Trade Rumors 2013 Part II
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Kings have way too many D, 9 D. As it stands if Greene and Willie came back they would have 3 healthy scratches. Of those, only 2, Drewiske and Scuderi are UFA's at seasons end and they were looking to extend Scuderi.
I just don't see us making the deal unless we send a D the other way and even then what happens next year....
Doughty-Scuderi (assuming he re-signs)
Mitchell-Voynov
Martinez-Greene
Healthy Scratches: Muzzin, Ellerby
I don't see the Kings making Muzzin a healthy scratch everyday...Ellerby...maybe.
I just don't see us making the deal unless we send a D the other way and even then what happens next year....
Doughty-Scuderi (assuming he re-signs)
Mitchell-Voynov
Martinez-Greene
Healthy Scratches: Muzzin, Ellerby
I don't see the Kings making Muzzin a healthy scratch everyday...Ellerby...maybe.
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No big deal, I was just throwing is name down somewhere. Muzzin, if he keeps it up, can hang out there instead.
He may not be able to handle second pairing minutes, either. He'd be on the third pair and play a lot of PK minutes, is my guess.
[Regehr--Scuderi] Both shoot Left (to Doughty's Right shot).
Scuderi's averaging ~2 minutes more per game than Regehr. (Although last night Scuderi only logged 12:10 over 18 shifts (and a -3). Inury? Or dog tired? Or usual minutes given to skaters with more offense?)
Anyone else notice Scud's has been on the ice for a lot of goals agaisnt this year. He hasn't looked like his old self. I believe he is a -5.
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IF Mitchell can make it back, Scuderi probably won't be here. It doesn't look good for a Mitchell return.
Am I the only one who would look in to moving AMart? As pointed out on the trade board, we have 9 d with 2 of them being hurt. Drewiske and Scuds are the only two UFAs and Scuds is sorta in contract talks from what we know. If the Kings could move AMart for a defensive defenseman that isn't just a rental, I think it's a move you consider since Muzzin is showing more offense than Alec.
It'd give us a hell of a lot of help short term but if it's for a non-rental, it means we could let Scuds walk and possibly be an upgrade depending on who we target. Then go forward with:
DD-Mitchell
Slava-Trade
Muzzin-Greene
Ellerby
Of course, this would really have to only happen if Mitchell is looked at as able to return next year at 100%.
It'd give us a hell of a lot of help short term but if it's for a non-rental, it means we could let Scuds walk and possibly be an upgrade depending on who we target. Then go forward with:
DD-Mitchell
Slava-Trade
Muzzin-Greene
Ellerby
Of course, this would really have to only happen if Mitchell is looked at as able to return next year at 100%.
Ziggy Stardust
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I'd wait to see how Martinez plays with the regular lineup back intact before I ever consider moving him. Have you guys not paid attention to who he has played with since returning from his injury? Keaton Ellerby. That's not going to help Martinez.
You guys are so quick to forget how great Martinez played defensively last season, especially the playoffs.
You guys are so quick to forget how great Martinez played defensively last season, especially the playoffs.
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I'm not saying it's just you Ziggy but people are so quick to dismiss Ellerby, but the kid is still in the lineup while Drewiske and Martinez are spending time in the pressbox. Maybe he's doing better than we think.
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Scuderi leads the league in shorthanded time-on-ice, with less games played than his nearest competitors. He has 97 minutes of shorthanded time this season. Second on our team is Doughty, with 62 minutes of shorthanded time. With Greene and Mitchell back, Scuderi would be a lot less worn down. Scuderi isn't getting the credit that he deserves, because those are some HARD minutes that he is playing.
No assist on the Cup winning goal, but he made it all happen, with his dump-and-chase.
I'm not trying to write him off or anything. I just think if we want to pursue true shut down d help and we need to move a dman, its a possibility.
Ziggy Stardust
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Look at the dilemma the Kings have with their blueline coming up this season and next.
Scuderi and Drewiske will be UFAs come July 1. Next year, both Mitchell and Greene will become UFAs. The Kings will also have to re-sign Voynov and Martinez who will both be RFAs this summer, as will Muzzin and Ellerby.
Worst case scenario, Scuderi walks as a free agent, the Kings bid adieu to Drewiske, leaving a blueline of Doughty, Mitchell, Voynov, Martinez, Greene, Muzzin, Ellerby. Not much depth there. And if they run into some injury problems, as we've seen this season, they're going to be hurting.
They don't move Martinez unless they bring a defenseman back, and that player would not be a rental. Martinez had some setbacks this season, mainly due to injuries, and he has struggled at times, but he's still 25 and a regular part of this roster. He's been without his regular defense partner all season long and has had to play with a rotating cast of players. We've seen every defenseman go through similar swings this season, including Doughty and more recently, Scuderi.
If the Kings did decide to move Martinez, they're either getting another defenseman in return or making a significant upgrade elsewhere on the roster. And the only way that'll happen is if they are sold on Muzzin becoming his eventual replacement, and if they have somebody in line to step in on the blueline. Otherwise, it would be foolish to part with Martinez at this stage of where the team is at.
Scuderi and Drewiske will be UFAs come July 1. Next year, both Mitchell and Greene will become UFAs. The Kings will also have to re-sign Voynov and Martinez who will both be RFAs this summer, as will Muzzin and Ellerby.
Worst case scenario, Scuderi walks as a free agent, the Kings bid adieu to Drewiske, leaving a blueline of Doughty, Mitchell, Voynov, Martinez, Greene, Muzzin, Ellerby. Not much depth there. And if they run into some injury problems, as we've seen this season, they're going to be hurting.
They don't move Martinez unless they bring a defenseman back, and that player would not be a rental. Martinez had some setbacks this season, mainly due to injuries, and he has struggled at times, but he's still 25 and a regular part of this roster. He's been without his regular defense partner all season long and has had to play with a rotating cast of players. We've seen every defenseman go through similar swings this season, including Doughty and more recently, Scuderi.
If the Kings did decide to move Martinez, they're either getting another defenseman in return or making a significant upgrade elsewhere on the roster. And the only way that'll happen is if they are sold on Muzzin becoming his eventual replacement, and if they have somebody in line to step in on the blueline. Otherwise, it would be foolish to part with Martinez at this stage of where the team is at.
This is exactly what I was suggesting. Not looking at moving him for the sake of moving but moving him to make the team better if they feel Muzzin can somewhat replace him. Plus we have Forbort and Deslauriers that could still pan out to being NHL level puck movers but that should have less of an impact on trading AMart.
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Not only is Smid a UFA, as others have said, but I doubt Edmonton would move that 1st. Right now it is roughly 8th overall. Muzzin and Bernier are good pieces for sure, but not worth a top 10 pick.
Fitzpatrick was due a $3 million roster bonus the next day. It's pretty typical for teams to release guys the day before on situations like that, especially since free agency started I think the following day as well.
Regehr is averaging less than 19 minutes a game in Buffalo. He's not the player he was in Calgary. He's not worth a very solid young D-man plus something else.
Unless he comes with a contract extension, he is a rental.
I'll go with the guy that has a cup ring.
Herby
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Regehr for Martinez is a terrible deal for the Kings. This isn't 2007 anymore, Regehr's best days are well behind him.
Plus, other than Mitchell how many of the old guys Dean has brought in have worked? Blake and Smyth were disasters, Gagne didn't work out neither did Modin.
Don't see Regehr fitting in here.
Plus, other than Mitchell how many of the old guys Dean has brought in have worked? Blake and Smyth were disasters, Gagne didn't work out neither did Modin.
Don't see Regehr fitting in here.
Whiskeypete
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i say DL can move AMart now that Muzzin is emerging. the situation now is the same as last season with JJ. the only difference is 2 and 33 being out of the line up. right now they are lean due to injuries. anybody goes down like AMart did and then its back to Campbell or Bodnarchuk.
putting AMart into play lets Dean make a move by using what is a strength to LA, the depth at D. i like AMart and the kid is only going to get better. this season to me is an anomaly, due to the lockout and his injury overseas. then throw in the ever changing D partner situation and it isn't any surprise he hasn't got back to last years form.
JB, AMart, King and Nolan are imo the guys in play for DL. everyone else is likely untouchable, except for a high cost. a few like Fraser, Wiskie and Richie are also in play but likely don't garner much interest or value.
a combo package of JB and AMart would net a very nice return for LA. the back up situation would be addressed in the move, or Dean would make a move on another veteran G for one of his picks.
he doesn't have to make a move with AMart, but it is possible with Muzzin's emergence. yes its been 20 games, but a similar call was made last year on Voynov. sometimes you have to take that chance and make a deal when you have the leverage. Dean has this now, so it won't surprise me to see him make a move with the D men involved.
long term i still see Greene in the picture and being re-signed. there is still mileage in Greener and his mean streak is sorely missed now. he will still be that guy for a few more years. he brings all the assets a very good stay at home brings to a team. LA needs him and he needs to help mentor the new guys.
Willie is still signed through next season, but who knows what will happen there. at this point i look at him as being gone permanently, which is very unfortunate. the guy is a stud and a "glue" type of guy that makes everything/everyone around him come together. no matter what happens Willie will be done after next season, there is just no room for him.
Scuderi as of lately, it is hard to say. his play is diminishing most likely to over use. his re-signing will be decided down the stretch. before this year i would say re-sign him, but there is to much talent that is being held back. i think LA parts ways with Rob over the summer.
i think TG a few weeks back posted a schedule time frame for the MAN kids. this will help determine how DL moves between now and over the summer. there is a lot of decisions to be made and it will likely mean more changes on the blue line.
in 2 to 3 years the guys i see on the LA blue line for sure are - DD, VV, and Greene. a fourth spot will be either Muzzin or AMart, one of the two will be moved. this leaves 2 spots for what looks to be 7 guys to compete for (Ellerby, DesL, Campbell, Kolomatis, Forbort, Roach and Gravel). the last three guys may be further out, it's hard to speculate. if memory serves a few people that have seen both Gravel and Forbort live recently, predict Gravel will be ready first.
Dean has A LOT of options on defense. i don't think other than someone to fill the short term need of 'stay at home' defenseman, which he got already with Ellerby that Dean necessarily needs to trade for a D. hopefully Greene is back soon as reports indicate before the POs begin. this gives them plenty of D depth. Dean can make a move if the right one comes along and move a JB + AMart package
DD - signed until eternity
WM - UFA after 2013-14, may not return to fulfill contract
Scuds - UFA this summer, re-sign? release?
Greene - UFA after 2013-14, re-signed to a 2-3 deal
Voynov - RFA this summer, re-signed
AMart - RFA this summer, trade? re-signed if not moved
Ellerby - RFA this summer, should be re-signed short term for depth and analysis
Muzzin - RFA this summer, re-sign
Wiskie - UFA this summer, let him walk? emergency depth player in the long term would be the reason to bring him back
MAN
DesLauriers - RFA after 2013-2014
Bodnarchuk - UFA this summer, MAN depth, emergency LA depth
Campbell - RFA after 2013-2014
Kolomatis - RFA this summer
Prospects
Forbort - ?
Gravel - ?
Roach - ?
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etherialone
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Regehr has lost a step. He is not the same player that he was when he went to Buffalo a year ago. He isn't terrible like Redden but he isn't RR any longer either.
Martinez for him would be a terrible terrible deal for us. If we were to go after RR it would be a mid rd pick going the other way or something of equal value. The real value that RR has is the fact that he is a rental and we have two injured soldiers. That's about it.
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I don't think anyone said anything about AMart for Regehr. If we're trading Regehr, it'll be for prospects/picks. Plus trading AMart needs a real, substantial upgrade over Alec and Robyn isn't really. Not worth AMart and we all know that.
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