Not a chance, unless you're sending a center better then him back. How about that Toews guy?
In reality, he's an ideal #2 for a contender, being asked to play as a #1. Kid is fantastic and will get better.
Speculation: Trade Rumor/Speculation Thread XXIV: C'est la St. Louis?
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Not a chance, unless you're sending a center better then him back. How about that Toews guy?
In reality, he's an ideal #2 for a contender, being asked to play as a #1. Kid is fantastic and will get better.
DutchShamrock
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You think boomer meant we are getting him to ship to TB? Not sure I see it that way. Too vague to assume anything outside of us having interest in vatanen.
and just cause I saw somebody asked would I tie myself to Dolan & Sather if my career was on the line? ...... hahaha...
listen,no one could deny they were a dysfunctional organization for a looooong time. But now?
They've built a really enjoyable team here, one I think has a lot more potential. They are, fundamentally, young (not that that's the only goal). It's a real nice mix. It's exciting.
Dolan spends, and apparently doesnt meddle. All you can ask for an owner. Sather? You could go on & on, but look at other teams; none are perfect.
Look at the fix StevieY got himself in to? Look at what's happened to Lou Lam.
Look at Chiarelli in Boston, who is excellent, built a Cup team almost all through trades. He got lit up last year thinking he had Iginla, who was a Penguin two minutes later. Wild stuff happens!
Bottom line is, all these experienced, high-end guys want to come here. Is it just for the bucks? They can usually get that elsewhere.
They all have reps as solid citizens. Nash, Richards, now St Louis, even little Zuc returned after he had every reason not to with how Torts treated him. So my answer would be yes.
And we see what tomorrow brings.....
listen,no one could deny they were a dysfunctional organization for a looooong time. But now?
They've built a really enjoyable team here, one I think has a lot more potential. They are, fundamentally, young (not that that's the only goal). It's a real nice mix. It's exciting.
Dolan spends, and apparently doesnt meddle. All you can ask for an owner. Sather? You could go on & on, but look at other teams; none are perfect.
Look at the fix StevieY got himself in to? Look at what's happened to Lou Lam.
Look at Chiarelli in Boston, who is excellent, built a Cup team almost all through trades. He got lit up last year thinking he had Iginla, who was a Penguin two minutes later. Wild stuff happens!
Bottom line is, all these experienced, high-end guys want to come here. Is it just for the bucks? They can usually get that elsewhere.
They all have reps as solid citizens. Nash, Richards, now St Louis, even little Zuc returned after he had every reason not to with how Torts treated him. So my answer would be yes.
And we see what tomorrow brings.....
Killem Dafoe
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This doesn't change the fact that that trade will most likely not happen unless we add.
All i can ask for in an owner? Are you serious?
An owner is supposed to hire good management. Dolan is on the record saying he thinks Sather is one of the best. Best at what, buying nice cigars? Certainly not being a GM.
He's an awful owner, who not only can't hire proper management, but treats fans like ****.
Brooklyn Rangers Fan
Change is good.
I see Nyqvist in Fast - perhaps a little more playmaking, a little less scoring. I've been watching a lot of HFD recently (single + tons of really ****** weather
) and he is really coming into his own. Neck and neck with Miller for best prospect on the team - and that's only because Miller has him on strength and physicality. Fast has him beat on skills, speed, passing and IQ.That's not to say I'm not a big fan of Miller - I definitely am. He needs to improve his vision a bit and use his teammates more, but I think that'll come. Love his upside as a 2-way physical 2C.
Haven't seen enough of Sjkei to really comment, but I liked what I saw of his skating and defense during the WJCs. His puckhandling in the O-zone left something to be desired, but I can see the comparisons to McD's development - I would definitely be loath to move him.
McIlrath... well, here's hoping that the old saw about how long big defensemen take to develop is true. I hope for our sake it is, 'cause his "wow" moments have been few and far between. I praise him for getting better where he's been weak (balance, staying with guys going to the outside), but he's not close to the difference maker that Fast, Miller, Hrivik or Allen have been in the games I've watched. Personally, I wouldn't hesitate to move him in the right deal.
As for Kristo - he's got the natural scorer's touch and a bit of bulldog that I really like. But, he still makes really dumb decisions with the puck. (The good news is they tend to be passes - which is an improvement over his puckhog tendencies during the WJCs back in the day - but they are glaring.) And I believe he becomes an UFA if he doesn't get 80 NHL games in between now and summer of '15. He'd be one of the first on my list to trade.
Watching the Vancouver St. Louis game. During intermission the Vancouver guys hit on the kesler situation. they said sounds like he would like to head back to the states but that the team said they would not comment on it.
Guys are forcing hands huh. Wonder if the lock-out has effected these guys thought processes, made them think, I'm gonna look out for myself
Guys are forcing hands huh. Wonder if the lock-out has effected these guys thought processes, made them think, I'm gonna look out for myself
Brooklyn Rangers Fan
Change is good.
Given our center depth, eleven billion would be okay - it's eleventy billion that would be the breaking point.
(But I agree, I wouldn't mind upgrading him to a true 1C.)
Sather should have been fired by 2005, the latest. Everyone knows that. But he wasnt, and since then he's been a totally different person LOL. It's the strangest thing, but he has been pretty darn good, unless you really dont like this team.
That's fine if not. But he's there for life. Nothing anybody can do, apparently. Question is, does this team become a serious contender year-in, year-out now? if so IDK how you judge the overall record, it'd be night and day. But right now, tonight, might have a lot to say about the outcome. And Im hopeful.
Sather's been on a pretty good roll.
eco's bones
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MSL obviously feels disrespected. TB is having an excellent year. He's been carrying the team's offense almost the entire year after Stamkos went down…and his own general manager won't even pick him for the Olympic team which he obviously felt he deserved. What else it says is that Stevie Y thinks that Stamkos is the better player. Had no problem choosing him and delaying until the last possible moment before selecting St. Louis to replace him.
Now whether Yzerman moves MSL or not--he's more than obviously pissed St. Louis off and I can't say that his situation wasn't handled very intelligently by Yzerman.
It also looks to me that at least by the end of the next season if MSL is still going strong and I expect he will be he's very, very likely to sign with the Rangers as a free agent if they can work out a deal. Whether he finishes out this season with the Lightning or not--his days in Tampa are numbered and that's reason enough for the Lightning to seriously consider moving him within the next year.
Now whether Yzerman moves MSL or not--he's more than obviously pissed St. Louis off and I can't say that his situation wasn't handled very intelligently by Yzerman.
It also looks to me that at least by the end of the next season if MSL is still going strong and I expect he will be he's very, very likely to sign with the Rangers as a free agent if they can work out a deal. Whether he finishes out this season with the Lightning or not--his days in Tampa are numbered and that's reason enough for the Lightning to seriously consider moving him within the next year.
Pretty darn good since 2005? You mean signing Gomez, Drury, Redden, Kotalik, Brashear, Rupp, Boogaard, should I keep going? How about the 3 coaching changes? The guy doesn't have a clue, every move is made in a vacuum. His "vision" is laughable.
He wants to built a defensive team so he brings in torts. Gets defense, builds around defense, doesn't like the style, decides to hire AV to change the defensive team to offense. The guy is more clueless then a detective on a cold case.
This is not a contending team and Sather has not been on a roll. There are people on these boards who could have done a better job than him since he began.
He's atrocious and you said it yourself, he's there for LIFE. Which is completely on the owner.
Brooklyn Rangers Fan
Change is good.
LaffyTaffyNYR
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If that is directed at me, re-read.
Its as if people deliberately refuse to read the actual words that are printed in front of them.
What i said was, in light of the Rangers reportedly reaching Girardi's demands, and he is still being shopped, suggests he and his agent decided they want to go to free agency. I raised the question, perhaps these two players don't like dealing with this management group.
Then i said, if you were a player and wanted to win a championship, would you continue to trust Sather and Dolan to get it done.
Where did i say anything about a career being on the line?
The team is fun, that makes them a legitimate contender? No it doesn't.
On a pretty good roll of what?
14 years as GM of the New York Rangers. One Conference Finals appearance.
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He's had pretty good success wheeling and dealing. If this plays out right he'll make some key moves, bring back some youth, and not have much wiggle room to make a big mistake this summer.
Good rant. I always think of when they drafted Staal as the real beginning of this 2nd phase. I could be off, maybe its 2006 rather than 05. Hank & Cally were earlier if not mistaken, but for some reason i think of Staal.
There's no getting around the all-time disaster that Sather was.
It was, IMO, arguably the worst run by any executive not just in hockey, but in any sport, maybe of all-time. That's how ugly, confused, rudderless, whatever word you want to insert, insert it.
He sucked as bad as you could suck.
No argument from me there, ever.
But since then? I gotta be fair. He resisted lots of opportunities for quick fixes by holding onto the young guys we now have, weeding out the rest and trying to keep the best. Gord Clark said 3 years ago this next wave of guys, Step, Kreider, Hagelin, McIlrath, even McD who they snagged were the real rebuilding program come to life, the best of the bunch. They look as good as any young group of players in the game to me, though we never get credit for it anymore.
How good does Zuc look? Even his coach didnt want him, so Sather ditched the coach and brought Zuc back. It's complicated.
But Sather's managed some minimal success in the meantime, but I think everything (post 2006 or so) has been geared towards right now. Gotta see what happens with this group next 2-3 years.
HFsNumber1Heel
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Sather's been fine since he's hired a real staff. Perfect? Absolutely not, but better. He's pretty much a Hollywood producer, his staff are the ones that make the decisions.
As for trading players like Skeji and Fast? You have like 6 guys signed for next year not including RFAs. You need young and cheap assets with upside. Fast is as close a Callahan replacement and they will find just more skill and slightly less physical. He'll put on more muscle. He's good defensively, a great passer, blocks shots, and now plays the point on the PP, you don't trade that. Gernander loves him.
Skeji is going to be a solid NHL blueliner who can skate and pass the puck. Don't trade that.
If they can get Vatanen, maybe for the first time since Leetch and Zubov they'll have a real PP QB.
As for trading players like Skeji and Fast? You have like 6 guys signed for next year not including RFAs. You need young and cheap assets with upside. Fast is as close a Callahan replacement and they will find just more skill and slightly less physical. He'll put on more muscle. He's good defensively, a great passer, blocks shots, and now plays the point on the PP, you don't trade that. Gernander loves him.
Skeji is going to be a solid NHL blueliner who can skate and pass the puck. Don't trade that.
If they can get Vatanen, maybe for the first time since Leetch and Zubov they'll have a real PP QB.
BTW, Ducks fans are ok moving Vatenen it seems. Is that bad sign? Usually fans overrate their players, if they're ok moving him, I wonder if they know something that we don't.
Ex Officer Friendly
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Really? I think he has a right to be angry and want to go somewhere that they will respect him.
Imagine at work you bust your hump since 2010 and now in 2014 your boss has to choose a committee to go to the corporate offices and give a major presentation. It is a great time to represent your office, and you really want to go. You been employee of the month for this office often carried the workload, and then you get passed over. After all that the boss comes to you and says hey I still expect you to work the hardest you can and represent the office the best way you can but you aren't going to the corporate offices... you may want a transfer..
I think that makes sense, maybe not its been a long night
Ex Officer Friendly
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Might just be that they want Girardi more, and they understand what he could bring. Plus they got Lindholm and Flower to be the Offensive D-Men,
not to sure on the rest of their players
We're only okay moving him if we resign Girardi. Our board will explode if we trade Vatanen for a rental.
Oh, that was yours Pixel? I must've mis-read, tried to find it but couldnt.
At this point would I trust them for a championship?
I dont like being in the position of defending Dolan & Sather;
they were masters of disaster for a very long time.
But now? I really like what I see. The coach, the present roster (needs some muscle still). The prospects. The style.
its a happy team, they play for each other. LOTS of talent.
It's almost a tale of two totally different franchises over 14 years, IMO. Sure, they've got as good a chance as anybody. Just need another move or two. Maybe three haha...
Ya know who'd be good? St Louis haha...
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