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Speculation: Trade Rumor/Speculation Thread XXIV: C'est la St. Louis?

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NikC said:
Lol! The award for best drama goes to.....

These guys haven't won crap! Callahan is on drugs with the $ he's looking for, Girardi is extremely 2 dimensional, and Steal is falling apart

Time to go in a new direction. Ship Callahan and Girardi out of here
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hahaha what can i say man. I was being dramatic. But what can I say. I feel differently then you do
 
AHB said:
I think you'd have to go with

Staal-McD
Moore - Klein
Stralman - Vatanen

I don't really like that. We really don't win the cup, or even stand a chance by inserting Vatanen and MSL for Cally and Girardi.

Outside of Girardi being traded for a solid top 4, we really can't lose him and expect to compete. He's too vital.
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Just disperse minutes throughout the lineup. Klein picks up his PK minutes. Vatanen gets more PP time. Evenly distribute his minutes.
 
Lundsanity30 said:
I think we need to sign Girardi period, trade Callahan for some assets and then see if we can make a move for MSL without giving up too much.. that would be an ideal scenario IMO.. but Girardi has to want to sign the contract that we met that he originally wanted.
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Depending on the assets going the other way for MSL, I could be on board with this.

If we keep G, get a decent package back for Cally and send a 2nd and mid-prospect the other way (no Miller, Fast, Skjei, Allen, etc) I could be down with this.

Prospect would HAVE to be middling and maybe even throw in a later round pick, anything more, I'd be bothered by.

I get he's MSL, but he's also turning 39 in a few months and mortgaging our prospects is certainly not something I'm a fan of
 
NYR Viper said:
Just disperse minutes throughout the lineup. Klein picks up his PK minutes. Vatanen gets more PP time. Evenly distribute his minutes.
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It's not about dispersing those minutes, it's about how they are handled within that allotment. I think Klein is up to the job of handling more minutes, but I don't think Moore is and I certainly don't think Vatanen is ready yet either (hence the reason he's sent back to the AHL).

Honestly, I'd consider using Allen before him.

Staal-McD
Allen-Klein
Moore-Stralman

Meh, on second thought, I guess you slot in SV over Allen, but he's also a RD.
 
AHB said:
I think you'd have to go with

Staal-McD
Moore - Klein
Stralman - Vatanen

I don't really like that. We really don't win the cup, or even stand a chance by inserting Vatanen and MSL for Cally and Girardi.

Outside of Girardi being traded for a solid top 4, we really can't lose him and expect to compete. He's too vital.
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Idk about that.

McD - Vat/Stralman
Staal - Stralman/Vat
Moore - Klein

I wouldn't put Vat with J. Moore, and I wouldn't take McDonagh and Stralman to their off side. Honestly, I would try Vat with McDonagh before anything.
 
AHB said:
Depending on the assets going the other way for MSL, I could be on board with this.

If we keep G, get a decent package back for Cally and send a 2nd and mid-prospect the other way (no Miller, Fast, Skjei, Allen, etc) I could be down with this.

Prospect would HAVE to be middling and maybe even throw in a later round pick, anything more, I'd be bothered by.

I get he's MSL, but he's also turning 39 in a few months and mortgaging our prospects is certainly not something I'm a fan of
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It would also free up some more cap space as well and give us alot of flexibility moving forward.
 
AHB said:
It's not about dispersing those minutes, it's about how they are handled within that allotment. I think Klein is up to the job of handling more minutes, but I don't think Moore is and I certainly don't think Vatanen is ready yet either (hence the reason he's sent back to the AHL).

Honestly, I'd consider using Allen before him.

Staal-McD
Allen-Klein
Moore-Stralman

Meh, on second thought, I guess you slot in SV over Allen, but he's also a RD.
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Just roll with:

Staal-Stralman
McDonagh-Vatanen
Moore-Klein
 
JPP4121 said:
Of course it effects me, who else does it effect. Im just saying it.

Callahan surely has to come down from 7million 7 years if that is in fact with his asking for. but I've said it befre I give them both 6y 36 m deals.

Their loyalty seems to be each other, and isn't that what you want? Do you want the players on the team to be loyal to each other or to you the fan? I want the team I watch to be a team. And you don't get a closer knit group then when guys are willing to go to bat for them.

Pledge your loyalty to the jersey ok, but don't pledge it to ownership/management just bc it seems their interests suits your interest as a fan of the team.

The money being suggested is for callahan is absurd. I don't know if thats what he ends up signing for. So I have no idea if that is a number that is in conversation or has simply been put out there as the official top range.

I don't want management to throw elite level money at them to get a deal done. I want both of the players to be reasonable and I want management to be reasonable and deals to be made.


Cally and G could very well decide they are teaming up in Buffalo. I believe G's family is from toronto. Buffalo and Toronto are fairly close. Just watching the Bs and Sabres and Michaletti was talking about how the sabre owner wants to spend spend spend. Maybe G is willing to take a little less here if that means cally's staying but he's not taking less if he's not.

I don't know man. In the same way that Ive seen whats been coming for the last couple years, coming. If cally and G leave now I know whats coming going forward from that. The rangers aren't going to replace them and Staal gonna leave. And all of the sudden the Rangers have huge gaping holes.
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Let's say that we can both disagree about this without having to question each other's allegiances to the team. I'm a big fan obviously, as I'm sure you are since we're both here talking about dealing maybes in detail.

Personally, I want the players for this team to be loyal to the team above all. If they're all good buddies, that means nothing to me unless it translates to good things for the team. Conversely, if they all hate each other off the ice but get 50 wins and a deep playoff run, their dislike for one another means nothing to me.

As for my own loyalty, like any fan, I like the team and I'm also attached to certain players. Having said that, the team is more important to me than any specific group of players. Maybe that's because of the way I got interested, as it seems that your attachment to this wave of homegrown guys is related to how you got interested in them.

I think everyone wants a reasonable deal to be made. The problem is, everyone defines what's reasonable differently. Callahan apparently thinks ~7 million for 7 years in reasonable. Sather apparently thinks ~6 for 5 years is reasonable. I think Sather happens to be closer to being right in that case, though I'm not a fan of the guy's contract decisions overall.

I think it's easy to assume that Callahan is playing a game of some sort because he's been the fearless leader for a while, but it seems from literally every indication that he isn't budging off of his demands, and the Rangers are so sure of this that they're aggressively shopping him. If that's the case, and again it appears to be from all indications, he's got to go.

I think you're being overly pessimistic assuming that them leaving is going to lead to huge holes. Sather has said he's going to deal them if they don't sign by the deadline. The past few years seem to have broken from the template of lazy, old, overpaid veterans coming here to retire, whether it's because Sather somehow learned something or because the other guys int he office are started to get their voices heard. If G is moved for Vaatanen (sp?) and a forward prospect, and Callahan is moved for either deal we've heard (for MSL with a + going that way, or for Stewart with a + coming back) the holes really aren't that bad. Staal is another story all together IMO.
 
Jeff Gorton is very high on Kristo. He's the one that pushed to acquire him. He's being developed properly. He'll come out next year and open some eyes. He's not getting traded. I like Fast as a player more than Kristo as a player, but I see Fast as the trade bait over Kristo. Fast has injury concerns, I'm really not sure he can stay healthy for a sustained period of time. Is it best to get something for him now?
 
NYGBleedBlueNYR said:
I'd try this first

McD-Stralman
Staal-Vatanen
Moore-Klein

Klein on PK1 w McD
Vatanen now on PP1
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How many people have seen Moneyball? That's the way you replace players. What does Girardi do? He plays big minutes at ES and on the PK.

Give Klein more ES and PK time. Give McDonagh more ES time and less PP time. Vatanen replaces McDonagh's PP time and some of Girardi's ES minutes.
 
I Eat Crow said:
Jeff Gorton is very high on Kristo. He's the one that pushed to acquire him. He's being developed properly. He'll come out next year and open some eyes. He's not getting traded. I like Fast as a player more than Kristo as a player, but I see Fast as the trade bait over Kristo. Fast has injury concerns, I'm really not sure he can stay healthy for a sustained period of time. Is it best to get something for him now?
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what position does Fast play?.. with Nash and Zucc already and maybe MSL.. is there room for him anytime soon to play on the RW? and I also agree that I think they value Kristo more, who also happens to play RW.. log jam.
 
I Eat Crow said:
Jeff Gorton is very high on Kristo. He's the one that pushed to acquire him. He's being developed properly. He'll come out next year and open some eyes. He's not getting traded. I like Fast as a player more than Kristo as a player, but I see Fast as the trade bait over Kristo. Fast has injury concerns, I'm really not sure he can stay healthy for a sustained period of time. Is it best to get something for him now?
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Funny you say that now that Fast is healthy and Kristo is hurt. :)

I see what they like in Kristo - I really do - but I'm not sure he's got it between the ears.

And I think Fast is going to be special. We will regret it if we move him.
 
Lundsanity30 said:
what position does Fast play?.. with Nash and Zucc already and maybe MSL.. is there room for him anytime soon to play on the RW? and I also agree that I think they value Kristo more, who also happens to play RW.. log jam.
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MZA and Fast can play both wings.

The Rangers lack any quality depth at LW so I would think there futures are there.
 
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