Speculation: Trade Rumor/Speculation Thread XXIII: Getcha' pitchforks ready.

[NernieBichols]

Yeah, I mean a rental Iginla forced his way to Pitt last year and they still had to give up a 1st round pick and 2 prospects for him. GMs try to extract fair value in a trade even if their players have a NMC, they just don't have the luxury of a bidding war. They may not get the best package but they can still get a decent haul - I don't think a rental Callahan by itself fits the bill.

It's not ideal but Yzerman could take Callahan and trade callahan for picks/prospects

Heck maybe Yzerman would take Stewart and the 2nd and flip him to St. Louis. Maybe as part of a bigger deal with St. Louis.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

It's not ideal but Yzerman could take Callahan and trade callahan for picks/prospects

Heck maybe Yzerman would take Stewart and the 2nd and flip him to St. Louis. Maybe as part of a bigger deal with St. Louis.

I don't think you make a trade that then requires/with the idea of making another trade.

 

[Jackpot]

Im sure "Do you know Ryan Callahan is an olympian and a coaches dream?!" will be the selling points that pull the wool over a GM's eyes; to the reality that he is a 2nd/3rd line RW that wants almost $50M....oh, AND will cost assets at the deadline.

lol,

"Do you know Callahan wants 7.14mil per over 7 years?! " I know there's been info leaked he was looking for 6.5, but 7.14...wow. As for him being the type of player I referenced, absolutely willing to put my mortgage on it.... Please provide anything ever printed to contradict my statement...

 

[Thirty One]

I don't think you make a trade that then requires/with the idea of making another trade.

Why not? How lazy is he?

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Why not? How lazy is he?

Well that sounds risky, what if the other trade falls through?

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

Sweet if the Rangers get a scapegoat back, it frees them up to trade Boyle.

Nice one. I laughed.

 

[NernieBichols]

I don't think you make a trade that then requires/with the idea of making another trade.

No I'm not saying we trade for st. louis and then trade callahan. Im saying maybe it ends being a 3 way deal where Tampa gets stewart and a 2nd, the Blues get Callahan, and St. Louis in NY.

Gives yzerman a replacement for this year and next, and a pick. Yzerman can't trade St. Louis for a rental, he needs to have received pieces going forward to offset St. Louis leaving. Now its not ideal for Yzerman (Stewart, 2nd) I'm sure, but maybe they can get Stewart on track again.

Again this is based on St. Louis forcing a trade. All of this is, thats whats so lame when people start saying its fantasyland to think it could happen. As I said the first night, this isn't a traditional hockey trade where its equal value based if it goes down. It goes down bc St. Louis isn't budging on his stance that he wants to be traded to the rangers before the deadline.

 

[Thirty One]

Well that sounds risky, what if the other trade falls through?

Like if you arrange a deal with the third team, and in the 20 minutes it takes for the league to process that trade, they call take-backsies?

In the very unlikely event of that happening, Tampa would still have a very marketable asset in Callahan.

 

[NernieBichols]

I don't think you make a trade that then requires/with the idea of making another trade.

And if your saying Yzerman wouldn't want to do that, I say if St. Louis is forcing a trade he has no choose. He has to do his due diligence and get the best return back. Now if the best return back from the rangers is a rental callahan and Yzerman knows he's not signing him.

Well at least he's open to trade Callahan to all 29 other teams, which gives him access at 29 teams players and prospects, as opposed to just the ones the rangers are willing to move.

 

[AHB*]

Like if you arrange a deal with the third team, and in the 20 minutes it takes for the league to process that trade, they call take-backsies?

In the very unlikely event of that happening, Tampa would still have a very marketable asset in Callahan.

But what's the point of acquiring that asset with the sole focus of trading him anyway?

I guess an argument could be made for the whole NTC/NMC thing, but I just can't see any GM really doing this.

Although, I think something with Hossa may have happened somewhat similiarly.

 

[Clown Fiesta]

I don't think you make a trade that then requires/with the idea of making another trade.

Probably not but maybe TB is interested in Stewart and a pick, doubtful but who knows.

 

[Thirty One]

But what's the point of acquiring that asset with the sole focus of trading him anyway?

You have an asset Team A wants. Team A doesn't have the assets you want. Team B does.

 

[SupersonicMonkey*]

seems like there has been a lot of talk about St. Louis wanting to come to NY that is not stopping Pixel. Do you notice it? fantasy land is long term rebuild when you just signed Lundqvist to the contract they did.

There is talk of it, there is also talk of how there is no chance a 1 for 1 happens. And when Tampa demands a prospect(s) and pick(s) on top of Callahan, that's where the conversation will end. Sather can sign him as a free agent in summer of 2015.

Secondly, its incredibly laughable that trading Callahan and Girardi for younger players and prospects means "full rebuild". As if there are no veteran players on the roster other than Callahan and Girardi.

Mindnumbing.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

Im beginning to get the feeling that the Rangers will hold onto both of them and will lose one or both of them come summer.

 

[NernieBichols]

There is talk of it, there is also talk of how there is no chance a 1 for 1 happens. And when Tampa demands a prospect(s) and pick(s) on top of Callahan, that's where the conversation will end. Sather can sign him as a free agent in summer of 2015.

Secondly, its incredibly laughable that trading Callahan and Girardi for younger players and prospects means "full rebuild". As if there are no veteran players on the roster other than Callahan and Girardi.

Mindnumbing.

Or perhaps Yzerman will lower his demands, take the best deal he can get.

Maybe there is a lull right now and silence from tampa bc Yzerman and company are working the phone, finding out what teams who are interested in callahan as a rental will pony up to the lighning, which fit the lightning blueprint and needs more. Maybe there are players/prospects that yzerman loves who he didn't have the assets to pick up that now with callahan's rights can.

Maybe Yzerman wants to be able to soften the blow to the tampa bay lightning fan base by having tangible assets to show at the time the rumors/trade is addressed.

I don't know how many different debates and discussions are going on here, regarding the same rumor: And I know everyone is looking at it, through different possible ranges of knowledge, opinion, etc...

But understand the talk is occurring, bc of rumors which were put out by a good source and have since been confirmed, while also saying that its not gonna happen. Yet no body has heard from the player or the GM. So, again. if your opinion of this rumor is that it is fantasy bc its callahan-st. louis 1-for-1, your pigeon holing yourself by looking at it solely from that basis. There is so much more to it, and people are discussing that, much more then saying st. louis-callahan as a rental is logical or equal hockey value.

Its like your mocking people, while conveniently looking at it from a limited POV.

Yeah, Im talking about this trade, going down with the parameters we've heard. And no, I don't think St. Louis for callahan as a rental would normally be looked at with any reasonably to it. That is what as Boomer said, made it shocking.

 

[AHB*]

Im beginning to get the feeling that the Rangers will hold onto both of them and will lose one or both of them come summer.

Lol, wouldn't shock me in the slightest.

Or their rights will be traded for a 7th rounder the day before the draft.

 

[Ail]

Guys I think we cracked the code.

This is a potential three way trade. Rangers get MSL and a conditonal first for Callahan. The conditional 1st goes to the Rangers if Steve flips Callahan to someone in the Metropolitan divison.

 

[NernieBichols]

There is talk of it, there is also talk of how there is no chance a 1 for 1 happens. And when Tampa demands a prospect(s) and pick(s) on top of Callahan, that's where the conversation will end. Sather can sign him as a free agent in summer of 2015.

Secondly, its incredibly laughable that trading Callahan and Girardi for younger players and prospects means "full rebuild". As if there are no veteran players on the roster other than Callahan and Girardi.

Mindnumbing.

whoa whoa, Im not saying that. More extremes and absolutes.

Im saying that Ive read other posts of yours where (I could be mistaking you with someone else) you've stated that you think a full rebuild, where they try to stockpile picks and net a few top 10 picks over the course is the way to go forward with this organization as currently constituted.

And look I'd be on board with that if the situation dictated that was the best course of action. It's not right now. But if I am wrong about your overall philosophy on it, I apologize

 

[lJuicel]

Im beginning to get the feeling that the Rangers will hold onto both of them and will lose one or both of them come summer.

I see you Glen Sather, on the HF Boards trying to plant that seed on the fan base.

 

[Punxrocknyc19*]

Lol, wouldn't shock me in the slightest.

Or their rights will be traded for a 7th rounder the day before the draft.

or Sather could try something like this

2007/06/18 Nashville Predators traded Kimmo Timonen and Scott Hartnell to the Philadelphia Flyers for a 1st round selection in 2007. this happened less than a month they were to become UFA.


any chance of the Rangers packaging Girardi and Callahan together???

 

[Thirty One]

or Sather could try something like this

2007/06/18 Nashville Predators traded Kimmo Timonen and Scott Hartnell to the Philadelphia Flyers for a 1st round selection in 2007. this happened less than a month they were to become UFA.


any chance of the Rangers packaging Girardi and Callahan together???

Philly negotiated with Timonen and Hartnell beforehand and had deals worked out. That might be harder with Callahan, especially if he's committed to going to Buffalo.

 

[Trxjw]

Not sure how a TBL fan's opinion of McDonagh belongs this thread. Keep it on topic.

 

[Infinitum Vitae*]

Not sure how a TBL fan's opinion of McDonagh belongs this thread. Keep it on topic.

Don't want any player from Tampa now.... trade with the blues!

 

[Pizza]

Im beginning to get the feeling that the Rangers will hold onto both of them and will lose one or both of them come summer.

Same here.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

Im beginning to get the feeling that the Rangers will hold onto both of them and will lose one or both of them come summer.

I'm not - at least not yet. I think everyone's just getting their feet back under them after getting back from the Olympics and vacations. GMs are (re)assessing where they stand, probably want to get several practices and 1-2 games out of the way and then we'll see the market start to loosen.