Rumor: Trade Rumor/Speculation Thread XXV: It's a Marty Party [*Mod Warning post #132]

[Thirty One]

I watch him a lot too. He's been asked to do too much. He's more effective with support from the twins.

Every time he's on the ice, he's matched up against top lines, while he's been with Santorelli and Higgins most of the season. So he's scoring goals with no playmaker against top lines.

Put Kesler on a balanced team or with more scoring depth and he'll produce more.

I just dont see the Callahan comparisons. Kesler is the superior player.

Most TOI of any forward in the league. How is he declining? Certainly isnt a health issue.

Besides, i dont care how long ago it was. He single-handedly neutralized Toews in a playoff series. When was the last time a Rangers forward neutralized anybody in a playoff series.

His most frequent linemate has been Higgins (who isn't the player he was here), his 4th most frequent is Santorelli. 2nd and 3rd are the Sedins.

He's declining:

You can say he's doesn't have the linemates, but he never did.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Its no debate. Kesler is better than Stepan. The question is whether they view their current roster and prospects as the foundation of a perennial contender or pieces to trade to build a one or two-shot deal.

Stepan could develop into a Krejci type. We'll see.

This season there is actually is a debate..

Kesler 20G 18 A. 38 P.. 5M cap hit. 29 years old

Stepan 10 G 25 A. 35P.. 3M cap hit. 23 years old

and before you mention Kesler's defense, Stepan is no slouch there either..

Kesler is being highly overrated as if he's the same player he used to be.

 

[AlternateSideParking]

His most frequent linemate has been Higgins (who isn't the player he was here), his 4th most frequent is Santorelli. 2nd and 3rd are the Sedins.

He's declining:

You can say he's doesn't have the linemates, but he never did.

Not in goals he isnt.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

One underrated factor about Girardi is that his presence allows McDonagh the freedom to jump up the way he has been this year. McD would likely have to stay home more and play more conservative if he was out there with Vatanen.

 

[Gordon Bombay]

Hartford is pretty close.

Within driving distance. I just don't see Sather pulling a trade on game day to call up a Fast, Kristo, or whoever else to replace the traded player(s). Everything is too close to not have the best guys in the lineup every night.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Not in goals he isnt.

In regards to Kesler being better than Stepan are:

For how long?

and

What would it take to acquire him?

questions that we are allowed to answer within the analysis? Or are we pretending things will be frozen in time forever?

 

[AlternateSideParking]

This season there is actually is a debate..

Kesler 20G 18 A. 38 P.. 5M cap hit. 29 years old

Stepan 10 G 25 A. 35P.. 3M cap hit. 23 years old

and before you mention Kesler's defense, Stepan is no slouch there either..

Kesler is being highly overrated as if he's the same player he used to be.

You're statwatching again. Stepan has been sluggish this season. Are you going to deny that?

Stepan has nothing in common with Kesler aside from being American. Kesler is dominant on faceoffs, can skate and carry a line.

Attention homers: pony up for Center Ice and DVR before you critique a player.

 

[Thirty One]

Within driving distance. I just don't see Sather pulling a trade on game day to call up a Fast, Kristo, or whoever else to replace the traded player(s). Everything is too close to not have the best guys in the lineup every night.

If Staal is healthy they'll have a spare forward and defenseman too.

 

[Doctyl]

You're statwatching again. Stepan has been sluggish this season. Are you going to deny that?

Stepan has nothing in common with Kesler aside from being American. Kesler is dominant on faceoffs, can skate and carry a line.

Attention homers: pony up for Center Ice and DVR before you critique a player.

Stepan isn't bad defensively. Not great on faceoffs but he's good at a lot of other things. Also sluggish Stepan is putting up similar points to the quick skating, line carrying, faceoffs dominant Kesler.

 

[slugox]

One of Girardi/Callahan has to go, in a salary cap NHL. We can't effectively build the team we need to have by paying both, IMO. I'd rather not lose either of them, but I can't see how it's doable. All things being equal, I'd say Girardi is a lot harder to replace.

 

[Thirty One]

In regards to Kesler being better than Stepan are:

For how long?

and

What would it take to acquire him?

questions that we are allowed to answer within the analysis? Or are we pretending things will be frozen in time forever?

Kesler has had two hip surgeries, becoming the only person under 80 to do so.

 

[Ail]

You're statwatching again. Stepan has been sluggish this season. Are you going to deny that?

Stepan has nothing in common with Kesler aside from being American. Kesler is dominant on faceoffs, can skate and carry a line.

Attention homers: pony up for Center Ice and DVR before you critique a player.

So if people disagree with you, they've never watched Kesler and are homers?

I'm not saying Kesler isn't a better player because as an overall package, he definitely is, but he is also older and often injured.

 

[Emptyvoid]

Kesler has had two hip surgeries, becoming the only person under 80 to do so.

I see a Drury type of breaking down in Kesler's future.

 

[Gordon Bombay]

If Staal is healthy they'll have a spare forward and defenseman too.

Yeah forgot about Falk and Dorsett. Still, this is Sather. The man could probably outlast father time.

 

[AlternateSideParking]

In regards to Kesler being better than Stepan are:

For how long?

and

What would it take to acquire him?

questions that we are allowed to answer within the analysis? Or are we pretending things will be frozen in time forever?

Im not the GM and have no idea what his strategy is - long term or short.

What I do know is that Kesler is a superior player to Stepan.

I also know one guy is locked for two more years while the other is locked up for one.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Kesler has had two hip surgeries, becoming the only person under 80 to do so.

Youre just stat watching

 

[Thirty One]

Im not the GM and have no idea what his strategy is - long term or short.

What I do know is that Kesler is a superior player to Stepan.

I also know one guy is locked for two more years while the other is locked up for one.

You could look at it that way. You could also look at it as one player being under team control for 2, while the other is under player control for 3.

 

[Thirty One]

How many Vancouver games have you watched this season, GWOW?

 

[beef 4 lunch]

So MSL is too old, Kesler is broken down and declining, Stasny is too expensive and not good enough.

So who are these 22 year old studs we are going to get when no is willing to part with blue chippers like Kristo, and Fast? LoL

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

So MSL is too old, Kesler is broken down and declining, Stasny is too expensive and not good enough.

So who are these 22 year old studs we are going to get when no is willing to part with blue chippers like Kristo, and Fast? LoL

I'd be more than willing to part with either for a 22 year old stud. Is Matt Duchene suddenly available?

 

[cd211]

So MSL is too old, Kesler is broken down and declining, Stasny is too expensive and not good enough.

So who are these 22 year old studs we are going to get when no is willing to part with blue chippers like Kristo, and Fast? LoL

noone wants to give to get..

kesler is a beast.. i would not hesitate to get him if available for the right price..

id give max

Callahan, Brassard, Dorsett, Fast/lindberg, conditional pick for kesler, booth

not nearly enough.. but we got to stop mortgaging the future and keep a team together, all the teams that win tweaked their team not make major trades year in and year oout..

 

[beef 4 lunch]

I'd be more than willing to part with either for a 22 year old stud. Is Matt Duchene suddenly available?

No he is not and if he were, there is no ranger package that could get him.

 

[Crease]

So MSL is too old, Kesler is broken down and declining, Stasny is too expensive and not good enough.

So who are these 22 year old studs we are going to get when no is willing to part with blue chippers like Kristo, and Fast? LoL

If it were me, I'd unload picks and anyone not named Lundqvist, McDonagh, and Kreider for a couple of 22 year old studs. Then rebuild around them. It's a lot easier to pick up the Callahans, Girardis and Hagelins via draft and free agency than it is to pick up the Toews and Getzlafs via draft and free agency.

Then again, I'm a patient SOB.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

Also, I'm not denying that Kesler is a very good player, but playing the MOST minutes in the NHL should not constitute an excuse for scoring less.

Ok, so you're more tired - you've also got many more opportunities. Doesn't compute.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

No he is not and if he were, there is no ranger package that could get him.

This is what you wrote:

So who are these 22 year old studs we are going to get when no is willing to part with blue chippers like Kristo, and Fast? LoL

I said I'd be willing to move either for a 22 year old stud. So, tell me - which 22 year old studs ARE available? Tavares?