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I'm not worried about the pairings, Vatanen is a perfect package for Girardi. You don't pass up something like that because of the pairings. If Girardi wants too much $, that is.
Speculation: Trade Rumor/Speculation Thread XXIV: C'est la St. Louis?
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NYR Viper
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Speculation that they would turn him around. Boomer tweeted his name about an hour ago.
I think with Klein being new as well it will all be in flux & they'll have to see how both of them handle the minutes & settle in.
Luckily we have 2 stud anchors & 2 very steady RD. it should all work out.
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forgot about Zucc being able to play the LW. we still have Kreider and Hagelin there whom AV is a fan of both.
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Funny you say that now that Fast is healthy and Kristo is hurt.
I see what they like in Kristo - I really do - but I think Fast is going to be special. We will regret it if we move him.
I'm going to disagree with you. IMO, Fast is replaceable. (So, is Kristo). The only three prospects I don't move are Miller, McIlrath and Skjei.
Well, I didnt really want to get into this, but I see some of you alluding to it in different ways;
there was a school of thought out there that Callahan and Girardi have seen a lot of guys they came up with treated a bit harshly at contract time, and almost all who decided to fight got themselves dealt; thing is, most of those players were fighting for market money, much like this year with Step (who eventually settled well below, and would have easily won an arbitration case).
and maybe they were determined not to let it happen to them;
The fiscal truth is, the Rangers were trying to lock both these guys up (or were, the Callahan thing is over) and save about $50M off market. So it's not like the players wouldnt have a basis for feeling that way. But are they really in cahoots? IDK about that.
Girardi loves it here, has said as much many times.
Young family, they're agreeing to his price, so whats the problem?
I do remember Sather the day of the Klein trade pointing out he was stuck playing behind Webber but was logging 20+ minutes, inferring he could step up if necessary. He was even asked if it gave insurance against Girardi having to be dealt, and naturally agreed.
I expected nothing less, it is a negotiation after all.
But generally, as the deadline draws closer, the gorilla dust in the air multiplies. Same time, as AV said today, these are the leadership guys, so its real internal stuff. But then AV also said start of season he wanted to change that culture.
So if Girardi's actually in play its a nail-biter.
But gun to my head it (Girardi) is a ruse, and theyre using Boomer to perpetrate it; he was right on MSL, so everyone will believe it;
there was a school of thought out there that Callahan and Girardi have seen a lot of guys they came up with treated a bit harshly at contract time, and almost all who decided to fight got themselves dealt; thing is, most of those players were fighting for market money, much like this year with Step (who eventually settled well below, and would have easily won an arbitration case).
and maybe they were determined not to let it happen to them;
The fiscal truth is, the Rangers were trying to lock both these guys up (or were, the Callahan thing is over) and save about $50M off market. So it's not like the players wouldnt have a basis for feeling that way. But are they really in cahoots? IDK about that.
Girardi loves it here, has said as much many times.
Young family, they're agreeing to his price, so whats the problem?
I do remember Sather the day of the Klein trade pointing out he was stuck playing behind Webber but was logging 20+ minutes, inferring he could step up if necessary. He was even asked if it gave insurance against Girardi having to be dealt, and naturally agreed.
I expected nothing less, it is a negotiation after all.
But generally, as the deadline draws closer, the gorilla dust in the air multiplies. Same time, as AV said today, these are the leadership guys, so its real internal stuff. But then AV also said start of season he wanted to change that culture.
So if Girardi's actually in play its a nail-biter.
But gun to my head it (Girardi) is a ruse, and theyre using Boomer to perpetrate it; he was right on MSL, so everyone will believe it;
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Yeah I just meant beyond them. Duclair is a LW but is at least a couple of years away. Hrivik and Yogan play LW.
Miller is a C/RW.
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According to TSN MSL will only accept being traded to NYR after requesting to be traded.
Sounds like BS to me.
Sounds like BS to me.
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why is it BS? we have Richards who he's played with before.. We have the cap space to keep him if he is still producing, and he lives in CT which is why he wants to be here IMO in the first place because its much closer to his home.
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That would be ridiculous. We need younger pieces moving forward. To gain one and then turn it around would be asanine. If you can't get St Louis directly, don't do it.
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Boomer tweeted Vatanen.. thats all simply put one word.. and people are running with it like we are going to acquire him just to flip him for MSL..
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ah, ok.. I think he wants to be closer to home.. he has a good shot in TB too so why would he want to leave there?.. I think its about being closer to home more than anything.
I didn't mean to question your allegiances to the team, I didn't know I did. I respect that results is what matters most to you, I totally can get that. I agree that from all indications the prices Callahan are seeking are astronomical, but with the way this media game goes, I have no clue if there is any validity to it. Im sure Callahan's asking for more then we realistically think he's worth. But I have a hard time believing his seeking the 7y 49m we've seen. Truth is, this is gonna play itself out and we'll get to see what he gets.
And as for your last paragraph I don't think the rangers are gonna fill Girardi's role to the team if he leaves, I think of Staal leaves, the rangers aren't going to be able to fill his role either. And Callahan is an X-factor, we may be able to replace what he has been asked to this year, but when the games are on the line and the rangers don't have him to send out on the ice, I don't know if the rangers are going to have a replacement for that either. I just don't think the rangers replace those players. A different kind of player thats effective, sure. But our team as we see them now (at the top of their game) will not be the same without them.
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Any chance that Stepan is moved in offseason? Any lingering bad feelings from contract dispute?
Just wondering as a Hawk fan if he could ever be available
Just wondering as a Hawk fan if he could ever be available
Highly doubtful. Our #1 center would be Brassard if we resign him then. Too thin at C. Assuming Richards is bought out.
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it's okay cause it's all just the way it should be
I'm probably pretty low on Stepan compared to most Rangers fans but without him we're terrible at center, so unless he asks for eleven billion dollars it's not likely.
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