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Trade Rumors 2013 Part II

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I think some people are getting overzealous over Muzzin's recent play. Let's not forget how he looked before he was paired with Doughty. I'm not sold on him as being better than Martinez, yet. Maybe this season he has been, but let's not forget Martinez's contributions to the team last season.

In addition to that, what's to happen when the Kings lose Scuderi and Drewiske to free agency (no big loss with Drewiske, I know), and if the Kings get hampered by injuries on the blueline again next season? Deslauriers is ways away from getting a sniff at an NHL game, and if you remove Martinez from the picture, you are seriously depleting what was once considered a deep defensive core. Muzzin isn't close to the level of player Voynov was when he replaced Jack Johnson.
 
kingsfan said:
Regehr is averaging less than 19 minutes a game in Buffalo. He's not the player he was in Calgary. He's not worth a very solid young D-man plus something else.
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And Amart is averaging 17 mins a game.

Regehr may not be the same player he was in calgary, but he's still better option than what we currently have. And I agree that paying Amart + for Regehr is an overpayment, but I, unlike others think it's worth it. Besides, having 4 pmd is redundant. We definitely need a physical presence.


I'll go with the guy that has a cup ring.
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What good is a guy with a cup ring if he can't clear the front and play the physical game that Regehr can.
 
Ziggy Stardust said:
I'd wait to see how Martinez plays with the regular lineup back intact before I ever consider moving him. Have you guys not paid attention to who he has played with since returning from his injury? Keaton Ellerby. That's not going to help Martinez.

You guys are so quick to forget how great Martinez played defensively last season, especially the playoffs.
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I read somewhere that no goals were scored while Martinez was on the ice during the entire playoff run. That's dominant.
 
Black1963 said:
Reuniting Regehr with Sutter would make most sense, adding some much needed toughness on defense. As I posted on the trade forum: Regehr for Martinez + should get it done.
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Wow. No.

Not only is Martinez much more coveted than Regehr, but you want to add from the Kings side to make it happen??? Ouch.

This seems like a classic case of making a trade just to make a trade, but not improving the team at all.
 
RonSwanson said:
Wow. No.

Not only is Martinez much more coveted than Regehr, but you want to add from the Kings side to make it happen??? Ouch.

This seems like a classic case of making a trade just to make a trade, but not improving the team at all.
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Black1963 is no Dean Lombardi. But then again, no one is.
 
What's the deal with that Sekera guy they have? 2 more years and a hair under 3 million. Youngish player whom I know nothing about...
 
Ollie Weeks said:
What's the deal with that Sekera guy they have? 2 more years and a hair under 3 million. Youngish player whom I know nothing about...
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Sekera is very underrated for what he does for Buffalo. He's a great two-way defenseman, and all-situations defenseman. Plays above 20 minutes a night usually, good skater, smart puck mover, doesn't make a whole lot of mistakes. He's not very physical and he has a pretty weak shot, but he's got good vision, and is an excellent shot blocker. Biggest issue is consistency, he can have stretches of rough games, but normally rebounds in good time.

To me he is an ideal 2nd pairing defenseman at his best. I would describe him as a better version of Alec Martinez in a lot of ways. They contract they got him on right now is a bargain really.

Bottom line - 2nd pairing defenseman 25-40 point range, good first pass, good solid defensive zone work. Decent comparable? Paul Martin or Matt Carle.
 
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Black1963 said:
What good is a guy with a cup ring if he can't clear the front and play the physical game that Regehr can.
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This kind of thinking caused this team to throw away two first round picks at the 2008 draft to move up and draft a player who supposedly fit that same need.

Martinez is an excellent player, who was a solid contributor to our cup run.
 
Herby said:
This kind of thinking caused this team to throw away two first round picks at the 2008 draft to move up and draft a player who supposedly fit a need.

Martinez is an excellent player, who was a solid contributor to our cup run.
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I agree Martinez is an excellent player. A very cerebral player. So, what's your point?
 
RonSwanson said:
I read somewhere that no goals were scored while Martinez was on the ice during the entire playoff run. That's dominant.
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He was paired with Greene and playing sheltered minutes, compared to the other PMD.

He had the fewest TOI/game out of the six defensemen at 14:28. He averaged 0:24 SH TOI/game and 2:54 PP TOI/game.

Sorry, but I think Martinez is getting a bit overrated here. Muzzin's also answering the challenge put forth by the coaching staff, and has looked better and more assertive. I don't know if the injuries are affecting Martinez much, but he was unimpressive when put in a stay-at-home role at the beginning of the season with Voynov, and he hasn't been stellar as a puck mover; plus he's been getting burned in one-on-one situations.
 
We can't afford Vanek next season without sending around 5m in salary back and keeping he and Brown at the same time would be difficult. No from me.
 
Live in the Now said:
We can't afford Vanek next season without sending around 5m in salary back and keeping he and Brown at the same time would be difficult. No from me.
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I dont think that the Kings would acquire a high end player for any number of reasons but with DL we dont know what he is willing to do. For example he could offer up Williams for him. The Kings also have an excess of defensemen going into next season. Worst cast the Kings can put Mitchell on LTIR.
 
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To fit a contract such as Vanek's onto the roster, they would have to move Williams and Stoll. That then creates a hole for your #3 C, and then when the summer roles around, they have another hole to address on the roster when Penner becomes a UFA.

Vanek is a LW, and with Brown being primarily a LW nowadays, those two and Carter would form three of the top four wing positions. The top line RW spot could then be open for a player like Toffoli to earn.

However, I don't think a package of Williams and Stoll will cut it for a superstar sniper like Vanek.
 
Ziggy Stardust said:
To fit a contract such as Vanek's onto the roster, they would have to move Williams and Stoll. That then creates a hole for your #3 C, and then when the summer roles around, they have another hole to address on the roster when Penner becomes a UFA.

Vanek is a LW, and with Brown being primarily a LW nowadays, those two and Carter would form three of the top four wing positions. The top line RW spot could then be open for a player like Toffoli to earn.

However, I don't think a package of Williams and Stoll will cut it for a superstar sniper like Vanek.
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In this case I would have to agree.
 
Black1963 said:
I agree Martinez is an excellent player. A very cerebral player. So, what's your point?
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AMart and Co. knows what it takes to get into the post season and win...

DL was and is very conscious about creating that kind of winning culture, and you don't start to break it up with bringing in outside talent that lacks or has to potential to tear down what they've tried so hard to create.

Kings have never had that feeling, and now after obtaining it, you need to continue building upon it.

And in that way, the Hossa's and the Brad Richards want to sign here, because The Kings are hard to play against and have that culture instilled in every player.
 
I'm just not buying it. If it isn't a depth defensive-defenseman, we don't have a deal to make. Scoring is not our issue. Our issue is that Willie Mitchell and Matt Greene are out and we don't have any big, tough defensemen to take their place. You know who we could use right now? Colten Teubert. Or Derek Forbort, if it were possible. I was under the impression that Muzzin was more defensive-minded, but I guess I was wrong there.
 
savemefromtears said:
AMart and Co. knows what it takes to get into the post season and win...

DL was and is very conscious about creating that kind of winning culture, and you don't start to break it up with bringing in outside talent that lacks or has to potential to tear down what they've tried so hard to create.

Kings have never had that feeling, and now after obtaining it, you need to continue building upon it.

And in that way, the Hossa's and the Brad Richards want to sign here, because The Kings are hard to play against and have that culture instilled in every player.
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You're silly. You're basically saying it doesn't matter what our needs are, we keep what we have regardless since we've won the cup with our current team.

What you don't seem to understand is that we had 2 physical dmen in Mitchell and Greene when we won the cup and currently, we're seriously lacking in that department. You also don't seem to understand that having 4 pdm isn't necessary and therefore, we trade one to acquire a physical dman that we can use.

I was one of the first to say that we should trade JJ last year for Carter because we had VV who was ready to take over his place. Now, I'm basically saying that Muzzin can replace Amart. But we shall see...
 
Meanwhile, Stanislav Mosharov (member of the board of directors from “Traktor” Chelyabinsk) said, that they want to offer a contract to Slava Voynov.
http://www.sports.ru/hockey/147517991.html
In a brief translation: “Will try to get him back. We need a fresh blood in defence. We can afford him”.
I sure, that Voynon won't return to Russia. But “Russian factor” can increase his inquiries.
 
If we're going to give up Martinez, we better be getting a top 2 dman. I'm not willing to give up A-Mart for Regehr, no thanks. Give me Smid, that's who I want. Bernier and Martinez for Smid, Dubnyk and a 1st. Win-win for both teams
 
A plug third line minutes eating Defender, better not cost A-Mart.

I would fire Lombardi for a move like that.

If A-Mart is going the other way, it better be a top two defender that can eat 22 to 25 minutes.
 
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DaAnimal said:
I love pommie but it would take the world to get him. I'm talking about a top six player, top 4 d man/and or 1st round overall.

I think Myers is more feasible if we're looking at the Sabre's depth chart.
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You're not getting Myers out of Buffalo. He's still got age and potential on his side so I think most Sabres fan are going to say he can only be had for something similar to what you just listed for Pominville.

damacles1156 said:
A plug third line minutes eating Defender, better not cost A-Mart.

I would fire Lombardi for a move like that.

If A-Mart is going the other way, it better be a top two defender that can eat 22 to 25 minutes.
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Martinez alone isn't worth that much so the additional pieces you're imagining in your hypothetical deal would have to be pretty significant.

No team is going to give you something like a top two defender for a player that spent last season on the third defense pairing, and in terms of being a puck mover was behind Doughty and Voynov as option three. He was capable when he was in there, has a Cup run on his resume, and is a homegrown player, but we have to be realistic about his value.
 
"Doug Maclean of Sportsnet suggested that the Devils could be among a shortlist of teams with interest in Kings' backup goaltender Jonathan Bernier. Maclean said the Kings would want a roster player or top prospect along with a backup goaltender in any deal for Bernier. While Bernier would be a good piece to have, I think it's best for the Devils to keep what they have and wait for Keith Kinkaid and/or Scott Wedgewood to develop into NHL caliber goaltenders. Lamoriello is famous for saying "if you have time, use it" so I imagine he'll do just that. I think the Devils standing pat is the more likely option."
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Link: http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Todd...in-on-Jonathan-Bernier/159/49968#.UUHzShkyTmp

Reid Boucher + Johan Hedberg! Do it Deano!
 
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