Rumor: Trade Rumor/Speculation Thread XXVII: Viva la St.Louis! [Mod Warning post #1]

[LiveLongandProspal]

1. Richards MUST be outta here next year, need amnesty buyout period.
If MSL is still fine coming here, no Richards (cannot re-sign with us after for less), then ok IF he drives down price during off season the way Nash did.
Also TB wants MDL for POs, so not seeing that at the deadline, though stranger things have happened.

In no scenario do I want to over fork top long term currency --- i.e., Skjei --- for MSL.

2. If he will let us, we can pay Cally and deal him later. We may have to eat 1mil plus for each year on his contract, but we would be offering somebody of value on a long term deal. This should be backup.

3. If no better offer, in theory sending Cally to Pens for Letang + conditional if Letang unable to play, moving that huge sal next year, (which, if we do not wanna keep, we then flip), would enable Pitt to sign Cally at Letang $$. That is a major yikes, but Letang/value would be substantial.

I'm NOT recommending this.
I'm saying this scenario -- where Pens pay most of that $ and offer line w/Sid + Geno --- should move Buf to consider a deal now.

My suggestion:
2014 1st + Cally, a throw in, for Pysyk.

We get Pysyk, who looks good and is already developed, to be our 1RD

We already have our #1 RD, but yeah, I'd love Pysyk. The guy is a stud already.

But why would Buffalo do that? Pysyk is one of the young cornerstones of a rebuilding team so they'd trade him to us for a rental in Callahan and a 2014 first when they already have what? 3 first rounders?

I'd rather have Pysyk than our first rounder. Sorry

Do you mean Ehrhoff?

 

[Gardner McKay]

All things considered, but I'd rather have Stastny at the number of 6 for 6 than Callahan, but I wouldn't give it to either one.

This better be hot air coming from Brooks' you know what

Id rather have Stastny at 7.5 million than Callahan at 6.5 million. Stastny is a center which is a much more important position. Gives us a C punch of Stepan Stastny Brassard. It also gives us the luxury to trade Brassard/Stepan to upgrade in another area if we need (not advocating trading Stepan by any means).

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Would Buffalo move Grigorenko

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

What did that Lightning guy on the radio say about MSL?

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Id rather have Stastny at 7.5 million than Callahan at 6.5 million. Stastny is a center. Gives us a C punch of Stepan Stastny Brassard. It also gives us the luxury to trade Brassard/Stepan to upgrade in another area if we want.

Stepan is just not going to cut it as a #1C.. #2? probably, but a #1. we badly need an upgrade there.

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

Id rather have Stastny at 7.5 million than Callahan at 6.5 million. Stastny is a center which is a much more important position. Gives us a C punch of Stepan Stastny Brassard. It also gives us the luxury to trade Brassard/Stepan to upgrade in another area if we need (not advocating trading Stepan by any means).

I agree with that as well, but Stastny isn't worth that kind of dough. It's just that Callahan and his dough is worth even less.

 

[Gardner McKay]

Stepan is just not going to cut it as a #1C.. #2? probably, but a #1. we badly need an upgrade there.

Stastny is closer to a #1 C than Step is. He has been a relatively injury free player and has actually hit 70 points multiple times. Granted it was a few years ago but it can happen again. Callahan has never broke 60 points and Stastny is on pace for 66 this year.

Im not sure that I would advocate a Stastny signing especially at 7+ million (depending on the term) however if we did sign one of the two I would be much happier if we signed him over Callahan.

I agree with that as well, but Stastny isn't worth that kind of dough. It's just that Callahan and his dough is worth even less.

Free agents never are. Supply and demand. You have to pay a premium for the goods. I might be ok with giving Stastny 7m x 6 years.

 

[Chief]

which proves he's not as important as a lot of people seem to think.. Girardi, Mcdonagh, Nash has been a captain, there is leadership without Callahan in that locker room.

Wearing a C doesn't make you a leader. Nash hasn't proven he can lead a team anywhere and seems to sleepwalk out there way to often. I don't think McD or G have proven their leadership either (doesn't mean they can't, eventually).

Callahan has provided the Rangers a spark which few other on the team have done very often. He's also provided offense which the team has lacked the last few seasons, he's been the poster boy for their shot-blocking and tenacious two-way play and let's not forget the physicality which is mostly non-existant from the rest of the forward group.

All that doesn't mean he gets a free pass or can't be traded but too many people act like he's nothing more than a player like Dom Moore.

 

[ThisYearsModel]

I can't reconcile Cally demanding more than any player on the Chicago Blackhawks. Kane and Toews cap hits are $6.3MM.

 

[broadwayblue]

That is a 25 million increase over 10 seasons Not 3 years as you are saying. Then the cap dropped last year to 64.3 million ( I bet most didn't see that happening). Lockouts, global financial crisis, etc. A lot of things can have an impact on the salary cap. The way I see it is I am paying some one a % of the cap now and maybe if the cap is projected to rise next year then fine. It is still a reasonable amount of time. Signing some one to a contract based on what the cap may be in 4 years is a bit risky.

But players looking to sign 6 or 8 year deals care what the cap will look like down the road. If the cap is expected to rise they aren't going to sign a long term deal today at today's money, making them undervalued shortly into their new contract.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

And I fail to see a center who can replace him

So because there might not be an apparent replacement on March 2nd it means Richards is coming back?

 

[NoQuitInNewMexico]

What did that Lightning guy on the radio say about MSL?

Nothing too interesting. Doesn't think he's going to move.

 

[Ex Officer Friendly]

Geesh man, no I'm actually doing to make fun of how everyone uses it here. Im being sarcastic about the sarcastic faces actually. But yeah anyway.

I can confidently say, I think Callahan is a 25-30 goal scorer.

Im done man, I cam here a couple weeks ago to make a stand on girardi and callahan. looks like they both may be resigned. Im happy, Ill keep reading the boards to enjoy the POVs of the some of the posters here I really respect. Otherwise, its like its own bizzaro world in here. Im making a joke about people and their sarcastic comments here and someone randomly says to me, I really like it. hahahaha man

I'm on mobile I can't make sarcastic faces cause I am a fan of them.

As for your other comment about goalies not carrying teams, I disagree you look at 08-09 where the Rangers were a -8 in the goal differential and still made the playoffs and you cannot forget the other seasons where if the other team scored 3 the Rangers were done. Just my opinion.

When it comes to Callahan I think he's a great player, good leader. Just not worth 7 mill per season

 

[Chief]

All Stastny has proven is that Colorado continues to find centers they'd rather have than him.

Why people compare point totals between Stastny and Callahan is beyond me. Stastny is a center who doesn't score as many goals as Cally but gets assists. Truth is neither is a true 1st liner on a great team...truth also is they'll get what people think is too much money this summer.

 

[Gardner McKay]

Wearing a C doesn't make you a leader. Nash hasn't proven he can lead a team anywhere and seems to sleepwalk out there way to often. I don't think McD or G have proven their leadership either (doesn't mean they can't, eventually).

Callahan has provided the Rangers a spark which few other on the team have done very often. He's also provided offense which the team has lacked the last few seasons, he's been the poster boy for their shot-blocking and tenacious two-way play and let's not forget the physicality which is mostly non-existant from the rest of the forward group.

All that doesn't mean he gets a free pass or can't be traded but too many people act like he's nothing more than a player like Dom Moore.

I don't think any one thinks that. I recognize Callahan is a leader. I recognize he has given us some great years and some timely goals. That doesn't mean there are not other leaders in the locker room. What Callahan does has been marginalized under AV. Under Tortorella I would be less against resigning Callahan because he was utilized much differently (and much better under Tortorella).

 

[GregSirico]

So what's the latest news? Colorado trading Stastny? Anything new on MSL? Callahan?

 

[Gardner McKay]

All Stastny has proven is that Colorado continues to find centers they'd rather have than him.

Why people compare point totals between Stastny and Callahan is beyond me. Stastny is a center who doesn't score as many goals as Cally but gets assists. Truth is neither is a true 1st liner on a great team...truth also is they'll get what people think is too much money this summer.

Stastny has 5 20 goal seasons (about to have 6). Callahan has 3.

 

[SA16]

I don't think any one thinks that. I recognize Callahan is a leader. I recognize he has given us some great years and some timely goals. That doesn't mean there are not other leaders in the locker room. What Callahan does has been marginalized under AV. Under Tortorella I would be less against resigning Callahan because he was utilized much differently (and much better under Tortorella).

I wouldn't entirely say that. He was used differently under Torts at the expense of other players. Gaborik forced to LW, Zucc barely able to get playing time, Kreider barely able to get playing time etc..

 

[NoQuitInNewMexico]

All Stastny has proven is that Colorado continues to find centers they'd rather have than him.

Why people compare point totals between Stastny and Callahan is beyond me. Stastny is a center who doesn't score as many goals as Cally but gets assists. Truth is neither is a true 1st liner on a great team...truth also is they'll get what people think is too much money this summer.

They drafted MacKinnon and Duchene with the 1st and 3rd overall draft picks. There is no path between those kinds of picks and the Rangers outside of huge, super-risky trades.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

All Stastny has proven is that Colorado continues to find centers they'd rather have than him.

Why people compare point totals between Stastny and Callahan is beyond me. Stastny is a center who doesn't score as many goals as Cally but gets assists. Truth is neither is a true 1st liner on a great team...truth also is they'll get what people think is too much money this summer.

Stastny is a much better player than Callahan and plays a much more vital position. Stastny at 7 or Callahan at 6+ is a no brainer for me.. especially when Callahan will likely end up the 3rd best RW on this team, and Stastny will be the best C the Rangers have.

 

[Matt4776]

I don't like the idea of overpaying for Stastny just because he's less of an overpay than Callahan would be.

The idea to not resigning Callahan (despite the fact that he's our captain) is because he would be overpaid. So, right after we let Callahan walk, we... overpay someone else?

Pass.

 

[Gardner McKay]

I wouldn't entirely say that. He was used differently under Torts at the expense of other players. Gaborik forced to LW, Zucc barely able to get playing time, Kreider barely able to get playing time etc..

That may be so but at the end of the day he did produce under tortorella. Production/Money talks and BS walks. If AV isn't going to do the same then why resign him? Leadership? Other players can provide that. I think Girardi could be a great leader. I think Staal can provide veteran leadership.

 

[Gardner McKay]

I don't like the idea of overpaying for Stastny just because he's less of an overpay than Callahan would be.

The idea to not resigning Callahan (despite the fact that he's our captain) is because he would be overpaid. So, right after we let Callahan walk, we... overpay someone else?

Pass.

It is about bang for your buck. Stastny and Callahan are looking for similar contracts. Stastny provides more offense. That is what we need. He the closest thing to a #1 center we will be able to find. I hope you can spare me the drivel that I hear from other people about wanting to draft and develop a #1. That could be a long time in the making. Fact is, we are a playoff team now. Fact is, we are not rebuilding any time soon. Fact is, Stepan has not played like a #1 this year. He is a better #2. Brassard is a perfect #3. We can trade Brassard for assets and let Miller replace him when ready.

Id rather overpay for a borderline #1 center than a player who has been relegated to a 3rd liner.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

I don't like the idea of overpaying for Stastny just because he's less of an overpay than Callahan would be.

The idea to not resigning Callahan (despite the fact that he's our captain) is because he would be overpaid. So, right after we let Callahan walk, we... overpay someone else?

Pass.

my problem with Callahan is not the overpay in money, its that he's not worth it because he doesn't put up points and he will get injured. Stastny can put up points and continues to do so and doesn't get hurt and plays a position we need badly. Unless we DRAFT one or trade Mcdonagh for one, how do you expect to get any kind of upgrade at Center?

 

[AHB*]

Would Buffalo move Grigorenko

I think Murray said he was basically the only untouchable on the roster.

That being said, I'd offer a boatload for that kid, he's already good and will be amazing. He's 19.

I think he's an answer there though and won't be traded.

Still, these are the guys Glen should be overpaying for, not MSL. Ask what the price would be. Never hurts to ask, no matter how unlikely. Maybe you catch a GM who's up for it, like Filip Forsberg.