Speculation: Trade Rumor/Speculation Thread XXIV: C'est la St. Louis?

[Ail]

You wouldn't do Kesler for Miller? I think you are being irrational. Kesler is worth more than Miller on the trade market.

Look at the Rangers young C depth, Stepan, Miller, Brassard, Lindberg. One of them has shown he can be an acceptable #1 but is having a mediocre season. Another is wildly inconsistent and owes his paycheck this year to Zucc. The other two are prospects and of them Miller is looking like he could have the ceiling of a guy like Kesler. So why are we going to trade him for Kesler who is about to head to the downside of his prime?

If the Rangers had excellent center depth then yeah maybe you move a C prospect to solidify your 1a 1b tandem down the middle. However C is the weakest position on the roster and the prospect depth isn't great either. You don't move your best C prospect for Kesler.

 

[Off Sides]

Torts needs help. Let's give him some. Saw this somewhere else and liked it. Kesler and Bieksa to NYR for Callahan, Girardi and Boyle. Torts could get the band back together.

I like it, Rangers can then buyout Richards this summer go into next season with Kesler/Brassard/Stepan down the middle. Go with Miller as the 4th center.

They even would get back a RD who is already signed for a while to a decent contract.

 

[Traderalways]

Hahahahahaha. The hilarious thing is that half (more?) the posters on this board think we're one of the favorites to get to, and perhaps win, the ECF.

I think my prediction is right on the money and any deal we make - short of, you know, getting Malkin for a 4th - is only going to bump the team's fortunes slightly one way or another (this year).

I'm always very nervous with taking anything for granted with the rangers... I obviously feel this is a very weak eastern conference this year... ANY of the 8 can make some noise.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Look at the Rangers young C depth, Stepan, Miller, Brassard, Lindberg. One of them has shown he can be an acceptable #1 but is having a mediocre season. Another is wildly inconsistent and owes his paycheck this year to Zucc. The other two are prospects and of them Miller is looking like he could have the ceiling of a guy like Kesler. So why are we going to trade him for Kesler who is about to head to the downside of his prime?

If the Rangers had excellent center depth then yeah maybe you move a C prospect to solidify your 1a 1b tandem down the middle. However C is the weakest position on the roster and the prospect depth isn't great either. You don't move your best C prospect for Kesler.

I can accept your reasoning, but I don't think Miller has shown the potential that you think he has. Do you think Miller will ever put up 70+ points once let alone twice?

 

[Kocur Dill]

I'm always very nervous with taking anything for granted with the rangers... I obviously feel this is a very weak eastern conference this year... ANY of the 8 can make some noise.

Then get embarassingly swept in the finals like NJ did after they showed us who's boss in the ECF.

There is no joy in being the best loser.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Look at the Rangers young C depth, Stepan, Miller, Brassard, Lindberg. One of them has shown he can be an acceptable #1 but is having a mediocre season. Another is wildly inconsistent and owes his paycheck this year to Zucc. The other two are prospects and of them Miller is looking like he could have the ceiling of a guy like Kesler. So why are we going to trade him for Kesler who is about to head to the downside of his prime?

If the Rangers had excellent center depth then yeah maybe you move a C prospect to solidify your 1a 1b tandem down the middle. However C is the weakest position on the roster and the prospect depth isn't great either. You don't move your best C prospect for Kesler.

Agreed. Whats with the infatuation with Kesler? People are so ready to throw Callahan out of town out of fear that hes going to be breaking down, yet want to acquire Kesler?? A player who already is?? No thanks.

As for all the rumors, its probably best to compartmentalize them at this point. While all of them might be traded, I don't particularly think Girardi, Callahan, and St. Louis are tied at the hip in any way.

Perhaps most importantly, I've seen plenty of people talking about how the Rangers are "throwing the season away" by trading Callahan and Girardi. I think thats ridiculous and simply untrue, no matter what the returns are.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Hahahahahaha. The hilarious thing is that half (more?) the posters on this board think we're one of the favorites to get to, and perhaps win, the ECF.

I think my prediction is right on the money and any deal we make - short of, you know, getting Malkin for a 4th - is only going to bump the team's fortunes slightly one way or another (this year).

and the other half think the Rangers need to keep building building building until Hank is too old or not as good anymore for it to matter.

like I said, there is no median on this board at all.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Then get embarassingly swept in the finals like NJ did after they showed us who's boss in the ECF.

There is no joy in being the best loser.

New Jersey lost in 6 games. Facts are important.

 

[GAGLine]

I can accept your reasoning, but I don't think Miller has shown the potential that you think he has. Do you think Miller will ever put up 70+ points once let alone twice?

Do you think Kesler ever will again? I don't. Regarding Miller, he's a PPG player in the AHL at the age of 20. If all you are looking at are the games he's played in the NHL, then you aren't seeing everything.

 

[Clown Fiesta]

No they definitely cannot.

Yeah Miller will be a similar player to Kesler IMO. Best to keep him although Vancouver would appreciate us more.

 

[Pugs35]

I can accept your reasoning, but I don't think Miller has shown the potential that you think he has. Do you think Miller will ever put up 70+ points once let alone twice?

I don't know whether Miller will or won't, he probably won't, if this team's history of developing center's is any indication. The problem is, I'm pretty damn sure Kesler won't be putting upt 70+ again, either.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

People keep harping on AV's system like he is Scotty Bowman.

He has certainly shown an ability to get teams to win in the regular season, I'll give you that.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

and the other half think the Rangers need to keep building building building until Hank is too old or not as good anymore for it to matter.

like I said, there is no median on this board at all.

Strawman.

You get me a #1C and an offensive defenseman (preferably a RH PMD) to add to our all-world goalie, #1D, and budding PF - and I'll be happy with our core and pleased to be a buyer on deadline day for a good 4-5 years in a row.

 

[NewLife]

it doesn't matter what other teams might offer, he wants to come here if moved.

Is this a fact or speculation that just make sense?

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Strawman.

You get me a #1C and an offensive defenseman (preferably a RH PMD) to add to our all-world goalie, #1D and budding PF and I'll be happy with our core and pleased to be a buyer on deadline day for a good 4-5 years in a row.

How would you feel about (and I know this is vague, but what choice do we have?)

Girardi to Anaheim for Vatanen +(pick or 'spect)

Callahan to Blues for Stewart + 2nd

Stewart, a pick, and a prospect to Tampa for Martin St. Louis

Rangers acquire 38 year old reigning Art Ross winner, and 22 year old RD with high upside. Hedges bets of "win now" vs. keeping an eye on the future.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Is this a fact or speculation that just make sense?

Somewhere in between

 

[Chief]

I just hope Slats doesn't do a half-assed job at this trade deadline. After acquiring MSL, he needs to find 2 of the following 3: (a) an offensive Dman, (b) a center who can win faceoffs, and (c) a forward to provide some scoring depth. And before anyone complains about depleting the farm system, I'm not talking about trading the farm for All Stars. I think intelligent moves can be made for players who can fill roles.

 

[Trxjw]

Kesler? Pass. Breaking down fast and people are in love with what he used to be, not what he is. He's not a first line center anymore.

Vatanen was sent to the AHL because aside from Lindholm, he's the only non-waiver eligible player on defense for the Ducks. He's way too good for the AHL, but it was simply a numbers problem up with the Ducks. No, he's not a top-pairing guy, but he projects as a very good 2nd pairing defender who can run the 1st unit power-play. Great skater, rifle of a shot, and great vision. If he was 6'0 nobody would bat an eye at acquiring him.

Vatanen and a prospect like Smith-Pelley or Noesen would be an epic return for a rental Girardi. However, I doubt we would get that solid of a prospect in addition to Vatanen.

 

[RGY]

How would you feel about (and I know this is vague, but what choice do we have?)

Girardi to Anaheim for Vatanen +(pick or 'spect)

Callahan to Blues for Stewart + 2nd

Stewart, a pick, and a prospect to Tampa for Martin St. Louis

Rangers acquire 38 year old reigning Art Ross winner, and 22 year old RD with high upside. Hedges bets of "win now" vs. keeping an eye on the future.

Like your proposal

 

[NYR Viper]

Kesler? Pass. Breaking down fast and people are in love with what he used to be, not what he is. He's not a first line center anymore.

Vatanen was sent to the AHL because aside from Lindholm, he's the only non-waiver eligible player on defense for the Ducks. He's way too good for the AHL, but it was simply a numbers problem up with the Ducks. No, he's not a top-pairing guy, but he projects as a very good 2nd pairing defender who can run the 1st unit power-play. Great skater, rifle of a shot, and great vision. If he was 6'0 nobody would bat an eye at acquiring him.

Vatanen and a prospect like Smith-Pelley or Noesen would be an epic return for a rental Girardi. However, I doubt we would get that solid of a prospect in addition to Vatanen.

Makes sense to me. I have been wanting Vatanen for a couple of years.

How would you feel about (and I know this is vague, but what choice do we have?)

Girardi to Anaheim for Vatanen +(pick or 'spect)

Callahan to Blues for Stewart + 2nd

Stewart, a pick, and a prospect to Tampa for Martin St. Louis

Rangers acquire 38 year old reigning Art Ross winner, and 22 year old RD with high upside. Hedges bets of "win now" vs. keeping an eye on the future.

Wow! BRB with proposals!!

I like 'em. I made similar ones late last night. They make sense. I am hopeful Callahan can return a tad more but the premise is exactly the same.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Makes sense to me. I have been wanting Vatanen for a couple of years.



Wow! BRB with proposals!!

I like 'em. I made similar ones late last night. They make sense. I am hopeful Callahan can return a tad more but the premise is exactly the same.

Its getting near that time. I can see it going down in that type of way.

Devil is in the details of course - would'nt be giving up a 1st or JT Miller when it comes to the vague prospect/pick classifications.

 

[Chief]

Vatanen was sent to the AHL because aside from Lindholm, he's the only non-waiver eligible player on defense for the Ducks.

That and the fact that he's not good enough to help the Ducks this season, which is why the Ducks are looking to make a trade to bring in a defender like Girardi.

If he was 6'0 nobody would bat an eye at acquiring him.

But he's not. And he's not going to have all the space he had on the bigger Sochi ice surface. There's not many 5'8" - 5'10" Dmen who succeed in the NHL.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Is Vatanen similar to Tory Krug?

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

Is Vatanen similar to Tory Krug?

For my money that's a pretty good comparable. I could see him having that kind of impact. And there is definitely room to carry a player like that if the rest of your dmen are good in their own zone.

 

[Larrybiv]

I suddenly really like Dreger

Our Rangers are the envy of all the contending teams right now. Damn those Rangers! Based on TB putting out don't bother, MSL wants Rangers.