Rumor: Trade Rumor/Speculation Thread XXVII: Viva la St.Louis! [Mod Warning post #1]

[Gardner McKay]

Try to fill it from within via our own prospects or a trade?

FA is almost never the answer. FA should be used for that "final piece", or for quality depth.

Stastny is neither. Stastny is the exact type of player you should avoid at all costs in FA.

A good player that is going to be paid like an elite player.

Every year, there are chances to acquire a young playmaker. Seguin is a good example last year. ROR two years ago (although he didn't get moved).

We need to take advantage of one of these opportunities.

Ok I'll bite. How do we make that trade without gutting the roster. We don't have a prospect that can be. Drafting one isn't in the cards. Lundqvist had 3-4 elite years left. What do we do?

 

[AHB*]

This term #1 center always gets tossed about, I'm not sure there is a consensus on what it constitutes.

Here are the top 30 scorers at center, a few of these guys have been playing primarily the wing. http://www.nhl.com/ice/playerstats....&position=C&country=&status=&viewName=summary

Which of these guys are #1's? I can see about 15-20 guys that hf might consider to be #1 pivots. But production-wise, Richards is technically a 1B center. Stepan a middle #2, Brassard a middle #2.

I'm talking about a good #1 C. We have about 3 #2's in my opinion. Richards will be gone next season, we all know that. And he's not a viable #1 anymore, yet he's arguably the closest thing we have.

As I've discussed earlier on, not one team has won the cup since the lockout without an elite #1C, unless you're going to say Bergeron isn't elite.

But both Bergeron and Kreicji are far better then anything the Rangers employ.

 

[Killem Dafoe]

Different prices for different guys. Obviously proven ones like Seguin,. Barkov, etc. will cost way more, as we saw this past off-season. For one of the prospects like Forsberg, we might be able to get a smaller deal.

For Barkov I'd Offer:

Brassard
1 of (Fast, Kristo, Allen, McIlrath, Lindberg)
1 Of (Bourque, Hrivik, St. Croix, Etc)
1st Round Pick

Might have to give more. For the higher end of these guys, I wouldn't be opposed to trading Miller (although I am very high on him, higher then most) or Hagelin. The packages would change obviously, but I think a good starting point would be

Roster Player
High end Prospect
Middling Prospect
1st.



1st

Let's say Brassard + Allen + Bourque + 1st

Tallon would laugh and hang up pretty quick.

You just don't make an offer for a guy like that without starting with Kreider or McDonagh. Which is why we shouldn't be worried about trying to trade for a Barkov or a Granlund right now.

 

[Mac n Gs]

I'd like to see them kick the tires on trying to get Patrik Berglund, if they're planning on buying out Richards. Keeping Brassard would be nice too because he has the flexibility to move to the wing.

Stepan
Berglund/Brass
Brass/Miller
Moore/Boyle

It's not the best group, but each player is very efficient in their own way. Hags and Berglund would be a better combo than Hags and Richards

 

[Trojanman03]

I don't know. Maybe it will fall in the front office to start getting creative instead of just buying the sexy name....

My worry is that by the time the front office learns how to do this our best players will be past there prime. I can see it now the rangers finally get there #1C and lundy is 38, G is broken down, and staal is a shell of his former self

 

[Fitzy]

I'd trade Kreider for Barkov. I'd have to duck past all the anvils his fanboys threw at me, but I'd do that deal in a heartbeat.

 

[Matt4776]

Ok I'll bite. How do we make that trade without gutting the roster. We don't have a prospect that can be. Drafting one isn't in the cards. Lundqvist had 3-4 elite years left. What do we do?

I wonder how Dallas is staying alive without Erikkson. How would we have lived without Del Zotto (the rumored asking price of ROR)?

We have a LOT of young talent on this team, contrary to popular belief.

 

[AHB*]

Ok I'll bite. How do we make that trade without gutting the roster. We don't have a prospect that can be. Drafting one isn't in the cards. Lundqvist had 3-4 elite years left. What do we do?

Offer up a good roster player, Brassard or Hags.
Mixture of prospects, even ones we like.
1st round pick, maybe even add a 2nd or third if needed.

Be shrewd. It's made San Jose successful for the past decade by doing that with Thornton. Dallas is looking pretty with Seguin this year and in the future. Nashville has a great prospect in Forsberg.

It happens. It's tough, but it happens. Hell, we saw it with McD, although that was more of a fleecing. But if you ask, who knows, maybe you step in **** and get an idiot GM. If not, pony up the value and swallow that tough pill.

Getting Barkov or Girgensons while they're 20 years old might get us a cup. Hagelin is a nice player, but he's not going to lead us there.

I'd offer guys up in a package for these high end, young "prospect" centers.

We have Miller, Stepan and Brassard, all young, quality centers, likely will be good #2's for quite some time. WHy not package one for a guy who projects as a #1.

 

[OverTheCap]

I think a #1C should be a good all-around player in addition to possessing elite skill/vision and play a solid defensive game at the very least. Richards is lacking in this department and therefore is less versatile than many other top centers in the league. I would consider someone like Backes or Bergeron to be more valuable than him even though production-wise they are all somewhat similar.

 

[AHB*]

I'd trade Kreider for Barkov. I'd have to duck past all the anvils his fanboys threw at me, but I'd do that deal in a heartbeat.

I would too, but I was afraid of the harassment I'd get for saying that.

I'd even add slightly to Kreider.

 

[Gardner McKay]

I don't know. Maybe it will fall in the front office to start getting creative instead of just buying the sexy name....

Can you give an example of what you think creative would be? What players?

 

[Matt4776]

I'd trade Kreider for Barkov. I'd have to duck past all the anvils his fanboys threw at me, but I'd do that deal in a heartbeat.

Easily. No question.

We should be able to replace a top-6 LW eventually with Duclair+Buch really impressing. We don't have any #1C prospects.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

Let's say Brassard + Allen + Bourque + 1st

Tallon would laugh and hang up pretty quick.

You just don't make an offer for a guy like that without starting with Kreider or McDonagh. Which is why we shouldn't be worried about trying to trade for a Barkov or a Granlund right now.

I disagree about McDonagh. Kreider, yes.

I'd trade Kreider for Barkov. I'd have to duck past all the anvils his fanboys threw at me, but I'd do that deal in a heartbeat.

I would too, but I was afraid of the harassment I'd get for saying that.

I'd even add slightly to Kreider.

Easily. No question.

We should be able to replace a top-6 LW eventually with Duclair+Buch really impressing. We don't have any #1C prospects.

Yeah, I'm a huge Kreider fan and I'd make that move too. I view him as a core piece, but easier to replace than the #1C. It would be a net step forward.

 

[AHB*]

Can you give an example of what you think creative would be? What players?

We're discussing it right on this page

Ok, so that package does seem low for Barkov.

Would people trade Stepan for one of those guys.

I'd probably do something like

Stepan + Prospect + 2nd for Barkov.

Barkov
Miller/Brassard
Brassard/Miller

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

See this is the problem.. we want s young center? Yet we think our prospects will.Do it.. how many are willing to give up a kreider, a stepan, a miller?? That's what ur looking at it taking

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

The are so many different paths the Rangers could take in the next few days.

All of the speculation and discussions here about what the Rangers should do with Callahan, who they should trade or sign is great, but kind of scary because I believe this team is at a very critical juncture.

It's all up to the management of this club who makes the big bucks, and Glen Sather, to figure all of this out - which is not a comforting thought for me.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

We're discussing it right on this page

Ok, so that package does seem low for Barkov.

Would people trade Stepan for one of those guys.

I'd probably do something like

Stepan + Prospect + 2nd for Barkov.

Barkov
Miller/Brassard
Brassard/Miller

Even better. If you can make that deal, do it.

Can you imagine a top line of Kreider-Barkov-Nash?

 

[Matt4776]

Florida's owner is an ex-Ranger fan correct? Get the man on the line.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

I am a HUGE Kreider fan but I could stomach trading him for Barkov. That is the kind of ballsy, team building trade that the Rangers just don't make.

 

[Gardner McKay]

Offer up a good roster player, Brassard or Hags.
Mixture of prospects, even ones we like.
1st round pick, maybe even add a 2nd or third if needed.

Be shrewd. It's made San Jose successful for the past decade by doing that with Thornton. Dallas is looking pretty with Seguin this year and in the future. Nashville has a great prospect in Forsberg.

It happens. It's tough, but it happens. Hell, we saw it with McD, although that was more of a fleecing. But if you ask, who knows, maybe you step in **** and get an idiot GM. If not, pony up the value and swallow that tough pill.

Getting Barkov or Girgensons while they're 20 years old might get us a cup. Hagelin is a nice player, but he's not going to lead us there.

I'd offer guys up in a package for these high end, young "prospect" centers.

We have Miller, Stepan and Brassard, all young, quality centers, likely will be good #2's for quite some time. WHy not package one for a guy who projects as a #1.

Brassard miller 1st 2nd? Sure. Convince Tallon to do that.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

I actually think we have done quite well lately. Signed mcd and G to good value long term deals, as much as I hated the gaborik trade, brassard is growing on me. Lets not screw it up paying almost 40M to Callahan

 

[AHB*]

I can't believe how many people are agreeing to trade Kreider for these guys.

I think that's the kind of ballsy move we need.

As many of you said, a winger is much easier to replace then a center.

Plus, I think our wings are actually very solid. Zucc, Nash, Hags, (who knows what happens with Cally).

Say we traded Kreider, Prospect, 2nd for Barkov or, someone of the like.

Hags - Barkov - Zucc/Nash
Who Goes Here - Stepan - Nash/Zucc
Pouliot - Brassard/Miller - Miller/Brassard
Boyle - Moore - Carcillo/Dorsett

I like that a lot better.

 

[Killem Dafoe]

I disagree about McDonagh. Kreider, yes.

Disagree that they would ask for him?

 

[*Bob Richards*]

ditch callahan buyout richards sign stasny and then mayb a vanek or a gaborick or heatley if they take a reasonable salary no where what they make now we hav cap space
after stasny the best center out there is ollo jokinen and david legwand no where near a number 1 center

No to Gaborik and Heatley. One is never healthy and the other hasn't had any knees in years.

 

[GregSirico]

I'd trade Kreider for Barkov. I'd have to duck past all the anvils his fanboys threw at me, but I'd do that deal in a heartbeat.

Oof .. I love CK ... but man that deal ...