TheTakedown
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agree, that's just stupid. Boyle will ask for something like 2.1M, Sather will offer him 1.8, they'll meet at 1.9, done deal.
Rumor: Trade Rumor/Speculation Thread XIX: The Olympic Freeze
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agree, that's just stupid. Boyle will ask for something like 2.1M, Sather will offer him 1.8, they'll meet at 1.9, done deal.
Raspewtin
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I'd even say 2 million is a stretch. I like Boyle and always have but he doesn't score enough to justify that salary. He's a big body who brings lots of intangibles, and I appreciate everything he does. But even at the salary he makes now, I think that's fair payment, and he got that contract after his 20 goal season.
The cap isn't going up high enough to justify 4th liners making that kind of money yet. He's a 4th liner, and him playing anywhere else is misuse.
jerseyjinx94
I jinx players.
Honestly, I think it's a bunch of malarkey. Boyle is integral to this team, he has been a leader and a great locker room presence. He's not the best player on our team but $2-3 million is not going to put us over the cap. We can't just overhaul the roster constantly.
Gaustad was used on Nashville's 3rd line when they acquired him. They also invested a 1st round pick to him to acquire him, meaning that not retaining him could have been catastrophic. They are a small market team that relies on good trades and productive drafting.
If they trade a 1st round pick their team needs to justify that. Keeping Gaustad was a priority after that idiotic trade. So...they offered him a premium to stay.
Gaustad also was like top 5 in faceoffs the year they resigned him and as you said a couple posts ago "a lot toffer" than Boyle. Like it or not, teams pay more for "toffness". Isn't that what you said?
Ail
Based and Rangerspilled.
Agreed.
I do have a doctorate in quantum physics though in case anyone was wondering.
NoQuitInNewMexico
it's okay cause it's all just the way it should be
I think a lot of it is Clarkson Terror (or Prust Paranoia if we're going to be alliterative) where people assume that with a rising cap and lots of buyers, the market for sandpaper players is just going to get bigger and scarier. And I want to keep Boyle, but some of it is justified.
Most of these arguments about salary and team construction are really circular, that's just the way it is. All I can do is try to tune out some of the dumber/angrier stuff and throw in my position of "well, we should keep most of the depth players, but I don't really know." I like our bottom six a lot and I hope we keep as many of them as we can, I think they're all improvements over their AHL replacements save Pouliot-Miller (probably a wash), but we never really know the salary numbers.
We don't know the exact stance of Callahan and his agent; we don't know the market for him. He probably ends up leaving for something that hasn't been in the papers and we've never theorycrafted on here. It's all just fun - I don't understand why people ever take it personally, or feel so entrenched in their position to get angry about it like you can tell with some of the tone here sometimes. We have very limited information.
Thirty One
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You should have done that a long time ago, tbh.This is where I tell you you're stupid for not thinking like me, I presume?
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jerseyjinx94
I jinx players.
Also, everyone cites Boston and Chicago as teams to follow. Boston gave Chris Kelly, a fourth liner, 4 years and $12 million. He was important to their team. They haven't fallen apart.
Boyle's contract is 1.7 mill for a cap of 64.3. That is 2.6% of the team.
Cap is supposed to go up to 70 next year. Let's say it goes up to 75 by year 3 of his contract (a 2.2/yr for 3 year contract). That is 2.9% of the cap. A .3% increase.
You guys are fussing about a .3% increase in cap allocation to a guy that's great for our locker room?
****. I'm done talking about this.
Thirty One
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OK, but you're still talking about Gaustad getting ~30% more than Boyle at $2.5M.
In spite of that contract, or because of it?
Does it make sense to argue about it this early? There are months before we find out what he gets. Months.
I don't know what he'll get. I'm speculating he'll require a .5 million/year increase because of the rising cap and his agent will likely require an increase relative to the cap increase. His production has generally remained consistent minus that spike year during our ECF run. He's been relegated to the 4th line this year, the year that matters most (usually) in contract negotiations.
Gaustad was top 5 in faceoffs. Gaustad is/was tougher. Nashville also overpayed for him and a team like that can not afford to overpay for half a season and not have a future asset after it.
If he gets an offer for 2.5-3 mill a year I don't think he's a Ranger next year. But I don't think he gets that offer. I don't think its a useful allocation of time for any of us to be arguing about what he'll get... cause we don't know.
If we establish 2.51 mill as a benchmark for the amount he's not worth, you and I are potentially in agreement. Below 2.51, if he's retained for any amount, I don't think people will riot down to city hall throwing molotov cocktails left and right.
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I don't care if the cap is going up, 3 million for a 4th liner is insane. I guess Stepan should've got 6 or 7 million with this kind of thinking. I don't get this board, Callahan isn't worth 6.5 million but Boyle is worth 3 million. That 3 million can be put towards a player who scores goals and has "Boyle qualities" or resigning future players who make it.
Ail
Based and Rangerspilled.
Now apply this to every argument on here for the most part and welcome to HFBrods.
Why stop at 3 million? Boyle could get 7 mill per! Probably will. Insanity I tell you!
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jerseyjinx94
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The point is that some players are worth more than just what the numbers say and there is an important element to consider, camaraderie. Boyle is loved by his teammates, his coaches. He is well worth a $2-2.5 million price tag. Everyone keeps saying things like "that's $3 million you can spend elsewhere..." on what? The next flawed player? The next player that we can all ***** and moan about? The next player that we can say is overpaid? I just don't get it. Let's let everyone go so we can reallocate all of our money to other players, who we are not familiar with, who have never played together as a team, and who we will likely overpay for. Makes sense. I agree that you have to be somewhat cost-conscious in a salary cap world, but honestly, a salary cap doesn't require us to churn out a new team every year. There's money to go around.
Raspewtin
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Chris Kelly has been a 15 goal scorer more than once and has put up 30 pts a few times and is a 3rd liner PK player..
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=31865
id like to see Boyle do that..
Kelly has 238 pts 104 goals in 638 games
Boyle has 95 pts 50 goals in 368 games
id rather have Dom Moore over Boyle... Moore can at least skate and keep up in the play.
I'm a big fan of Brian Boyle, like the hockey player, like the person.
He is a guy that I would look into trading if there is a penalty kill, and faceoff option for the Rangers, whether in the minors, or can be brought in for a low pick, because Brian Boyle will get a nice return at the deadline.
Decent prospect or a late 1st or 2nd round pick for a role that is replaceable for far less.
Replacing Boyle's role with a Antoine Rousell or Andrew Desjardins type of player... fast, tough, gritty 4th liner that can skate and win draws.. will give the Rangers overall team a great boost by having 4 fast lines.
Would fit the system better and make the team faster.
He is a guy that I would look into trading if there is a penalty kill, and faceoff option for the Rangers, whether in the minors, or can be brought in for a low pick, because Brian Boyle will get a nice return at the deadline.
Decent prospect or a late 1st or 2nd round pick for a role that is replaceable for far less.
Replacing Boyle's role with a Antoine Rousell or Andrew Desjardins type of player... fast, tough, gritty 4th liner that can skate and win draws.. will give the Rangers overall team a great boost by having 4 fast lines.
Would fit the system better and make the team faster.
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BTW Boyle at $3M isn't a stretch as a UFA... Lots of teams will want him... The league isn't flourshing with competent role players at 6'7" 250.
Teams may vision more out of him as a net front presence or shut down center. Roles he has played in under Tortorella. That Fedetenko-Boyle-Prust line was very good for a while. NHL GMs and agents have seen it.
I see him signing for term at a ~$2.8M range on a 4 year deal. MTL & CHI will take a look at him. EDM will throw money at him as UFA. Teams will want him to match up against big centers.
CHI needs to replace Handzus, and someone to check the Kopitars, Thorntons, and Backes out west. MTL needs size down the middle and help on their PK.
I'd congratulate Boyle on a hard earned big contract. The guy's earned it.
Teams may vision more out of him as a net front presence or shut down center. Roles he has played in under Tortorella. That Fedetenko-Boyle-Prust line was very good for a while. NHL GMs and agents have seen it.
I see him signing for term at a ~$2.8M range on a 4 year deal. MTL & CHI will take a look at him. EDM will throw money at him as UFA. Teams will want him to match up against big centers.
CHI needs to replace Handzus, and someone to check the Kopitars, Thorntons, and Backes out west. MTL needs size down the middle and help on their PK.
I'd congratulate Boyle on a hard earned big contract. The guy's earned it.
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