Speculation: Trade Rumor/Speculation Thread XXIII: Getcha' pitchforks ready.
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Ghost of jas
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Dreger had it pegged at 99.9% that Callahan would be dealt. I don't believe it's a Sather ploy.
NYR Viper
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gotta still think Girardi is signed before the deadline. It just makes sense to keep him as the top RD, then Klein, then either resign Stralman or McIrath comes in next yr. LD is set it seems
Cally is gone. Just hope they get a ton
Cally is gone. Just hope they get a ton
I expect what they get will be about 165lbs soaking wet LOL;
and I expect it before game time tomorrow.
What I'm wondering is, what else do they do before rosters lockdown?
Brooklyn Rangers Fan
Change is good.
I think Slats tried to create a false deadline of the Olympic break - as did a number of other teams that are looking to move players - but no one was biting. It takes the real deal to provide real pressure.
However, while several reporters wrote/spoke about the Olympic deadline as a message that Slats was trying to enforce, I don't think I've seen anyone say the same thing about tomorrow's game. The only things I've seen about first games back is all in the form of writers' (and sports radio talk show hosts') opinions that they would "likely want to get it done by" then - I haven't seen it reported as "the Rangers are telling teams" or anything like that.
darko
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maybe Boyle gets dealt, Miller goes to center and Fast gets recalled or maybe Lindberg gets a game or 2.
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I think the false deadlines are just glenny saying he'd like it done by then... Which is true I'm sure. He'd like to not worry about Cally getting hurt in the Olympics, he'd like to not play meaningful games with a lame duck captain again risking an injury that would make dealing him as a rental all but impossible.
That doesn't mean that he'll be dealt before tomorrow. I would think if it happens today or tomorrow it'll be a lopsided deal for NYR. If it doesn't, it means Glen is waiting for offers to get better.
That doesn't mean that he'll be dealt before tomorrow. I would think if it happens today or tomorrow it'll be a lopsided deal for NYR. If it doesn't, it means Glen is waiting for offers to get better.
HatTrick Swayze
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Rangers are riding a fine, fine line by exposing Callahan to injury risk.
I get that they don't really have a choice - can't force other teams to bite before the deadline. But if he is 99% being traded that is a big time risk.
I get that they don't really have a choice - can't force other teams to bite before the deadline. But if he is 99% being traded that is a big time risk.
NYR Viper
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This is my fear as well. Hold the player out. Make it known you are serious.
Funny you should mention that, cause there've been some recent rumblings. He's UFA too. Though especially if they're bringing in MSL, I just can't see giving up anymore size; they need to add, not subtract;
I've been wanting Lindberg here since training camp, but dont know they intro a kid with 20 games left (though they've had recent success this time of year).
and guess it should be mentioned; there is the possibility the whole MSL thing is another attempt to set the market; I thought at the time the Stewart story, which came almost a month ago, was an attempt to set the floor for Callahan. MSL, such a visible & respected player, could be the attempt at a ceiling as time draws tight. i.e. if it's not something as terrific or better, dont bother calling LOL. But I dont think so, think its real.
eco's bones
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This is about the time that some team out of the top 6 or 7 tries to one up everyone else. To me the player they're going to be looking at first though is Vanek. Unless TB really has in mind to move St. Louis --Vanek is the best scoring forward available. On Anaheim, Pittsburgh, Chicago, San Jose or Boston--he'll just up the offense quotient more than any other going into the playoffs. I think there is quite a bit of interest in Callahan but he might not move for a few more days.
And to Callahan--if the Rangers know they're moving him they might want to sit him. No point in risking his getting injured. It might complicate things for the next couple games but you won't lose whatever he returns. IMO--they won't do that though.
NYR Viper
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The more I think about it, the more comfortable I become with a deal like Chris Stewart + for Callahan.
Stewart comes in and plays 2/3RW, add's size which this team needs desperately and some bite to the forward corps. He is not a consistent player but he has an underrated shot and he knows how to score goals which this team will also need. He is a good skater as well which will fit this system.
I am hopeful they could pull out a good young prospect like Schmaltz/Vanelli + a pick, maybe Edmonton's 2nd from the Pajaarvi deal in the off-season.
See how Stewart plays. If he plays well, he can be looked at to re-sign. If not, then you have yet another asset to move next year while giving the younger players like Fast, Miller and Kristo more time to develop either in the AHL or with a bit more sheltered minutes.
It's a deal for both the current and the future.
Turning to the Girardi deal, I think Anaheim makes the most sense from the teams rumored. They have a ton of forward prospects either close to, or in the NHL currently. Etem, Rakell, Noesen, Friberg, Kerdiles and they have a good, young puck moving prospect in Theodore. Palmieri is already in the NHL and would be a solid addition as well.
Something like:
Etem/Rakell + Theodore + 1st
They add (2) pieces that look to be on their ways to having NHL futures + a pick that should as well in the 1st. Unless Vatanen is available, which I HIGHLY doubt, this makes sense.
If he is available:
Vatanen + forward prospect/1st
Stewart comes in and plays 2/3RW, add's size which this team needs desperately and some bite to the forward corps. He is not a consistent player but he has an underrated shot and he knows how to score goals which this team will also need. He is a good skater as well which will fit this system.
I am hopeful they could pull out a good young prospect like Schmaltz/Vanelli + a pick, maybe Edmonton's 2nd from the Pajaarvi deal in the off-season.
See how Stewart plays. If he plays well, he can be looked at to re-sign. If not, then you have yet another asset to move next year while giving the younger players like Fast, Miller and Kristo more time to develop either in the AHL or with a bit more sheltered minutes.
It's a deal for both the current and the future.
Turning to the Girardi deal, I think Anaheim makes the most sense from the teams rumored. They have a ton of forward prospects either close to, or in the NHL currently. Etem, Rakell, Noesen, Friberg, Kerdiles and they have a good, young puck moving prospect in Theodore. Palmieri is already in the NHL and would be a solid addition as well.
Something like:
Etem/Rakell + Theodore + 1st
They add (2) pieces that look to be on their ways to having NHL futures + a pick that should as well in the 1st. Unless Vatanen is available, which I HIGHLY doubt, this makes sense.
If he is available:
Vatanen + forward prospect/1st
Well the 'good' news is, unlike the Olympics, Callahan was not playing with his usual reckless abandon with the Rangers this season. While any player can be injured at any time, the way Callahan used to play with us exposed him to injury even more. Has he consciously or subconsciously been protecting himself from injury to some extent due to his impending UFA status? Perhaps.
NYR Viper
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Team's tried that last year with Jagr and Iginla. You have to have minutes available for those players in order for them to play well. The teams you mentioned don't have a ton of offensive minutes available, but they are always looking for a jack of all trades who can get 18-20 minutes in all situations. Hence, Callahan has a lot of value.
HatTrick Swayze
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I had the exact same thought earlier in the season. I think it's definitely a possibility.
Still though, the injury vs Nashville was on not much contact. Not like he was diving head first into a Chara slapper.
That's some keen insight for so early in the morning
Definitely, people have noticed.
And hey, it's about time he dialed it back, for self-preservation purposes if nothing else. Everybody learns to pace themselves.
Sheesh, Messier spent years picking his spots when to engage, when not. He kept himself viable for the playoffs, which is the name of the game. I can't remember a healthy Callahan in the playoffs. And it's really hurt the team; they're not the same without him.
eco's bones
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The Martin St. Louis thing was a very nice pipe dream. I think most of us have woken up from that and are back more in the world of reality.
Chris Stewart and a good prospect is not a bad return IMO. He'll fit into the lineup. He won't do all the things that Callahan does but he's a big, physical forward with some skill. Just has to bring his best game more often. Rangers somewhat lack size and grit going into the playoffs. He addresses that issue if he plays hard.
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NYR Viper
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Most players are not consistent, especially goal scorers. He is an offensive forward for sure. Good for ~25 goals a year. I'd take that even if he is inconsistent. Put him on a line with Hagelin who can do some of the dirty work down low.
eco's bones
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Vanek's a lot younger than both Jagr and Iginla. Last year's playoffs Jagr was having a real problem keeping up. Iginla is not nearly the player he used to be. Pens missing Dupuis--Vanek slots right in on Crosby's line. Don't see the problem there. Keep in mind that when you get a goal scorer like Vanek--your main competition doesn't get him. Vanek's a legit 1st line player. Whoever trades for him will find a spot--there will probably be holes to fill with what goes back to the Isles.
Brooklyn Rangers Fan
Change is good.
That's some keen insight for so early in the morning
Definitely, people have noticed.
And hey, it's about time he dialed it back, for self-preservation purposes if nothing else. Everybody learns to pace themselves.
Sheesh, Messier spent years picking his spots when to engage, when not. He kept himself viable for the playoffs, which is the name of the game. I can't remember a healthy Callahan in the playoffs. And it's really hurt the team; they're not the same without him.
So, Todd, (you don't mind if I call you Todd, do you?
) I've noticed several comments like these sprinkled throughout your posts since you joined us. As phrased, they imply that you have ties to people in the league and are reporting on substantive things you've heard from people who would know - but you aren't going so far as to come out and say so.Which invites the question... are you reporting on what actual NHL people are saying to you/in your presence?
Or are you just providing commentary/opinions with a very high degree of confidence?
eco's bones
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Stewart has one year left on his contract after this year. It's like kicking the can down the road for us and he has every reason to be motivated next year because he'll be playing for his next contract. We may have the same situation next year moving him.
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