Rumor: Trade Rumor/Speculation Thread XIX: The Olympic Freeze

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

I think Brian Boyle is in the upper-echelon of players you don't trade.

In this board's constant quest for offense, they forget what Boyle provides - and that this team (on the roster and in the system) doesnt have many players like him.

 

[Thirty One]

I think Brian Boyle is in the upper-echelon of players you don't trade.

In this board's constant quest for offense, they forget what Boyle provides - and that this team (on the roster and in the system) doesnt have many players like him.

What does he provide? Falling down? Getting punched in the face? Stone hands?

#preemptive

 

[gary laser eyes]

I think Brian Boyle is in the upper-echelon of players you don't trade.

In this board's constant quest for offense, they forget what Boyle provides - and that this team (on the roster and in the system) doesnt have many players like him.

Moore. He will cost less than Boyle and they are redundant.

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

Moore. He will cost less than Boyle and they are redundant.

Moore does not equal Boyle.

 

[gary laser eyes]

Moore does not equal Boyle.

You're right. Moore has more offensive upside and is better at face-offs.

 

[BBKers]

Either you believe you're a legitimate contender, in which case you can seriously pursue rentals, or you don't in which case any rental is frivolously flushing assets down the toilet. Period.

2nd round picks and Fasts and Kristos have meaningful value. 4th round picks, even 6th round picks have value (Callahan was a 4th, Hagelin a 6th). Are the odds great? No. But you don't waste them for what you believe is an ill-fated run. Rather, you collect more of them from the guys who are going for it in order to increase your overall odds of finding another Callahan or Hagelin, because while the odds for each individual pick aren't great, they get better and better for a draft overall, the more picks you include.

Also, if you don't think your team is championship worthy, what is the point of propping it up to win one more PO game before it falls out? All you've done is worsen your draft position. I'm not saying you don't root for your team to win - lord knows, every time the puck drops, I do. But when making deals, this current team should only be looking to the future. And if the core that's here now then goes on to surprise in the POs, that's a fantastic bonus that I will celebrate for days.

Lindberg was a 2nd round puck, not Fast (we traded for Lindberg from Phoenix for our former 2nd rounder - the headcase known as Ethan Werek). Kristo - also a 2nd round pick chosen 56th overall in the 2008 NHL Entry Draft - was acquired in the trade for our 2nd round pick Christian Thomas who was drafted 40th overall by the New York Rangers of the 2010 NHL Entry Draft. Thomas has played NHL hockey - Kristo has not as of yet.
Fast went in the 6th round, #157 overall, in 2010. We acquired him (the pick) as a piece from The Carolina Hurricanes' as their sixth-round pick went to the New York Rangers as the result of a trade on June 26, 2010 that sent a former NYR 1st round pick in bust Bobby Sanguinetti to Carolina in exchange for a second-round pick in 2011 (later traded to Calgary for Tim Erixon that later was a chip in the Rick Nash acquisition) and this pick - ie Fast.

 

[Inferno]

Boyle makes too much money for what he gives you. i'd trade him.

he's going to want a raise.

 

[aufheben]

I think Brian Boyle is in the upper-echelon of players you don't trade.

In this board's constant quest for offense, they forget what Boyle provides - and that this team (on the roster and in the system) doesnt have many players like him.

I don't want to trade him either.

 

[007]

Boyle makes too much money for what he gives you. i'd trade him.

he's going to want a raise.

This is the issue with Boyle, not his game. He just makes quite a lot for his role and will probably get a raise elsewhere. Coaches apparently love him.

 

[NYR Viper]

Boyle makes too much money for what he gives you. i'd trade him.

he's going to want a raise.

This is where I am too. It's not that I don't value what he brings, I just don't think it's worth overpaying for it. He will get 2.5-3 million on the open market. The guy is a 4th line C.

 

[007]

This is where I am too. It's not that I don't value what he brings, I just don't think it's worth overpaying for it. He will get 2.5-3 million on the open market. The guy is a 4th line C.

I agree completely -- I think he'd actually be hard to replace on the roster, but you might get some quality draft picks for him. This is a roster-management case, not a "get rid of him" issue, like some people seem to think.

 

[Thirty One]

I definitely would like the re-sign Dom Moore. I think he does have some offensive ability tucked away. There's bound to be some rust, he took an entire year off. He's been a great ES scorer in recent history.

First 24 games this season: 0 goals, 1 assist
Last 27 games: 4 goals, 7 assists

He's played on 26 NHL teams, I'm guessing he'd jump at a chance at a 3 year deal at a reasonable AAV.

 

[NoQuitInNewMexico]

I'd like us to keep both Moore and Boyle if at all possible, we've been crying out for a fourth line like this one for years. Especially if we're preparing for life without Callahan, we need high-level defensive forwards. Brian Boyle will get good money from someone who needs him. Who would need him? Maybe a team with an unbalanced forward corps that plans on contending within the term of his contract?

 

[Vitto79]

This is the issue with Boyle, not his game. He just makes quite a lot for his role and will probably get a raise elsewhere. Coaches apparently love him.

what some fans don't get is usually teams in the Rangers position try to add and they don't move valuable UFA players.

Yea the Rangers may lose first round or they may blow it and not even make the playoffs but if they are in the same spot come the deadline which they likely are then they don't move a Pker and good face off guy for a pick. Teams like Edmonton and Florida do cause they need a complete rebuild

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

You're right. Moore has more offensive upside and is better at face-offs.

If you say so. I'm not particularly in the mood to argue with anyone today about personal opinions.

 

[BBKers]

I definitely would like the re-sign Dom Moore. I think he does have some offensive ability tucked away. There's bound to be some rust, he took an entire year off. He's been a great ES scorer in recent history.

First 24 games this season: 0 goals, 1 assist
Last 27 games: 4 goals, 7 assists

He's played on 26 NHL teams, I'm guessing he'd jump at a chance at a 3 year deal at a reasonable AAV.

26 is the new 9. Or is it the other way around?

 

[Thirty One]

I'd like us to keep both Moore and Boyle if at all possible, we've been crying out for a fourth line like this one for years. Especially if we're preparing for life without Callahan, we need high-level defensive forwards. Brian Boyle will get good money from someone who needs him. Who would need him? Maybe a team with an unbalanced forward corps that plans on contending within the term of his contract?

I've never viewed Boyle and Moore making each other redundant. Do Staal and McDonagh make each other redundant?

 

[Cassano]

Del Zotto finished 12th one year for the Norris. Not really comparable to Callahan consistently being in the Selke mix couple with a much, MUCH more consistent career.

Cumulative Selke voting over the past 5 years:

http://leafshero.wordpress.com/2013/09/15/cumulated-selke-voting-over-past-5-years/

Callahan is 8th.

It's basically based off of reporters like Damien Cox for the most part. I don't take too much ground into that, but to each his own.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

Lindberg was a 2nd round puck, not Fast (we traded for Lindberg from Phoenix for our former 2nd rounder - the headcase known as Ethan Werek). Kristo - also a 2nd round pick chosen 56th overall in the 2008 NHL Entry Draft - was acquired in the trade for our 2nd round pick Christian Thomas who was drafted 40th overall by the New York Rangers of the 2010 NHL Entry Draft. Thomas has played NHL hockey - Kristo has not as of yet.
Fast went in the 6th round, #157 overall, in 2010. We acquired him (the pick) as a piece from The Carolina Hurricanes' as their sixth-round pick went to the New York Rangers as the result of a trade on June 26, 2010 that sent a former NYR 1st round pick in bust Bobby Sanguinetti to Carolina in exchange for a second-round pick in 2011 (later traded to Calgary for Tim Erixon that later was a chip in the Rick Nash acquisition) and this pick - ie Fast.

I know. I was listing 2nd round picks as one category and players like Fast and Kristo in another - as in "this team shouldn't be trading 2nd round picks or players like Fast/Kristo for rentals.

Sorry for any confusion.

 

[Miller Time NYR]

I dont see Sather moving Boyle, I think during the offseason its going to be a take it or leave it type situation, Boyle's great defensively and works hard but if we can get Dom Moore on a better deal for longer you do it, their face-off stats have been similar this season which is a plus.

Also a fun fact I heard about the other day, we basically traded Mark Messier for Ryan Callahan in 2003 when we traded Messiers rights to the Sharks for future considerations. So whoever we trade Callahan for we are trading Messier for

 

[Thirty One]

I dont see Sather moving Boyle, I think during the offseason its going to be a take it or leave it type situation, Boyle's great defensively and works hard but if we can get Dom Moore on a better deal for longer you do it, their face-off stats have been similar this season which is a plus.

Also a fun fact I heard about the other day, we basically traded Mark Messier for Ryan Callahan in 2003 when we traded Messiers rights to the Sharks for future considerations. So whoever we trade Callahan for we are trading Messier for

I'm ok with trading the captain, but I wouldn't trade two captains.

 

[RGY]

You're right. Moore has more offensive upside and is better at face-offs.

Hmmm...


Dom Moore stat line this year: 4G 8A 12P FO% 55.2

Brian Boyle stat line this year: 4G 9A 13P FO% 54.7


Yeahhhh HUGE DIFFERENCE in offense and face-offs...

 

[NYR Viper]

Hmmm...


Dom Moore stat line this year: 4G 8A 12P FO% 55.2

Brian Boyle stat line this year: 4G 9A 13P FO% 54.7


Yeahhhh HUGE DIFFERENCE in offense and face-offs...

But if Moore costs $1.5 million ($500k above his current salary) and Boyle costs $2.5 million it's a no brainer. I think that is what they are both looking at.

 

[Raspewtin]

I dunno, I kinda want to resign Boyle and Moore, as long as they aren't dumb expensive. We have a great 4th line right now.

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

But if Moore costs $1.5 million ($500k above his current salary) and Boyle costs $2.5 million it's a no brainer. I think that is what they are both looking at.

RangerBlue said nothing about production relative to salary.

RGY used stats to disprove what he was saying.

Boyle is grittier and tougher. He may not be strong on his skates and thus he may be at a disadvantage when he fights, but he's much much tougher than Moore. He sticks up for his team mates and he hits hard. He sells out more than anyone not named Ryan Callahan. When there is a scrum, Boyle's the one who goes in first.

Moore and Boyle are not comparable.

The comparison shouldn't be between them but Moore and Lindberg.

Lindberg is cheaper and will likely produce better than Moore on the 4th line. He's likely defensively just as responsible and can be used in the same situations Moore is used in. Additionally, since both aren't the most physical players and have similar physical frames and skill sets... they should be the ones compared when it comes to substitution on the 4th line.