Speculation: Trade Rumor/Speculation Thread XXII: St Louis vs St Louis

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

FWIW, I dont think the Rangers would part with Miller for MSL

 

[SnowblindNYR]

All the people saying that this will be a typical Ranger move, when was the last time we traded young assets for an aging vet? Nash was like 28. That's not old and we didn't trade any blue chippers for him.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

All the people saying that this will be a typical Ranger move, when was the last time we traded young assets for an agin vet? Nash was like 28. That's not old and we didn't trade any blue chippers for him.

This, they also refused to part with young players for Dan Boyle who they really wanted.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

This, they also refused to part with young players for Dan Boyle who they really wanted.

I won't say that we haven't had deals for "stars" (Nash), but people that are having flashbacks to 2001 or something need to get a grip. We don't seem to operate like that anymore.

Although I guess Clowe would be an example, but we traded picks not actually good prospects. Still don't like that trade.

 

[haveandare]

For starters, probably JT Miller. Final deal could be something like JT Miller, Skjei/McI, and probably a conditional pick.

He is 38, though. Also, he's apparently requested a trade only to the Rangers. Those two things helps us leverage wise.

I would be so disappointed if they did that. That is giving away an awful lot of future that they've already invested a lot in for a player who could be here for less than two years.

 

[SlingshotVv]

Lol so now its:

??? for St. Louis

Then trade Callahan in separate deal to recoup assets.

Wouldnt be a terrible idea.

We JUST went through this with Nash! Trade a bunch of assets for Nash; trade Gaborik to recoup those assets. For a star player sure, for an absolute need (1C). Sure. For St. Louis? Nope. I'm all in for Callahan for Marty swap, but none of this free wheelin' and dealin' nonsense with Sather at the helm.

 

[NoQuitInNewMexico]

I still think we won the CBJ trades because we got away from Gaborik *flies away on broomstick*

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

We've traded a ****ton of picks over the last four (especially two) years and have definitely raided the farm. The fact that the players we acquired in those deals weren't actually decrepit makes it okay to then give away yet more of our futures for guys who are?

Besides, the fact that Sather's managed to restrain himself for a couple of years is not justification for going out and starting that nonsense once again.

 

[AHB*]

I won't say that we haven't had deals for "stars" (Nash), but people that are having flashbacks to 2001 or something need to get a grip. We don't seem to operate like that anymore.

Although I guess Clowe would be an example, but we traded picks not actually good prospects. Still don't like that trade.

And it would be reverting right back to poor asset management. We gutted our team for Nash, which hasn't worked out well. Our farm system isn't amazing. We don't have assets to give away for guys who aren't long term solutions here.

We also aren't one piece away from being cup contenders, unless that piece is Crosby or Malkin.

You don't part with good, young, cost-controlled assets for aging stars. That's not what this league is about anymore.

If we are Boston or Pitt, I agree. But we're not. We're a team that needs to add pieces for the future, not deduct. We're not contenders and anyone saying otherwise is just fooling themselves. This team is a step above mediocrity. Trading away someone like Miller or Fast, etc, for a guy like MSL is just insane.

You may keep pointing to 2001 as scarring us and maybe it has, but show me one teams business model that was to trade away good, young assets (arguably their best) for aging geezers like St. Louis?

We don't have enough young talent in this lineup to subsidize that.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

And it would be reverting right back to poor asset management. We gutted our team for Nash, which hasn't worked out well. Our farm system isn't amazing. We don't have assets to give away for guys who aren't long term solutions here.

We also aren't one piece away from being cup contenders, unless that piece is Crosby or Malkin.

You don't part with good, young, cost-controlled assets for aging stars. That's not what this league is about anymore.

If we are Boston or Pitt, I agree. But we're not. We're a team that needs to add pieces for the future, not deduct. We're not contenders and anyone saying otherwise is just fooling themselves. This team is a step above mediocrity. Trading away someone like Miller or Fast, etc, for a guy like MSL is just insane.

You may keep pointing to 2001 as scarring us and maybe it has, but show me one teams business model that was to trade away good, young assets (arguably their best) for aging geezers like St. Louis?

We don't have enough young talent in this lineup to subsidize that.

I don't like how people are so arrogant about their beliefs of this team like their opinion is the only one. I don't think the team is a contender, but it's quite arrogant to say "you're fooling yourself" if you do. Not everyone's opinion will be exact as yours. I personally think this team is more talented and play a style much more conducive to winning than that AMAZING 11-12 team.

 

[stan the caddy]

St. Louis is really good player, if it would only take a JT Miller to land him, that's a no-brainer. I would have loved to see them go into a rebuild but they didn't. They re-signed Hank and now there's a window. Getting one of the best offensive players in the league is a slam dunk. I still don't buy the rumours, though.

 

[BobMarleyNYR]

We've traded a ****ton of picks over the last four (especially two) years and have definitely raided the farm. The fact that the players we acquired in those deals weren't actually decrepit makes it okay to then give away yet more of our futures for guys who are?

Besides, the fact that Sather's managed to restrain himself for a couple of years is not justification for going out and starting that nonsense once again.

YES!

This would be "more of the same." The stigma, as we've seen, is lasting.

Definitely trade Callahan... but for something better than a player who is a crapshoot from year-to-year at this point. Hell of an athlete, but 39, no... my reasoning is well-documented at this point...

 

[aufheben]

And it would be reverting right back to poor asset management. We gutted our team for Nash, which hasn't worked out well. Our farm system isn't amazing. We don't have assets to give away for guys who aren't long term solutions here.

We also aren't one piece away from being cup contenders, unless that piece is Crosby or Malkin.

You don't part with good, young, cost-controlled assets for aging stars. That's not what this league is about anymore.

If we are Boston or Pitt, I agree. But we're not. We're a team that needs to add pieces for the future, not deduct. We're not contenders and anyone saying otherwise is just fooling themselves. This team is a step above mediocrity. Trading away someone like Miller or Fast, etc, for a guy like MSL is just insane.

You may keep pointing to 2001 as scarring us and maybe it has, but show me one teams business model that was to trade away good, young assets (arguably their best) for aging geezers like St. Louis?

We don't have enough young talent in this lineup to subsidize that.

Agreed. I'm not even sure adding MSL makes this team a contender.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

I entirely disagree that St Louis would not make this team a contender. with the best goalie in the game, and a better offense, absolutely anything can happen in the playoffs.

 

[Hi ImHFNYR]

I don't like how people are so arrogant about their beliefs of this team like their opinion is the only one. I don't think the team is a contender, but it's quite arrogant to say "you're fooling yourself" if you do. Not everyone's opinion will be exact as yours. I personally think this team is more talented and play a style much more conducive to winning than that AMAZING 11-12 team.

Especially when that person holds the classically misguided opinion that the Nash trade alone somehow "gutted" a team that retained, Stepan, kreider, Hags, Cally, McD, Staal, Girardi, Richards, Gaborik, Stralman, Boyle, Rupp. Oh ya Dubs and Artie were just too big. Elitest of the elite those two were! Nash could never hope to fill either one of their shoes! Richards and Gaborik deciding to no show the season gutted that team. The Nash trade simply teased a fanbase by providing a player one off season too late. It's stunning how many folks ignore how awful those two were and they also ignore losing Fedotenko, Prust, Sauer none of those had anything to do with Nash though. We also lost Malkin although I don't think that was a biggie

 

[aufheben]

Especially when that person holds the classically misguided opinion that the Nash trade alone somehow "gutted" a team that retained, Stepan, kreider, Hags, Cally, McD, Staal, Girardi, Richards, Gaborik, Stralman, Boyle, Rupp. Oh ya Dubs and Artie were just too big. Elitest of the elite those two were! Nash could never hope to fill either one of their shoes! Richards and Gaborik deciding to no show the season gutted that team. The Nash trade simply teased a fanbase by providing a player one off season too late

Wow, this isn't hypocritical at all.

 

[Infinitum Vitae*]

Pouilot has been very good lately, I wouldn't want him playing 13th forward. I don't want to break up the 3rd line

To late...we won't see that line for a couple weeks

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Am I saying the Rangers are cup favorites if they add a scorer like St.Louis?.. No.

Am I saying they get one step closer to fighting their way out of the East because he would help the scoring? Damn right.

and when you can score more than 1 goal.. and you have the best goalie in the world.. you damn sure have a chance every night, against anyone.

 

[AHB*]

I really can't believe people would trade JT Miller for a guy who's 18 years older then him.

Shiny new toy, shiny new toy

The "new" nhl with the salary cap isn't built with geezers. It's built around young, cost-controlled assets with a SMART (keyword) mixture of high end/veteran players.

Gutting our farm (which we've done repeatedly the past couple seasons) is a recipe for disaster. One we narrowly avoided with the exchange of Gaborik and one we will head right back towards in packaging prospects and picks for an aging vet like MSL.

Please look at our center depth chart. Realize that teams do not win cups without very good centers. St. Louis is great, but adding him to Stepan, Brassard and Richards will not get you a cup.

 

[Kocur Dill]

What is this window you speak?

The Knicks, another Dolan flub job, have had a turn style of talent run through the halls of MSG in a multitude of "windows" going on decades now since the Reilly/VanGundy years. Years where the Knicks were one of the toughest, biggest, nastiest, teams in the league who could shoot, rebound, and play stingy defense. A team built around concept.

In 23+ years of watching this team I've witnessed two actual team buildings. The pre-94 team that saw a core of a few players get boosted by a core of vets from the Hawks & Oilers WCF teams, and the recent core of young grimy Rangers who are systematically getting traded off as we speak today as well as the cubbords of our farm system.

And for what?

Windows?

Windows, windows, windows....

I've been sold this catch phrase for probably 18-20 seasons of the 23+ I've been watching.

Getting tired of "windows". I wanna see a plan. A philosophy. And stick to it.

Windows seem to get broken every 4 years around this neighborhood and there is never a plan to replace them before the inevitable, just whip out that Hartford Visa card and charge the bandaid to the future every time.

 

[aufheben]

Am I saying the Rangers are cup favorites if they add a scorer like St.Louis?.. No.

Am I saying they get one step closer to fighting their way out of the East because he would help the scoring? Damn right.

and when you can score more than 1 goal.. and you have the best goalie in the world.. you damn sure have a chance every night, against anyone.

Of course it would. But he's not a #1C or a scoring defensemen. Derek Stepan as our #1C and McDonagh being our only defensemen who puts up points is gonna send this team home. I would love to be proven wrong, but I would bet money on that statement.

 

[haohmaru]

Agreed. I'm not even sure adding MSL makes this team a contender.

It does.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

I really can't believe people would trade JT Miller for a guy who's 18 years older then him.

Shiny new toy, shiny new toy

The "new" nhl with the salary cap isn't built with geezers. It's built around young, cost-controlled assets with a SMART (keyword) mixture of high end/veteran players.

Gutting our farm (which we've done repeatedly the past couple seasons) is a recipe for disaster. One we narrowly avoided with the exchange of Gaborik and one we will head right back towards in packaging prospects and picks for an aging vet like MSL.

Please look at our center depth chart. Realize that teams do not win cups without very good centers. St. Louis is great, but adding him to Stepan, Brassard and Richards will not get you a cup.

it could be some people aren't that high on Miller.

 

[aufheben]

It does.

It doesn't. See, great argument.

 

[BobMarleyNYR]

Agreed. I'm not even sure adding MSL makes this team a contender.

It doesn't. Just a step closer.