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Speculation: Trade Rumor/Speculation Thread XXIII: Getcha' pitchforks ready.

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You guys will most likely be so disappointed with Stewart come January of 2015.

Just say no man. No.

And Boyle? And Boyle at 3/20.

I will be so pissed at the team, legitimately floored.


EDIT: give me OTT as an UFA and give Buffalo Stewart. Heck give Buffalo Stewart and the 2nd. I want nothing to do with crossing my fingers on Chris Stewart, hoping he'll put it together consistently.
 
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eco's bones said:
The Martin St. Louis thing was a very nice pipe dream. I think most of us have woken up from that and are back more in the world of reality.

Chris Stewart and a good prospect is not a bad return IMO. He'll fit into the lineup. He won't do all the things that Callahan does but he's a big, physical forward with some skill. Just has to bring his best game more often. Rangers somewhat lack size and grit going into the playoffs. He addresses that issue if he plays hard.
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Still sleeping over here. It's not even the most ideal move in my mind, but looking at the situation I can't say it is dead until it is confirmed so.

I don't like the idea of Stewart, but it's still better than Callahan walking.
 
BrooklynRangersFan said:
Park Slope - but born and raised in Prospect Heights (looooong before it gentrified into Park Slope NE).

And you didn't answer my question there, my Brooklyn brother. :)
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Ah, worked that area for many years. How's things there now (if its ok to deviate from a moment from Martymania)?

and I tried :) It doesnt matter, really. Assume neither.
Truth is, things are kept so tight nowadays, especially with the NYR, you need to be in the room to know.
Flip side is, any deals, the guy eventually has to, you know.....play LOL. It becomes pretty public at that point ha.
 
BrooklynRangersFan said:
Park Slope - but born and raised in Prospect Heights (looooong before it gentrified into Park Slope NE).

And you didn't answer my question there, my Brooklyn brother. :)
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When it comes to the rumors you can't get straight answers out of anyone right now. Even fellow posters. :D
 
NYR Viper said:
I know the Rangers have liked Dan Boyle for quite a while. He may not be the same player he was but he is still a very useful top-4 d-man who can move the puck. He is available in free agency. 37 years old so he won't require a long-term commitment. Maybe they like that idea to pair him with either Staal or McDonagh.

That's the great thing about having Staal and McDonagh. You don't NEED to have a top-pairing RD to play with them. Hell, Stralman has played VERY well with Staal. He is not close to a top-pairing guy.
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But having a steady guy like Dan affords McD or anyone on the left to pinch in without having to worry about getting totally burned. That's what AV wants, pinching and forwards covering to get offensive zone puck possession time.
 
Ail said:
Yeah trading him now is a mistake. He's the kind of player I'd rather they flip at the draft for negotiation rights or something.
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Has a player like Boyle ever had his rights traded prior to July 1?
 
Ail said:
When it comes to the rumors you can't get straight answers out of anyone right now. Even fellow posters. :D
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LOL. I'd say, especially right now, the stakes are pretty high, and I think a lot of care goes into how this is laid out & executed publicly.
They need to deal a 28-yr old Ryan Callahan, their captain but a UFA-to-be. Girardi's hanging in the balance (though I continue to believe, is done). They've been building this a long time, and could be ready to turn the corner and become truly elite. Sather, say what you will of him, the man's had a storied career. And what happens with this group will weigh heavily in history's judgement, IMO.
So there's a lot on the line.

So we'll only hear what they want us to hear, unless it comes from the other team's camp. That's why when you see that Dreger 99.9% remark, it's like a whistle going off; it's time.
 
IMHO, some of the trade scenarios being laid out for Callahan are unrealistic.

The market for forwards is somewhat flooded (Moulson, Vanek, Legwand, Ott, Hemsky, Erat).
That is seven guys including Callahan. Are there even seven teams in the leauge willing to part with top picks for a rental forward?

To say that Callahan returns a 1st and a top prospect while at the same time suggest that Hemsky will only get a 3rd or a 4th seems a little off base to me.

If we get Stewart plus a 2nd round pick we've done very well IMO.
If we want to go futures route.. if we received a Top 5 prospect from someone's system we've done very well also.

Girardi is a totally different story. A shut down RH minutes eating defensemen is far more difficult to come by than a grinding 2nd/3rd line forward. He will also have far more impact on a team's stretch run than a player like Callahan would.

Just my 2 cents but I think the majority are overrating Callahans market value.
I hope I am dead wrong BTW :)
 
Cliffy1814 said:
IMHO, some of the trade scenarios being laid out for Callahan are unrealistic.

The market for forwards is somewhat flooded (Moulson, Vanek, Legwand, Ott, Hemsky, Erat).
That is seven guys including Callahan. Are there even seven teams in the leauge willing to part with top picks for a rental forward?

To say that Callahan returns a 1st and a top prospect while at the same time suggest that Hemsky will only get a 3rd or a 4th seems a little off base to me.

If we get Stewart plus a 2nd round pick we've done very well IMO.
If we want to go futures route.. if we received a Top 5 prospect from someone's system we've done very well also.

Girardi is a totally different story. A shut down RH minutes eating defensemen is far more difficult to come by than a grinding 2nd/3rd line forward. He will also have far more impact on a team's stretch run than a player like Callahan would.

Just my 2 cents but I think the majority are overrating Callahans market value.
I hope I am dead wrong BTW :)
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As a rental though, Callahan is more valuable than pretty much all of them with the exception of Vanek given the type of game he brings for a playoff run.
 
Larrybiv said:
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But having a steady guy like Dan affords McD or anyone on the left to pinch in without having to worry about getting totally burned. That's what AV wants, pinching and forwards covering to get offensive zone puck possession time.
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This is crazy that Boyle is steadier then Girardi defensively. Im not engaged in the thread today if its gonna be about Boyle.
 
People like to crap all over Stewart, but him plus another quality asset or two really is pretty good value for a UFA Callahan. You get a player back who can step right into Callahan's spot without the dropoff being too bad, and he's locked up for another year. You also get some assets for the future. Just like Pouliot and Brassard, Stewart is inconsistent. That doesn't make him a terrible player or lazy. If he can put it all together under a new coach, you have a possible long-term asset. If not, you can still flip him to another team next deadline for a decent return.

Obviously, it depends on what the Blues would be adding on top of Stewart in that deal, but if you can get one or two really good additional assets, that would be a smart, shrewd deal.
 
RGY said:
As a rental though, Callahan is more valuable than pretty much all of them with the exception of Vanek given the type of game he brings for a playoff run.
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Ott brings pretty much the same game, no?
Most really good teams already have good locker rooms and grinders. Most are looking for scoring. If you asked the LA Kings if they'd rather have Moulson or Callahan I am pretty sure based on the construction of their team they'd want Moulson.
 
Revelation said:
If Boyle can be had for anything up to $2M for up to 4 years, I would absolutely re-sign him.
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Boyle said earlier he was 'realistic" about his impending status.
I took that to mean he'd take a discount to stay, and I sure hope he does. The guy is a great soldier.

And just to add what I was saying about how much is on the line here; I see the Stewart stuff popping up again, and I thought it'd be a very interesting deal and a decent return given circumstances.

But the spot Sather's in, if he has the choice of MSL or Stewart, I think above all else he goes for the sure thing. Age/size be damned. I dont think anyone anticipates St Louis coming here and disappointing or choking on it.

Oh boy, now Ive done it haha..
 
HockeyBasedNYC said:
I wonder if the Rangers are trying to squeeze Cally into another game or 2 or 3 before trading him. Risky proposition.
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I think it's more leverage/time than anything right now. Sather is trying to see if Cally/G come off their demands and also trying to work the best deal.
 
HockeyBasedNYC said:
I wonder if the Rangers are trying to squeeze Cally into another game or 2 or 3 before trading him. Risky proposition.
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Sather may have no choice if the offers out there are not what we need to be getting in return. Sitting Callahan sends the message that you're desperate for a deal, or you buy into the notion that he's an injury waiting to happen. It also could deflate the locker room seeing their captain a dead man walking.
 
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