can afford lets take advantage of it. It gives us depth, trade options and matchup options.

They pick the best two way players. That's why you saw Kunitz, Sharp, Marleau, Bergeron, Carter on the 2014 Olympic team and players like Bergeron, Marleau, Morrow, Richards, Toews on the 2010 team. All good teams stress defence first and championship teams are always filled with defensively responsible players who can score. The only complete player we have is McDavid, and Hall to an extent this season.

 

[PaPaDee]

The problem with winning 6 in a row is suddenly everyone thinks this is a playoff team.

We still need a ton of changes to compete for the stanley cup - which is the goal, not squeaking into the playoffs.

But I will say I am enjoying the show so far!

I'm pretty sure Chiarelli still understands the holes that are on this team. The nice thing about winning games is at least it helps drive up some value on players. Eakins utterly destroyed value on several players (i.e. Petry, Dubnyk) and we got horrible returns because of it.

 

[Aceboogie]

Lol, this tweet confused the hell out of me and I thought we had traded Schultz and Eberle