Speculation: Trade Rumor/Speculation Thread XXI: Boomer is running this board.
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Well, he wants to get paid. And unlike most players the Rangers pay, he actually earned it by playing his ass off for this team. You can see why that irks so many posters here; its so far off the norm. Usually, the Rangers only open the checkbook to players that haven't done a damn thing for this team, and most likely never will.
Nevermind how for YEARS, all most Ranger fans were looking for was a homegrown, hardworking, all-around player with no ego. A guy that put the front of the jersey first every night. But now that it is no longer convenient, now that for the first time in years, he shows a flaw, the revisionist history takes over. Suddenly, he's a piece of crap. "He's a plugger." "Don't let the door hit ya..."
Right, these are the sentiments Callahan deserves from this team's fans.
For the record, if this rumor is true, and the Rangers are getting MSL (which makes far less sense now than it did 2 years ago when Tortorella was stll here, which is when I brought up MSL as possibly eventually coming to the Rangers), he's probably my 2nd favorite non-Ranger player after Datsyuk. He's incredible. A true pleasure to watch play. But I still think moving Callahan is a terrible mistake.
I can't understand why people think players like Callahan are so easy to replace, because they aren't, and that will become obvious over the next few years when suddenly there is a noticeable lack of that one player that is so effective at disrupting the opposing team's plans as often as a Callahan does.
Callahan just isn't the same player anymore. He misses significant time every season. He wants way more than he's worth, and for longer term. I think I could (reluctantly) swallow giving him $5M for 7 years, but he wants almost $2M more than that, and shows no signs of budging. Nostalgia only takes you so far in this town. I think most of us could handle a modest overpayment, but what Callahan wants is so far beyond what we should be giving him. He priced himself out of New York. He has every right to do so, but excuse me if my common sense overwhelms my sense of nostalgia in this case. Callahan made this decision very easy for management.
Well, he wants to get paid. And unlike most players the Rangers pay, he actually earned it by playing his ass off for this team. You can see why that irks so many posters here; its so far off the norm. Usually, the Rangers only open the checkbook to players that haven't done a damn thing for this team, and most likely never will.
Nevermind how for YEARS, all most Ranger fans were looking for was a homegrown, hardworking, all-around player with no ego. A guy that put the front of the jersey first every night. But now that it is no longer convenient, now that for the first time in years, he shows a flaw, the revisionist history takes over. Suddenly, he's a piece of crap. "He's a plugger." "Don't let the door hit ya..."
Right, these are the sentiments Callahan deserves from this team's fans.
For the record, if this rumor is true, and the Rangers are getting MSL (which makes far less sense now than it did 2 years ago when Tortorella was stll here, which is when I brought up MSL as possibly eventually coming to the Rangers), he's probably my 2nd favorite non-Ranger player after Datsyuk. He's incredible. A true pleasure to watch play. But I still think moving Callahan is a terrible mistake.
I can't understand why people think players like Callahan are so easy to replace, because they aren't, and that will become obvious over the next few years when suddenly there is a noticeable lack of that one player that is so effective at disrupting the opposing team's plans as often as a Callahan does.
That was a great post. Yeah I feel you man, so much haha. As much as I love watching St. Louis and are excited at developments that the return for Callahan goes from Stewart and a 2nd to Martin St. Louis. Thats like mind blown. Go Boom.
But if Callahan decides today he'll take that 5 yr 30 million contract. Im a happy man and I won't look back twice.
JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK
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Well, he wants to get paid. And unlike most players the Rangers pay, he actually earned it by playing his ass off for this team. You can see why that irks so many posters here; its so far off the norm. Usually, the Rangers only open the checkbook to players that haven't done a damn thing for this team, and most likely never will.
Nevermind how for YEARS, all most Ranger fans were looking for was a homegrown, hardworking, all-around player with no ego. A guy that put the front of the jersey first every night. But now that it is no longer convenient, now that for the first time in years, he shows a flaw, the revisionist history takes over. Suddenly, he's a piece of crap. "He's a plugger." "Don't let the door hit ya..."
Right, these are the sentiments Callahan deserves from this team's fans.
For the record, if this rumor is true, and the Rangers are getting MSL (which makes far less sense now than it did 2 years ago when Tortorella was stll here, which is when I brought up MSL as possibly eventually coming to the Rangers), he's probably my 2nd favorite non-Ranger player after Datsyuk. He's incredible. A true pleasure to watch play. But I still think moving Callahan is a terrible mistake.
I can't understand why people think players like Callahan are so easy to replace, because they aren't, and that will become obvious over the next few years when suddenly there is a noticeable lack of that one player that is so effective at disrupting the opposing team's plans as often as a Callahan does.
Honestly, I think you're living in the past, man. Yes, Callahan has been a very good player for this team for the last few years, but let's take a step back and look at what has been accomplished - not all that much in the way of overall success. Yes, his a valuable player, but he is not a #1 center, a #1 defenseman, a #1 winger...he is a high level complimentary player, but he's asking for game-breaker type money.
The thing that seals if for me are his playoff performances. He has never truly stepped up his game in the playoffs. Add that in with his ridiculous contract demands and his tendency to get hurt. It's quite clearly taking a toll on his game.
BobMarleyNYR
Rangers future on D
I wouldn't like this trade for either team... I'd be happier waiting 2-3 years for Forsberg, Jaskin, Grigorenko, a 2014 top-10 to hit stride with us, than have one of the to p players in the game for 2-3 years tops.
We'd have the guys I mentioned to help us contend for 12-15 years, and we're much more than a St. Louis away from winning it all for probably 3-4 years.
Lemme say, MSL is an abhorration, a late-bloomer that didn't become what he is until like after 30. That said, he's going on 40, and there is simply no way he will be any good in 3 years. He's gonna be a classic star, who keeps up the pace, and then he'll just hit a wall. My guess is it'll be next season. He's not gonna wane or fizzle out, he'll just hit the wall.
We're looking to maximize the return for Callahan, who, as competitive as he is, doesn't make his team a contender. He's not helping us with his price-tag BUT... if TBL is willing to trade St. Louis, then I'm positive other teams would make legitimate offers. I'd rather Fraser from Boston, Brown from Toronto or Smith-Pelly in Anaheim, and a late 1st or top-six F from any of those teams.
Trading our captain, under 30, for a guy nearing 40 sounds like an all-too familiar tactic, that never worked (not saying we shouldn't trade Callahan).
We'd have the guys I mentioned to help us contend for 12-15 years, and we're much more than a St. Louis away from winning it all for probably 3-4 years.
Lemme say, MSL is an abhorration, a late-bloomer that didn't become what he is until like after 30. That said, he's going on 40, and there is simply no way he will be any good in 3 years. He's gonna be a classic star, who keeps up the pace, and then he'll just hit a wall. My guess is it'll be next season. He's not gonna wane or fizzle out, he'll just hit the wall.
We're looking to maximize the return for Callahan, who, as competitive as he is, doesn't make his team a contender. He's not helping us with his price-tag BUT... if TBL is willing to trade St. Louis, then I'm positive other teams would make legitimate offers. I'd rather Fraser from Boston, Brown from Toronto or Smith-Pelly in Anaheim, and a late 1st or top-six F from any of those teams.
Trading our captain, under 30, for a guy nearing 40 sounds like an all-too familiar tactic, that never worked (not saying we shouldn't trade Callahan).
eco's bones
Registered User
St. Louis is still a hell of a player. If we can get a good prospect or draft pick with that it would be ideal. It's probably a lot more likely that the Rangers hang on to Richards. All in all that might turn it into a bad thing.
I would like to see it be Tatar from all the clues I have it down to Tatar nyqvist plekanic St. Louis and voracek
Brooklyn Rangers Fan
Change is good.
Never mind the fact that the Redden, Gomez and especially Drury deals (not to mention Brown, Clarkson, Clowe, etc. for other teams) should have taught us the folly of giving him the contract he's seeking. We all lambast those deals in retrospect, scorn at giving them to anyone else in the future... but suddenly we're throwing that all out the window because Callahan is currently wearing a NYR sweater as opposed to one of the other 29? I simply don't understand.
BobMarleyNYR
Rangers future on D
NoQuitInNewMexico
it's okay cause it's all just the way it should be
I don't think that bonafide 1C player coming here in the short-term is a real possibility. Teams don't let those guys go.
IMO playing three out of Brassard, Stepan, Stastny, Richards and an older, more developed Miller is not going to sink a team that's really strong everywhere else. When you compare it to, I don't know, waiting three years for someone who isn't an elite elite prospect or giving up fair value for a Kadri-type who could really go anywhere careerwise, it's hard to blame the FO for being conservative. I don't want to see us stand by the Richards contract though, he should be gone after this year.
IMO playing three out of Brassard, Stepan, Stastny, Richards and an older, more developed Miller is not going to sink a team that's really strong everywhere else. When you compare it to, I don't know, waiting three years for someone who isn't an elite elite prospect or giving up fair value for a Kadri-type who could really go anywhere careerwise, it's hard to blame the FO for being conservative. I don't want to see us stand by the Richards contract though, he should be gone after this year.
BobMarleyNYR
Rangers future on D
Disagree, Callahan has earned whatever the market bears for his services. Unfortunately, that market will price him out of the NYRs plans it appears. Whichever team pays that price will get a helluva player until they send him to the glue factory whenever that may be.
Fitzy
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I have no doubt MSL will decline, but I'm missing your examples of a player who simply hit a wall after posting something like 7 straight close to or above PPG seasons.
NYR haven't had a truly old player playing forward since Shanahan/Prospal. Other teams manage to survive with them, why not us?
LORDE
I am Lorde, YA YA YA
I agree with this. I know MSL is an amazing player, and yes we would instantly be better (not knowing what we are adding, if anything) but IF/WHEN we move Cally I'd like it to be for something that will help long term.
Maybe that's a pipe dream.
But MSL is small and certainly no spring chicken... I dunno. But I'm inclined to agree with your post.
Hunter Gathers
The Crown
To state, matter of factly, that there is no way St. Louis will be any good in three years is just laughable.
BobMarleyNYR
Rangers future on D
Me neither, but prospects aren't bonafide, never untouchable. Pricy maybe, but hey...
haveandare
Registered User
Well, he wants to get paid. And unlike most players the Rangers pay, he actually earned it by playing his ass off for this team. You can see why that irks so many posters here; its so far off the norm. Usually, the Rangers only open the checkbook to players that haven't done a damn thing for this team, and most likely never will.
Nevermind how for YEARS, all most Ranger fans were looking for was a homegrown, hardworking, all-around player with no ego. A guy that put the front of the jersey first every night. But now that it is no longer convenient, now that for the first time in years, he shows a flaw, the revisionist history takes over. Suddenly, he's a piece of crap. "He's a plugger." "Don't let the door hit ya..."
Right, these are the sentiments Callahan deserves from this team's fans.
For the record, if this rumor is true, and the Rangers are getting MSL (which makes far less sense now than it did 2 years ago when Tortorella was stll here, which is when I brought up MSL as possibly eventually coming to the Rangers), he's probably my 2nd favorite non-Ranger player after Datsyuk. He's incredible. A true pleasure to watch play. But I still think moving Callahan is a terrible mistake.
I can't understand why people think players like Callahan are so easy to replace, because they aren't, and that will become obvious over the next few years when suddenly there is a noticeable lack of that one player that is so effective at disrupting the opposing team's plans as often as a Callahan does.
I agree with you in large part, and I think a lot of posters are talking the guy down to sort of brace themselves for the fact that he's going. However, he absolutely hasn't earned what he's asking for. His asking price is ridiculous and no team that is built well is going to have the room to pay him that.
NYR Sting
Heart and Soul
The bolded is completely untrue.
The last time he missed significant time before this season was 2010-11. He usually misses 5 games per season; that isn't significant time. And to write off a 29 year old player because he has had one poor half-season with no training camp, a new coach, and a couple of injuries is senseless. He's not the first guy to struggle for a few months, or even for an entire season. Plenty of players struggle at different points in their career and regain their game.
Same here.
The contract doesn't bother me, because this team always finds a way to extricate itself from bad deals one way or another. The cap will keep rising. And I disagree with you about his playoff performance, as well. Not Callahan's fault that this team has always relied too much on him to score. His play away from the puck has always been solid in the playoffs even if his scoring hasn't kept up. This team can't score, and until they land a legit top line playmaker, that won't change. Good luck acquiring one through free agency. His contract won't keep the Rangers from acquiring top offensive talent, because that kind of talent is almost never acquired through free agency or trade. It is usually acquired through the draft.
I love MSL. He's one of the 3-4 best players of his generation, IMO. But he isn't going to solve their problems, IF this rumor is even true to begin with.
Savant
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Marty St. Louis would be a terrific return. Significant upgrade, and if he doesn't work out let him walk when his contract runs out or trade him as a rental at the next deadline. This isn't rocket science. By the way his cap hit next year will probably be smaller than Callahan's. Always go for the better player.
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BobMarleyNYR
Rangers future on D
Specific examples... I can look some up... but wasn't Brett Hull one? Maybe not, I'll check... but it's typical for those elite guys to have just a change in heart or something. They maybe could hit 75 pts. until 50, but, for whatever reason, they're just not in it anymore. It's uncommon but there have been many such guys. Human biology also plays a role at some point. MSL doesn't have much mileage on him, but a 40 simply can't do what a 25 year old can do... unless he's Mick Jagger's son.
a 40 year old MSL can do a hell of a lot more than most 25 year olds. Marty isnt the norm, hes an exception.
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