Rumor: Trade Rumor/Speculation Thread XXVII: Viva la St.Louis! [Mod Warning post #1]

[Infinitum Vitae*]

So what's the latest news? Colorado trading Stastny? Anything new on MSL? Callahan?

“It has not effected his play. This request came in January after he was left of Canada and his play has been outstanding. He has scored in all but one or two games. He has 4 goals in two games, on the verge of another 30 goal seaosn. There is no season in the world you would disrupt what is going* on with this team and trade Marty St. Louis.†(Erik Erlendsson on 98.7 Tampa Radio)

Erlendsson says that nothing has changed with St. Louis’* situation this season other than not making Team Canada so that has to be the root of the request.

 

[AHB*]

my problem with Callahan is not the overpay in money, its that he's not worth it because he doesn't put up points and he will get injured. Stastny can put up points and continues to do so and doesn't get hurt and plays a position we need badly. Unless we DRAFT one or trade Mcdonagh for one, how do you expect to get any kind of upgrade at Center?

Trading McD for a #1C opens up just as massive a hole on this team as it would be filling.

Glen needs to make some shrewd trades for up and comers. Overpay with some picks, prospects and roster players to get one.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Trading McD for a #1C opens up just as massive a hole on this team as it would be filling.

Glen needs to make some shrewd trades for up and comers. Overpay with some picks, prospects and roster players to get one.

I agree, but thats the only way we are going to get a real established #1 center.

Your 2nd point requires a smart GM...

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Stastny is a much better player than Callahan and plays a much more vital position. Stastny at 7 or Callahan at 6+ is a no brainer for me.. especially when Callahan will likely end up the 3rd best RW on this team, and Stastny will be the best C the Rangers have.

Which isn't saying much.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Which isn't saying much.

Top centers dont hit the market, and the Rangers can't draft them, so what is your plan?

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Top centers dont hit the market, and the Rangers can't draft them, so what is your plan?

To not sign the flawed centers that do hit the market.

Use the overwhelming amount of your draft picks on C's and LW's.

Don't follow up a sound decision with a shoddy one in the name of having to "replace" something.

 

[cd211]

we should look to for a bold trade cally, staal, Brass, conditional pick for Kesler, edler and whatever other player does it.. other then that top 6 centers are available as rare as snow in the desert..

get a pmd and top 6 center

 

[goobcat]

ditch callahan buyout richards sign stasny and then mayb a vanek or a gaborick or heatley if they take a reasonable salary no where what they make now we hav cap space
after stasny the best center out there is ollo jokinen and david legwand no where near a number 1 center

 

[AHB*]

I agree, but thats the only way we are going to get a real established #1 center.

Your 2nd point requires a smart GM...

Yea, but i mean you can't do that. You don't need a full-on established #1 like Kopitar, although that would be nice. What this team needs is guys who project to be #1's and have a chance to reach that.

Seguin
Girgensons
Granlund
Galchenyuk
Barkov
Kuznetsov
Strome
Hertl
Bjugstad
Lindholm
Monahan
Forsberg
Scheifele

I'm not saying all these guys will become number ones. But we need some in our system. There's enough out there. Glen should be calling on EVERY SINGLE ONE and seeing what the price is. If we need to give up a good prospect, roster player and pick to do so, you do it. It is our major issue.

Of course, it's a risk, but it's one you need to take. Be shrewd and hope you strike gold. Maybe you even find an idiot GM like Gainey who gives you him for a low price, or like GMGM did with Forseberg.

Regardless, I would not be opposed to overpaying. I see all these major packages for Kesler and MSL, if we're going to give up a fat package, it should be for someone like this, that could potentially anchor our top line for the next decade. Not someone that will be retired in a handful of years or injured more then Callahan.

 

[goobcat]

mayb even a dan boyle

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

ditch callahan buyout richards sign stasny and then mayb a vanek or a gaborick or heatley if they take a reasonable salary no where what they make now we hav cap space
after stasny the best center out there is ollo jokinen and david legwand no where near a number 1 center

So....more of the same.

I'd rather go with Stepan/Brassard than sign Stastny, who will be eaten alive here.

 

[AHB*]

ditch callahan buyout richards sign stasny and then mayb a vanek or a gaborick or heatley if they take a reasonable salary no where what they make now we hav cap space
after stasny the best center out there is ollo jokinen and david legwand no where near a number 1 center

Lol, heatley? This isn't 2005.

No to Gaborik and Vanek either. We have enough wingers. We need a good center.

 

[AHB*]

mayb even a dan boyle

You're proposing everything the Rangers have done wrong over the past 20 years.

Signing old veterans to overpaid contracts only to watch them deteriorate in front of our eyes.

You're going to buyout Richards and pay Heatley and Dan Boyle LOL.

Have you been watching games the past 10 years. I'd love that idea in 2005 though. Seriously.

 

[Matt4776]

It is about bang for your buck. Stastny and Callahan are looking for similar contracts. Stastny provides more offense. That is what we need. He the closest thing to a #1 center we will be able to find. I hope you can spare me the drivel that I hear from other people about wanting to draft and develop a #1. That could be a long time in the making. Fact is, Stepan has not played like a #1 this year. He is a better #2. Brassard is a perfect #3. We can trade Brassard for assets and let Miller replace him when ready.

Id rather overpay for a borderline #1 center than a player who has been relegated to a 3rd liner.

We could just... Not overpay for either?

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Yea, but i mean you can't do that. You don't need a full-on established #1 like Kopitar, although that would be nice. What this team needs is guys who project to be #1's and have a chance to reach that.

Seguin
Girgensons
Granlund
Galchenyuk
Barkov
Kuznetsov
Strome
Hertl
Bjugstad
Lindholm
Monahan
Forsberg
Scheifele

I'm not saying all these guys will become number ones. But we need some in our system. There's enough out there. Glen should be calling on EVERY SINGLE ONE and seeing what the price is. If we need to give up a good prospect, roster player and pick to do so, you do it. It is our major issue.

Of course, it's a risk, but it's one you need to take. Be shrewd and hope you strike gold. Maybe you even find an idiot GM like Gainey who gives you him for a low price, or like GMGM did with Forseberg.

Regardless, I would not be opposed to overpaying. I see all these major packages for Kesler and MSL, if we're going to give up a fat package, it should be for someone like this, that could potentially anchor our top line for the next decade. Not someone that will be retired in a handful of years or injured more then Callahan.

What kind of package do you think it would take to acquire any of them?

 

[Fitzy]

Trading McD for a #1C opens up just as massive a hole on this team as it would be filling.

Glen needs to make some shrewd trades for up and comers. Overpay with some picks, prospects and roster players to get one.

This term #1 center always gets tossed about, I'm not sure there is a consensus on what it constitutes.

Here are the top 30 scorers at center, a few of these guys have been playing primarily the wing. http://www.nhl.com/ice/playerstats....&position=C&country=&status=&viewName=summary

Which of these guys are #1's? I can see about 15-20 guys that hf might consider to be #1 pivots. But production-wise, Richards is technically a 1B center. Stepan a middle #2, Brassard a middle #2.

 

[Trojanman03]

So the rangers shouldn't sign cally, they should buyout Richie, and shouldn't go after stastny or vanek in the offseason......so whos gonna be playing those mins?

 

[Gardner McKay]

We could just... Not overpay for either?

With Richards being bought out and Stepan/ brassard not being prime for 1st line duty, I'd argue he fills a need.

 

[Matt4776]

This term #1 center always gets tossed about, I'm not sure there is a consensus on what it constitutes.

Here are the top 30 scorers at center, a few of these guys have been playing primarily the wing. http://www.nhl.com/ice/playerstats....&position=C&country=&status=&viewName=summary

Which of these guys are #1's? I can see about 15-20 guys that hf might consider to be #1 pivots. But production-wise, Richards is technically a 1B center. Stepan a middle #2, Brassard a middle #2.

On this site, it means somebody that can be a #1C on a winning team. An above-average 1st line center I guess. So top 15 in production?

 

[Matt4776]

What do we do for a #1 C?

Try to fill it from within via our own prospects or a trade?

FA is almost never the answer. FA should be used for that "final piece", or for quality depth.

Stastny is neither. Stastny is the exact type of player you should avoid at all costs in FA.

A good player that is going to be paid like an elite player.

Every year, there are chances to acquire a young playmaker. Seguin is a good example last year. ROR two years ago (although he didn't get moved).

We need to take advantage of one of these opportunities.

 

[AHB*]

What kind of package do you think it would take to acquire any of them?

Different prices for different guys. Obviously proven ones like Seguin,. Barkov, etc. will cost way more, as we saw this past off-season. For one of the prospects like Forsberg, we might be able to get a smaller deal.

For Barkov I'd Offer:

Brassard
1 of (Fast, Kristo, Allen, McIlrath, Lindberg)
1 Of (Bourque, Hrivik, St. Croix, Etc)
1st Round Pick

Might have to give more. For the higher end of these guys, I wouldn't be opposed to trading Miller (although I am very high on him, higher then most) or Hagelin. The packages would change obviously, but I think a good starting point would be

Roster Player
High end Prospect
Middling Prospect
1st.



1st

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

Question: can we still sign Callahan to an extension during the playoffs or are negotiations shut down?

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

ditch callahan buyout richards sign stasny and then mayb a vanek or a gaborick or heatley if they take a reasonable salary no where what they make now we hav cap space
after stasny the best center out there is ollo jokinen and david legwand no where near a number 1 center

mayb even a dan boyle

At what point do we build the time machine?

 

[Fitzy]

See if you can get Carolina to trade you Skinner for Staal in the offseason and play Skinner at center.

One wonders if there will be anything available on the compliance buyout market.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

So the rangers shouldn't sign cally, they should buyout Richie, and shouldn't go after stastny or vanek in the offseason......so whos gonna be playing those mins?

I don't know. Maybe it will fall in the front office to start getting creative instead of just buying the sexy name....