Rumor: Trade Rumor/Speculation Thread XXVII: Viva la St.Louis! [Mod Warning post #1]

[NernieBichols]

The difference between Hank getting paid what he wants and Cally not getting it, is that Hank has been the face of this franchise for almost a decade now and has dragged this team into the playoffs kicking and screaming in almost all of those years. Cally hasn't done anything to justify 6 million a year.

BS dude. Complete BS.

 

[BobMarleyNYR]

the funny thing is hes 21 years old.. how about some patients?

McIltath took the Doogie Howser track. What a winner.

 

[Gardner McKay]

Sather essentially handed Lundqvist a blank check even though he hadn't been playing well up to that point. It wouldn't shock me at all if Sather did the same for Captain Callahan. For the first time, I think Callahan's 7 year/7 million per demand is realistic and it's due all to Sather being delusional.

How is Sather delusional? The love fest for Cally and hate fest for Sather isn't shocking but is absurd. Lundqvist has BEEN the Rangers for the last 10 years. He was/is the best goaltender in the NHL. One 15 - 20 game cold streak over the course of his career is completely irrelevant. He deserves to be paid that much.

Callahan may not even be the best 3rd liner (currently) in the NHL yet wants to be paid like a top 3 player. Where exactly has Sather been delusional? Is it when he handed out those contracts to Drury, Gomez & Redden (even though I hate the signings all 3 of them had accomplished much more than Callahan and Gomez/Drury were still better players than Callahan when they were signed) that he was delusional? Callahan has what 5 goals in his last 30-35 games and is on pace for 45 points this year. That is what he has always been a 45-55 point player who is injury prone. With his style of play I see no reason for his point totals and ability to stay healthy to get any better. His demand of 7M+ is not realistic. 6.5 million isn't realistic. Callahan and his agent essentially gave the Rangers a giant middle finger when they told Sather they offered him a discount.

This is a business which is why Callahan can ask for unrealistic amounts of money and be greedy (standard in the business world that I live and work in every day), and Sather can handle the situation as he deems appropriate (which frankly I don't care what it is at this point as long as we don't sign him to that ridiculous contract). Id rather lose Callahan for nothing than sign him to a 7 million dollar contract.

One more note, Sather was a terrible GM for many years. We all know this. Over the last 10 years the Rangers have been a playoff team every year but one. He has resisted trading prospects/picks for rentals. He still made his big signings but found ways to correct his mistakes. Im not going to say he has been a damn good GM for the last 10 years but at the very least the guy has been average. Would I like for him to retire? Yeah I think it is his time. But for the first time in a long time I trust Sather to make the right decision with Callahan and I will be the first one to eat crow if I am wrong.

/Rant.

 

[Ex Officer Friendly]

Yeah, and last year was a lockout year with no training camp and a lot of turn-over on the team. The whole team looked bad up until the final 1/3rd of the season.

This year he has shoulder surgery, can't train the same, can't take part in training camp. New coach, new system. Teams play abysmally at first. Gets injured again. MZA takes a huge step, pretty much carries the rangers for awhile, and when Callahan gets back, the PP units are clicking and MZA is playing great.

Who's to say Callahan doesn't bounce back huge next year, with the rangers or with the team that gives him the PP time and offensive zones starts etc...

How can people not take the bolded in account?

Because he has gotten PP prior to the shortened season and injuries last season. And still he never broke 30 goals or 60 points.

Take that into account plus the fact that his style of play leads to more injuries (Drury) and an earlier break down, I wouldn't be comfortable giving him anything more then 5 years and even that's a lot.

 

[NernieBichols]

If Sather has in fact offered 6x6 and it still isn't happening, it's Callahan that is making it not happen.

thats what the deal is gonna be. Whats holding things up are the same things that held up Girardi's deal. The NMC clause part of it. The numbers were reported on Girardi, why wasnt he signed, probably bc the rangers weren't including the NMC clause part of it

Callahan will sign for 6x6 (give or take 250K) with the same type of NMC Girardi received.

 

[Gardner McKay]

i didn't see what you said, but its true way to bitter, we drafted for need why would we draft fowler when at the time we had MDZ (21yrs old) who just put up 41pts and a healthy staal filling that side of his game..

McIrath is very close.. we have to much depth on the right side, so it sbetter for him to get the full year in the ahl. he just scored a sick goal last night, and kicked someones ass again in another fight.. kid has the tools, and the toughness we need on the backend..

We can rationalize all we want. It doesn't change the fact that it was a poor drafting decision. I think most of us have just accepted it and use the argument you just gave as a way to make ourselves feel better about missing out on two star players.

 

[Infinitum Vitae*]

BS dude. Complete BS.

No it's not he's completely right..without hank we miss a lot of years of playoffs

 

[Trojanman03]

BS dude. Complete BS.

you forgot the lol

 

[Ail]

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[Ex Officer Friendly]

BS dude. Complete BS.

Pls explain why it's BS

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

Lundqvist is going to be a Hall of Famer

Callahan is going to be Kelly Kisio

Nailed it.

 

[Gardner McKay]

thats what the deal is gonna be. Whats holding things up are the same things that held up Girardi's deal. The NMC clause part of it. The numbers were reported on Girardi, why wasnt he signed, probably bc the rangers weren't including the NMC clause part of it

Callahan will sign for 6x6 (give or take 250K) with the same type of NMC Girardi received.

I will vomit in my coffee if that happens. Callahan has looked very ineffective for quite a long time. He is not the same player. He was a guy who was built for John Tortorella hockey. He is not built for AV hockey. One would hope that AV does well enough to stick around which, in that case makes paying a guy 6 million a year who is not as useful as he once was extremely questionable.

 

[Punxrocknyc19*]

thats what the deal is gonna be. Whats holding things up are the same things that held up Girardi's deal. The NMC clause part of it. The numbers were reported on Girardi, why wasnt he signed, probably bc the rangers weren't including the NMC clause part of it

Callahan will sign for 6x6 (give or take 250K) with the same type of NMC Girardi received.

he is not worth that rather trade for Kesler who makes 5 mil and can score 50-70 pts a year..

 

[Dr. Ogrodnick]

thats what the deal is gonna be. Whats holding things up are the same things that held up Girardi's deal. The NMC clause part of it. The numbers were reported on Girardi, why wasnt he signed, probably bc the rangers weren't including the NMC clause part of it

Callahan will sign for 6x6 (give or take 250K) with the same type of NMC Girardi received.

And then he will instantly burn through pretty much all of the goodwill he's amassed here through his career. Drury part 2, with less skill.

 

[NoQuitInNewMexico]

http://betaplayer.radio.com/player/987-the-fan for the TB radio thing

 

[NernieBichols]

Because he has gotten PP prior to the shortened season and injuries last season. And still he never broke 30 goals or 60 points.

Take that into account plus the fact that his style of play leads to more injuries (Drury) and an earlier break down, I wouldn't be comfortable giving him anything more then 5 years and even that's a lot.

Go look at his numbers and see how close he's been to breaking 30. its such a BS argument. he had 28, but thats not 30 .. he had 26 goals in 70 games, but thats NOT 30


I understand how you feel about him not holding up health wise through the contract. But we don't know this. Drury developed a knee which started completely giving-out, thats so much different then callahan getting injured blocking shots or his shoulder popping out of its socket during a scrum... If drury didn't have such a bad knee, he would have been able to continue being a serviceable 3rd line player for any number of teams in the NHL. Drury had a chronically deterienting (sp) knee. It wasnt normal wear and tear, yet people automatically state with anything more then opinion, that Callahan is going to follow the same route.

Its kinda such a joke. We are ranger fans, we recently saw Drury break down, so that HAS to be whats gonna happen to Callahan. I mean look, he's been injured, the proof is there that its gonna be the same situation as Drury. Absolutes and extremes.

 

[ThisYearsModel]

We can rationalize all we want. It doesn't change the fact that it was a poor drafting decision. I think most of us have just accepted it and use the argument you just gave as a way to make ourselves feel better about missing out on two star players.

I was listening to that draft on the radio and praying that Fowler would keep falling. When he fell to us, I was ecstatic. Then I hear the name Dylan McIlrath and I nearly threw the radio across the room. Guess I should have.

 

[NernieBichols]

And then he will instantly burn through pretty much all of the goodwill he's amassed here through his career. Drury part 2, with less skill.

for someone who's name speaks for the fact you've been watching the rangers 25+ years. Don't you think thats jumping the gun.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Mike Rupp can chip in offensively? What?

 

[Gardner McKay]

Go look at his numbers and see how close he's been to breaking 30. its such a BS argument. he had 28, but thats not 30 .. he had 26 goals in 70 games, but thats NOT 30


I understand how you feel about him not holding up health wise through the contract. But we don't know this. Drury developed a knee which started completely giving-out, thats so much different then callahan getting injured blocking shots or his shoulder popping out of its socket during a scrum... If drury didn't have such a bad knee, he would have been able to continue being a serviceable 3rd line player for any number of teams in the NHL. Drury had a chronically deterienting (sp) knee. It wasnt normal wear and tear, where you automatically state with anything more then opinion, that Callahan is going to follow the same route.

Its kinda such a joke. We are ranger fans, we recently saw Drury break down, so that HAS to be whats gonna happen to Callahan. I mean look, he's been injured, the proof is there that its gonna be the same situation as Drury. Absolutes and extremes.

No it is not. Shoulder problems can be chronic. Even minor ones such as bursitis can cause problems in the early 30s.

No one is saying that has to be whats going to happen to Callahan. The fact of the matter is, Drury was better than Callahan in most facets (especially offensively) and he wasn't worth the 7 million even in his 1st year. Paying Callahan who is a lesser player the same amount of money simply because he is our Captain is absolutely asinine and that is what it is boiling down to.

 

[silverfish]

Think I speak for the majority when I say:

How we want the Callahan situation resolved:

1. Trade before the deadline.
2. View as "our rental" and walks for nothing or is dealt as UFA rights for a mid-draft pick.


















3. Re-signs for 6x$7

 

[Dr. Ogrodnick]

for someone who's name speaks for the fact you've been watching the rangers 25+ years. Don't you think thats jumping the gun.

Not at all. Under no circumstances is he worth the money he's asking. He's not going to get better in his mid 30s. Its just not the style he plays.

 

[Gardner McKay]

Think I speak for the majority when I say:

How we want the Callahan situation resolved:

1. Trade before the deadline.
2. View as "our rental" and walks for nothing or is dealt as UFA rights for a mid-draft pick.


















3. Re-signs for 6x$7

About 18 miles further down is signs for 7 million a year but yeah. Agreed.

 

[Clown Fiesta]

http://betaplayer.radio.com/player/987-the-fan for the TB radio thing

Please provide synopsis.

Ail can't listen cause he trolled that beat writer too hard and now it looks like MSL isn't going to come here.

 

[Gardner McKay]

Not at all. Under no circumstances is he worth the money he's asking. He's not going to get better in his mid 30s. Its just not the style he plays.

No players are better in their mid 30s. Sure there may be one aberration of a season here or there but it just doesn't happen consistently.