Speculation: Trade / Roster Speculation Thread XXXIV: Over the edge of being a little closer.

[Ola]

Zuccarello

Yeah, he could be. Or even Brassard. Or MSL?

But Zucc isn't much of a shooter. We also don't have many right handed shooting options either. Fasth? Stepan?

My point isn't that we must keep BR. I also definitely don't have to worry about replacing BRs minutes 5 on 5.

But the PP is an issue already and it is definitely hurt a lot if BR is dumped. We must definitely strengthen it a bit if BR leaves.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Sign Boyle trade klein, re-sign Stralman.

Trade Klein? Why? He's a steal at his current contract.

 

[Cassano]

Trade Klein? Why? He's a steal at his current contract.

I feel Boyle fits more in line to AV's system.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I feel Boyle fits more in line to AV's system.

Trading Del Zotto for Klein got us the consistency we have been looking for, for years. You want to throw that away?

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

Trading Del Zotto for Klein got us the consistency we have been looking for, for years. You want to throw that away?

The better question is you want to trade a good contract for two big contracts. And this is coming from a guy who has not been overwhelmed by Klein.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

The better question is you want to trade a good contract for two big contracts. And this is coming from a guy who has not been overwhelmed by Klein.

Those two "big" contracts would be going to players who proved their worth for this team. It's not like we're trading Klein to go out and overpay Stastny.

 

[Tawnos]

Those two "big" contracts would be going to players who proved their worth for this team. It's not like we're trading Klein to go out and overpay Stastny.

Pretty sure the Boyle he's talking about is Dan.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Pretty sure the Boyle he's talking about is Dan.

Oh.

**** that. Boyle is washed up and old. Would much rather keep Klein.

BRIAN Boyle needs to be re-signed.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

Oh.

**** that. Boyle is washed up and old. Would much rather keep Klein.

BRIAN Boyle needs to be re-signed.

Hello.

 

[Tawnos]

Oh.

**** that. Boyle is washed up and old. Would much rather keep Klein.

BRIAN Boyle needs to be re-signed.

Completely agree. But Mint has also had it out for Klein since we got him, mostly based on his advanced stats, despite his coming from a team/system where almost everyone's advanced stats were awful, especially Shea Weber's.

My feeling is that, with a proper training camp, Klein would look just as good next to Staal as Stralman has. I'd like to find a way to keep Stralman, because I love our D group, but I'd be comfortable with Klein moving up.

I'm also not sure why we'd go after D.Boyle and not Niskanen.

 

[E-Train]

Completely agree. But Mint has also had it out for Klein since we got him, mostly based on his advanced stats

Correction: completely based on Stralman's nationality vs. Klein's.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Completely agree. But Mint has also had it out for Klein since we got him, mostly based on his advanced stats, despite his coming from a team/system where almost everyone's advanced stats were awful, especially Shea Weber's.

My feeling is that, with a proper training camp, Klein would look just as good next to Staal as Stralman has. I'd like to find a way to keep Stralman, because I love our D group, but I'd be comfortable with Klein moving up.

Eh, I don't know. Klein is decent, but I don't think he has the skating or puck handling abilities to provide what Stralman has. Now, I don't think he'd be a detriment in that spot (even if he were, Staal would largely make up for it), but I do think he'd be a noticeable downgrade.

At this point, I'm all about re-signing the guys we have now, including Stralman.

I'm also not sure why we'd go after D.Boyle and not Niskanen.

Boyle would probably come here on a 1-2 year deal, fairly cheaply...Niskanen will probably be looking for $5M-$6M per on a long term contract.

 

[Tawnos]

Eh, I don't know. Klein is decent, but I don't think he has the skating or puck handling abilities to provide what Stralman has. Now, I don't think he'd be a detriment in that spot (even if he were, Staal would largely make up for it), but I do think he'd be a noticeable downgrade.

At this point, I'm all about re-signing the guys we have now, including Stralman.



Boyle would probably come here on a 1-2 year deal, fairly cheaply...Niskanen will probably be looking for $5M-$6M per on a long term contract.

I have a better opinion of Klein than many here, admittedly, mostly because I've watched a ton of him being an effective 2nd pair guy. The puck handling is the main thing Stralman has over Klein, but I also feel like Klein's puck movement is underrated by Rangers fans. He's kept his game extremely simple since arriving here, which is why I make the point of needing to have the proper training camp first.

And Dan Boyle is going to be looking to equal the Gonchar contracts of the last few years. I'd rather sign Niskanen for $5m for 5 years than Boyle for $5m for 2.

 

[Cassano]

Completely agree. But Mint has also had it out for Klein since we got him, mostly based on his advanced stats, despite his coming from a team/system where almost everyone's advanced stats were awful, especially Shea Weber's.

My feeling is that, with a proper training camp, Klein would look just as good next to Staal as Stralman has. I'd like to find a way to keep Stralman, because I love our D group, but I'd be comfortable with Klein moving up.

I'm also not sure why we'd go after D.Boyle and not Niskanen.

I assume Boyle being 37, having ties with MSL and Richards would take a big time discount on a short term deal to sign with the Rangers. It was reiterated on HNIC that Boyle and MSL are very close and have kept in touch all these years.

I feel he'd be a better fit for the roster than Klein.

It is true, I am not a fan of Klein at all. I still think the Rangers should move him. Also Klein's stats relative to his teammates in the Nashville system was bad. Similar to his stats with the Rangers. -31- posted an article about the Klein acquisition.

I think you're assumption that the difference between Klein and Stralman being negligible is quite off base. Staal's possession numbers are not very good this year away from Stralman. In fact, I see a Staal-Klein pairing struggle to adapt any sort of coherent transition game. Signing Stralman should be #1 priority, but I'm not the one calling the shots.

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

I assume Boyle being 37, having ties with MSL and Richards would take a big time discount on a short term deal to sign with the Rangers. It was reiterated on HNIC that Boyle and MSL are very close and have kept in touch all these years.

I feel he'd be a better fit for the roster than Klein.

It is true, I am not a fan of Klein at all. I still think the Rangers should move him. Also Klein's stats relative to his teammates in the Nashville system was bad. Similar to his stats with the Rangers. -31- posted an article about the Klein acquisition.

I think you're assumption that the difference between Klein and Stralman being negligible is quite off base. Staal's possession numbers are not very good this year away from Stralman. In fact, I see a Staal-Klein pairing struggle to adapt any sort of coherent transition game. Signing Stralman should be #1 priority, but I'm not the one calling the shots.

C'mon. Stats don't tell the whole story and you know that. He's not an offensive threat, but he brings an intelligent defensive defenseman that we've been lacking since Sauer got injured. Give me a solid defensive defenseman on a good contract like Klein over a solid offensive defenseman, who's old like Dan Boyle. Stralman is going to want to get paid and even if/when we buy out Richards, we can't afford to dole out money to Stralman when we have guys like Kreider, Zuccarello, Dominic Moore, Brassard, Pouliot and John Moore that need to be re-signed; some to long-term deals. I think Boyle is also going to out price himself in FA. Klein can be a top-4 defenseman and either McIlrath or Conor Allen (or some offseason acquisition. I wouldn't mind re-signing Raphael Diaz) can be the #3 defenseman.

But if you do want to bring up stats, Klein is what? First in +/- in the playoffs?

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Re-signing Stralman should absolutely be a top priority. Boyle, Moore, and Pouliot are very good depth forwards, and should all be re-signed, but Stralman is a legitimate top-4 defenseman. Top-4 defenseman are more valuable than a depth forward every time.

That said, if the choice was between two of those three and Stralman, it'd be tougher. Although, I think Sather could find a fit. I'd rather re-sign Stralman and trade Klein than not re-sign Stralman and keep Klein. I think Klein is a very solid defenseman, but Stralman is a markedly better player, IMO.

 

[Rangerfan4life90]

If McI ends up being ready next season, something would have to give anyway.

I'd keep Stralman, and trade Klein.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

If McI ends up being ready next season, something would have to give anyway.

I'd keep Stralman, and trade Klein.

Even if McIlrath isn't "ready", Connor Allen is right on the brink of becoming a very solid NHL player. He could easily fill in that spot, IMO.

 

[Blue Blooded]

Strålman is a huge part of Staal's re-emergence this season. Staal was fantastic when paired with Girardi/Rozsíval, but struggled mightily when he had to play with MDZ/Bickel/Eminger/whoever. Staal is a great defensive defenceman who has some decent offensive tools, but his transition game isn't very good. Paired with Strålman who is all about a poised, calm, breakout they are performing great.

Strålman OTOH benefits from Staal as he himself struggles mightily with big, fast, skilled forwards who can just blow by him (Malkin, Kopitar, etc.) but Staal is one of the best in the league at defending against that type of forward.

I have to say I've been very surprised of the lack of offensive production from the pairing though. They have dominated possession so there have been plenty of scoring chances with them on the ice. Strålman apart from his weak shot is probably our most skilled defenceman and Staal has a booming shot.

All-in-all, this pairing needs to be kept together and apart from Zuccarello/Kreider Strålman is the most important re-sign this summer. Staal should be extended as well, and this is where their lack of offensive production helps us: I think we could get as much as a $1M discount on both contracts due to their disappointing offensive numbers as I think they are both 20-30pt d-men in a normal year.

 

[Cassano]

Strålman is a huge part of Staal's re-emergence this season. Staal was fantastic when paired with Girardi/Rozsíval, but struggled mightily when he had to play with MDZ/Bickel/Eminger/whoever. Staal is a great defensive defenceman who has some decent offensive tools, but his transition game isn't very good. Paired with Strålman who is all about a poised, calm, breakout they are performing great.

Strålman OTOH benefits from Staal as he himself struggles mightily with big, fast, skilled forwards who can just blow by him (Malkin, Kopitar, etc.) but Staal is one of the best in the league at defending against that type of forward.

I have to say I've been very surprised of the lack of offensive production from the pairing though. They have dominated possession so there have been plenty of scoring chances with them on the ice. Strålman apart from his weak shot is probably our most skilled defenceman and Staal has a booming shot.

All-in-all, this pairing needs to be kept together and apart from Zuccarello/Kreider Strålman is the most important re-sign this summer. Staal should be extended as well, and this is where their lack of offensive production helps us: I think we could get as much as a $1M discount on both contracts due to their disappointing offensive numbers as I think they are both 20-30pt d-men in a normal year.

IMO the lack of point production is bad luck. I do expect higher point totals next year (if they are hopefully kept together)

 

[HankTheTankYoLo]

IMO the lack of point production is bad luck. I do expect higher point totals next year (if they are hopefully kept together)

Please...


Don't defend him like its your last thing before you die becuase he is a swede. Im a swede to.

If Stralman are asking to much, let him go and i dont want to trade Klein, long time we had suc a beast n our own side of the field

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

I would really like to keep Stralman as well. There is no doubt he is a legit top-4 RHD which is super valuable, has a great first pass, and has been a great partner for Staal which has eased Marc's return to his usual self.

I do think he may have priced himself off the Rangers with the run they're on. Good for the Rangers and good for him, I wouldn't have it any other way. But he could easily be a $4-4.5Mx5 player on the open market. With Allen (and maaaybe McIlrath) ready to step in it may be best to reallocate that money.

Especially considering that with this run I have no doubt Brassard, Pouliot, Boyle, and Moore are seeing $ signs flashing in front of their eyes. Not to mention Zucc and Kreider who 100% will be kept. I think keeping the forward group together at this point has to take priority. This group has been successful because of their depth. Destroying that depth could be a step back.

If Stralman takes $3-3.5M of course no brainer. But I think he could (and should) get paid bigtime this summer. I think Boyle is gonna be in a similar spot as well. Don't blame either player.

 

[Doctyl]

Allen can play right or left, no? That's an incredible asset to have and I feel like he's ready. Not confident at all in McI. I have high hopes for Skjei though.

 

[silverfish]

RJ Umberger wants a trade.

If we can get CBJ to retain salary, that would be a good Center pickup for us, IMO.

From the trade board:

http://bluejacketsxtra.dispatch.com...8/jackets-umberger-agree-trade-is-needed.html



Story also says it's unlikely he'll be bought out and acknowledges it won't be easy to move him given his contract.

Is there a market for RJ?

 

[Raspewtin]

RJ Umberger wants a trade.

If we can get CBJ to retain salary, that would be a good Center pickup for us, IMO.

From the trade board:

Don't want Umberger. He'd be a better fit for the Bruins. Really lost a step in his skating, he was scratched in the playoffs for not fitting well with CBJ's speed and snarl approach.