Rumor: Trade Rumor/Speculation Thread XXVII: Viva la St.Louis! [Mod Warning post #1]

[AHB*]

Thought about that too, but if I'm FLA with Gudbrandson already there, I really want Skjei. I'm a big fan and would prefer to keep him over every prospect you named (except for MAYBE Fast), but I'd include any of them as the prospect piece - gotta give to get.

I'd include Fast. He will be a very solid player, ala Lindberg, but i don't see him being that high end winger.

As long as we're keeping one of Skjei or Allen, I'm rather fine with it. I think they're both somewhat similar players and i think they'll both be successful NHL'rs. Although I think Skjei has the talent to be a star.

I loved how he played in the WJC this year.

Regardless, there are very few untouchables I'd have in regards to acquiring a center like that.

 

[Killem Dafoe]

Hahaha. Fair point. No, disagree that he'd be an appropriate centerpiece of the deal. Barkov OOZES potential, but McD is already a legit #1D. Florida would need to add IMO - and I don't see the Rangers making the deal in any case.

How about Stepan, Skjei and Kristo?

Stepan slots in behind Huberdeau, Skjei gives them a stud LH defenseman who may well develop into a McDonagh-type and Kristo gives them a scoring winger (whom they can give the necessary 80 NHL games required to retain his rights).

I am pretty high on Kristo and most likely in the minority there, but I would still do that deal. You have to. Other than McDonagh and Hank you need to trade who you can to land him. I'm assuming Dale Tallon wouldn't ask for Hank though, but he would most likely start with McDonagh or no deal.

If he did ask for Stepan, you have to pull the trigger on that.

 

[Gardner McKay]

Absolutely. I can do that deal and keep both Skjei and Fast? Sign me up.

Why does Florida do this? 2c + 2 b level prospects + mid to late first? I doubt that gets it done

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Grigorenko would be a more realistic option than Barkov imo. I thought I read he doesn't like Buff to much

 

[AHB*]

38..get your facts straight

I know how old he is, he turns 39 in June. He's old.

Trading for a player that was just taken second overall in a relatively deep draft, who's already playing in the NHL at the age of 18 isn't ballsy, it's a pipe dream.

Tyler Seguin? Filip Forsberg. Again, these kinds of things happen. Barkov was an example. There are other centers, as I listed, that could be potential targets as well, if our GM grew some balls.

But we can just trade for MSL, buyout richards and sign Stastny to a nice fat contract that will allow us to repeat our brilliant success of second round exits for the next decade!

 

[bernmeister]

Think I speak for the majority when I say:

How we want the Callahan situation resolved:

1. Trade before the deadline.
2. View as "our rental" and walks for nothing or is dealt as UFA rights for a mid-draft pick.


















3. Re-signs for 6x$7

Flip 2 + 3 please.
His UFA rights are minimal, and I see best case for us is SCF.
But we get crushed vs likely Ana or StL., and prob lose to Kings/Chicago.

So I want assets for Cally.
If we have to pay through the nose to put him under contract before we flip him, and even if we have to eat $1mil in cap per year on his deal, at least we will get a real and meaningful return.

Of course, if someone wants to go all out this year on a rental, that's preferable and good enuf for me.

 

[Killem Dafoe]

no. HF is just being HF.

I know, right? Like what is this? Some sort of thread to discuss trades on a website designed specifically to talk about hockey?

 

[AHB*]

Grigorenko would be a more realistic option than Barkov imo. I thought I read he doesn't like Buff to much

I think Grigs could be had for much cheaper then Barkov, probably stating the obvious here.

He's someone i would CERTAINLY be targeting if i was a GM.

My package would obviously be less for him though, then Barkov.

I think you could get away with something centered around Brass or Hags.

 

[Killem Dafoe]

Grigorenko would be a more realistic option than Barkov imo. I thought I read he doesn't like Buff to much

I feel like Grigorenko could be had for the right price.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

enlightening

Apparently the old, tired thinking remaining the same and the players names changing is enlightening enough for you.

 

[bernmeister]

We already have our #1 RD, but yeah, I'd love Pysyk. The guy is a stud already.

But why would Buffalo do that? Pysyk is one of the young cornerstones of a rebuilding team so they'd trade him to us for a rental in Callahan and a 2014 first when they already have what? 3 first rounders?

I'd rather have Pysyk than our first rounder. Sorry

Do you mean Ehrhoff?

No, I mean Pysyk.
And the premise as explained is Buf is willing to give top $ and assumes he will be available -- a reasonable expectation.

But if obtaining Cally for Letang who maybe can't play this year at min, possibly thereafter, this gives Pens something for now, works vs their top contender in East (us), and improves their push in finals vs West.

So that scenario is not 100% Pens re-sign Callahan, but he might take a little less for slightly shorter term to play with Malkin.

In that construct, Sabes have to bid.
We make it easy, no overpay, just a throw in.
If we get Pysyk for a 1st, we can send Cally home.

 

[stan the caddy]

I know how old he is, he turns 39 in June. He's old.



Tyler Seguin? Filip Forsberg. Again, these kinds of things happen. Barkov was an example. There are other centers, as I listed, that could be potential targets as well, if our GM grew some balls.

But we can just trade for MSL, buyout richards and sign Stastny to a nice fat contract that will allow us to repeat our brilliant success of second round exits for the next decade!

Seguin got traded because they were too deep to play him at center. Florida is nothing like Boston. Barkov is cheap and obviously they value him very highly because they just drafted him second overall.

 

[AHB*]

No, I mean Pysyk.
And the premise as explained is Buf is willing to give top $ and assumes he will be available -- a reasonable expectation.

But if obtaining Cally for Letang who maybe can't play this year at min, possibly thereafter, this gives Pens something for now, works vs their top contender in East (us), and improves their push in finals vs West.

So that scenario is not 100% Pens re-sign Callahan, but he might take a little less for slightly shorter term to play with Malkin.

In that construct, Sabes have to bid.
We make it easy, no overpay, just a throw in.
If we get Pysyk for a 1st, we can send Cally home.

Why are we trading for a D-Man. We have a good defense. If we're going to give up a 1st, it should only be for a center.

 

[AHB*]

Seguin got traded because they were too deep to play him at center. Florida is nothing like Boston. Barkov is cheap and obviously they value him very highly because they just drafted him second overall.

Whatever, trades like this happen. It's not impossible. How about Filip Forsberg, why was he traded?

If you offer up a package, you can get people to listen.

I guarantee if you say Stepan or kreider are available for those types of centers AND We're willing to add, significantly, that teams would listen. You seem so intent on Barkov too, he was just an example that we all used to go off of. Go back a page and look at that list of players i had.

Or, you can just keep being a naysayer.

We can just sit here and discuss Stasnty and MSL, like you want, for the last 90 threads. Routine moves that this team has been making for two decades.

I love seeing the banners at MSG that reflect all the great teams we had in the early 1900's!

 

[Trojanman03]

Apparently the old, tired thinking remaining the same and the players names changing is enlightening enough for you.

I asked a serious question. Whos gonna play for them? Im not advocating getting anyone of stastny or vanek or resigning cally. If you actually read what I write you would know I don't want cally resigned.

 

[RGY]

Whatever, trades like this happen. It's not impossible. How about Filip Forsberg, why was he traded?

If you offer up a package, you can get people to listen.

I guarantee if you say Stepan or kreider are available for those types of centers AND We're willing to add, significantly, that teams would listen.

But we can just sit here and discuss Stasnty and MSL. Routine moves that this team has been making for two decades.

I love seeing the banners at MSG that reflect all the great teams we had in the early 1900's!

Why are we trading Kreider? Stepan too? Because were too damn impatient? Oh wait thats only certain people here.

 

[Gardner McKay]

Whatever, trades like this happen. It's not impossible. How about Filip Forsberg, why was he traded?

If you offer up a package, you can get people to listen.

I guarantee if you say Stepan or kreider are available for those types of centers AND We're willing to add, significantly, that teams would listen. You seem so intent on Barkov too, he was just an example that we all used to go off of. Go back a page and look at that list of players i had.

Or, you can just keep being a naysayer.

We can just sit here and discuss Stasnty and MSL, like you want, for the last 90 threads. Routine moves that this team has been making for two decades.

I love seeing the banners at MSG that reflect all the great teams we had in the early 1900's!

Forsberg was taken what 17th overall? Not 2nd.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Why are we trading Kreider? Stepan too? Because were too damn impatient? Oh wait thats only certain people here.

Only for a upgrade at the center position, no one is mentioning them other than an upgrade at 1C.

 

[aufheben]

People always quip "#1 centers don't grow on trees!". He's just brainstorming options that don't include overpaying for Stastny or trading for MSL.

 

[AHB*]

Why are we trading Kreider? Stepan too? Because were too damn impatient? Oh wait thats only certain people here.

No, because neither is going to turn into a #1 Center, which has held this team back for two decades. But i figured at least one person would pop up to defend them. As I said, I think both of these guys could be part of the solution, but this team will not win without a #1C. And to get one, you need to trade guys who are quality. They're not going to give us them for an expiring Callahan or a Brassard.

Forsberg was taken what 17th overall? Not 2nd.

11th Overall. He's going to be a fantastic player. He was elite in the WJC this year.

 

[stan the caddy]

Whatever, trades like this happen. It's not impossible. How about Filip Forsberg, why was he traded?

If you offer up a package, you can get people to listen.

I guarantee if you say Stepan or kreider are available for those types of centers AND We're willing to add, significantly, that teams would listen.

But we can just sit here and discuss Stasnty and MSL. Routine moves that this team has been making for two decades.

I love seeing the banners at MSG that reflect all the great teams we had in the early 1900's!

I'm sorry but Forsberg is not on that level. The Panthers just drafted Barkov ahead of names like Drouin and Jones. They REALLY like him.

People talk about MSL because it's very realistic and it makes the team better in the immediate future.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

I expect we get MSL in the off season for a package thats not very good.. TB wont move him now because they are in the midst of a race.

 

[AHB*]

I'm sorry but Forsberg is not on that level. The Panthers just drafted Barkov ahead of names like Drouin and Jones. They REALLY like him.

People talk about MSL because it's very realistic and it makes the team better in the immediate future.

Well, I don't think that's the right move and people are free to disagree. But I'm also free to tlak about what I think are the right moves for this team.

You're right, Forsberg isn't on the Barkov level and I'm not advocating trading Stepan or Kreider for them. But maybe we put together a different type of package for him. He still projects as a potential #1. He's just not as surefire as a Barkov.

Forsberg is just another example too. You're nitpicking everything I say. I'm just showing you it's possible.

I don't think it would be impossible to get Grigorenko out of Buffalo, do you?

 

[bernmeister]

Why are we trading for a D-Man. We have a good defense. If we're going to give up a 1st, it should only be for a center.

We should be more concerned about the total amount of quality return we get.

If we have an overage of talent in one area, we can eventually flip it for something complementary.

But key is to add depth to high talent level.
Pysyk improves our D = 1st pair complement to McD and Buf, with Risto +, can afford to let him go.
Normally 1st for Pysyk is total NEVER for Sabes, but w/Cally as throw in this defeats any reasonable chance he might get seduced by others in FA.

Cally as a rental exclusively is expensive.
Sabes are only ones looking at his $ and years.

We need an acceptable bid from one or the other.
Buf is worth a shot. We will flip Stepan + for an upgrade at C when we have a chance.
Now that Girardi is settled, let's focus on Cally.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

Can you give an example of what you think creative would be? What players?

I can't. I don't know who is available. But it would be refreshing to see something that's not predictable.