Speculation: Trade / Roster Speculation Thread XXXIV: Over the edge of being a little closer.

[Raspewtin]

I still think it's likely that the Rangers will try and add Franson on the cheap.

I wouldn't be completely disgusted if it's a cheap add.

 

[Ola]

The PP is already extremely flawed with Brad Richards

I don't follow.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

I don't follow.

I dont follow how you can be concerned with replacing Brad Richards' power play prowess when he just helped preside over an 0-37 stretch.

 

[LORENZO]

Richards is great at them face offs though.

 

[NoQuitInNewMexico]

Boyle wanted years out of San Jose and he's built up enough cachet around the league that I'm sure someone will give them to him. I'd like him on a one year deal, but anything more than that and you're potentially mucking up your cap structure to fit in a huge question mark.

 

[pld459666]

Except he just lead a team in ice time that finished with 111 PTS, and in defense scoring.

who then preceeded to get dick-stomped in the PO's after surging to a 3-0 lead.

Boyle's skating has slowed and considering the offensive firepower that the Sharks have up front, Boyle had just 18 ES points.

 

[GAGLine]

Yeah, I don't necessarily disagree.

But dumping BR de facto results in us being forced to replace him.

How is our ability, flexibility AND future impacted by us attempting to replace BR (you seldomly get it rightte first time)?

Replace him with Miller. Replace him with Lindberg. I don't expect either to have the same production, but that isn't the point. We don't have the money to keep everyone. Someone has to go, or several someones, depending on their cap hits. Richards is the most logical choice.

We can always add a rental at the deadline if we are close and feel like the kids aren't getting it done. Richards doesn't need to be replaced this summer with another high-priced center.

 

[BBKers]

Replace him with Miller. Replace him with Lindberg. I don't expect either to have the same production, but that isn't the point. We don't have the money to keep everyone. Someone has to go, or several someones, depending on their cap hits. Richards is the most logical choice.

We can always add a rental at the deadline if we are close and feel like the kids aren't getting it done. Richards doesn't need to be replaced this summer with another high-priced center.

It ha$ to be expen$ive
It ju$t mu$t

 

[Ola]

I dont follow how you can be concerned with replacing Brad Richards' power play prowess when he just helped preside over an 0-37 stretch.

You wouldn't be concerned about our PP if we lost BR?

I am not that worried about our PP during the regular season next year if we keep BR. I can almost guarantee that it would be decent like this year. But if we drop him and don't replace him, there is a lot more reason for concern. We have nobody that EVER has been a decent point player in the NHL or AHL in the system, besides BR.

I must misunderstand you because what you write make zero sense. A 0/37 PP is pretty bad as it is lol.

 

[Ola]

Replace him with Miller. Replace him with Lindberg. I don't expect either to have the same production, but that isn't the point. We don't have the money to keep everyone. Someone has to go, or several someones, depending on their cap hits. Richards is the most logical choice.

We can always add a rental at the deadline if we are close and feel like the kids aren't getting it done. Richards doesn't need to be replaced this summer with another high-priced center.

I would definitely trust Miller 5 on 5. I would trust Miller today 5 on 5.

But who do we play on the point on the PP? We have nobody in the system that ever has had that role besides him. If we cut him loose without replacing him, it's like Philly cutting Mason and deciding to go with Emery. Ehh our goalies have won nothing for us anyway.

But you should think twice about entering a Nhl season without a single player in the system that ever had any kind of experience as a decent PPQB. There are of course options to BR, but either we keep him or get someone else to play some PP time. That's my point.

 

[Vinny DeAngelo]

Why can't Mcdonagh play the point? Put him out there with Girardi(for the slappah) or John Moore

 

[darko]

Dan Boyle is on his last legs. 1 year deal on the cheap? Yes fine. Anything else is a mistake.

Regardless what happens with the Rangers from here on end Richards is done. Rangers last game this season will be his last as a Ranger.

Subban wants 10 mill per. Yikes!

 

[Ola]

Subban wants 10 mill per. Yikes!

Agents will fight hard for this for sure.

10m next year is "only" 14 percent of the cap. That is like signing a player to a 5.5m contract in 05'. A lot of players have been paid 14 percent, but there was a hickup here in the AAV race when teams could circumvent the cap. Now the agent must tear down the psychological wall against AAVs at that level.

I don't have time to check now, but I believe that we paid Drury and Gomez around 14 percent of the cap at least.

 

[Ola]

Why can't Mcdonagh play the point? Put him out there with Girardi(for the slappah) or John Moore

The thing is, our PP isn't good right now. It's actually a pretty big problem. It was decent during the regular season after being horrible the season before that.

Richards is de facto our by far most valuable PP player. Neither McD/Moore has ever played in his role (I think everyone here would agree that they are the weakest links on our PP as it is).

It wouldn't be good to take a big bite out of a PP that is that fragile as is.

 

[BBKers]

The thing is, our PP isn't good right now. It's actually a pretty big problem. It was decent during the regular season after being horrible the season before that.

Richards is de facto our by far most valuable PP player. Neither McD/Moore has ever played in his role (I think everyone here would agree that they are the weakest links on our PP as it is).

It wouldn't be good to take a big bite out of a PP that is that fragile as is.

Weaker than going 0 for 37 is hard to fathom. Maybe letting up more GA on the PP could be worse??? Or constantly taking negating penalties as well???

 

[bernmeister]

Thats news to me.

This is referencing my "McIlrath is 3rd string stay at home D".

What part of that is wrong?
He's not going to crack the lineup above 3rd pair.
He's a large price paid for toughness, which is not as much in the skating game as clearing the crease, which I associate more with the stay at home D than the QB skating D. No one is hoping for Letang here. We are hoping for Bukeboom, and if he shows good skating, a righty Marc Staal with some nasty snarl.

I read the news today, oh boy...

 

[Ola]

Weaker than going 0 for 37 is hard to fathom. Maybe letting up more GA on the PP could be worse??? Or constantly taking negating penalties as well???

Agreed for sure, we can't have a PP that is that bad during the entire regular season next year. It's just not good for several reason.

With BR, I think it's safe to assume that we could ice a PP that at least isn't horrible during the regular season next year. But if we dump him and don't replace him on the PP, it could become a real issue.

 

[Mikos87]

who then preceeded to get dick-stomped in the PO's after surging to a 3-0 lead.

Boyle's skating has slowed and considering the offensive firepower that the Sharks have up front, Boyle had just 18 ES points.

Haha yeah I was harping about Boyle's availability after the annual SJ choke job since December. Team wide loss. The other 18 pts came on the PP.

He'd be a stop gap, I'd prefer to have Stralman back, but I think its safe to say that unless Stralman takes a discount, that he will crack term and dollars as a UFA.

 

[bernmeister]

....

whats mcilrath have to do with the boyle conversation ?

McIl as a rookie making rook mistakes is better than taking on a 35+ contract for someone who may be a shell of himself.

whether big mac is ready to play nhl hockey or not isnt the question. hes got competition for a spot on that 3rd pair. nothings gonna be "allowed".

Allowing a roster spot for someone to have a chance is different, IMO, than someone who doesn't deserve it being 'given' a spot [a la Taylor Pyatt].

moore. klein. allen. diaz. perhaps calle andersson. all in the mix.
.... moore, diaz, allen and andersson all bring some offense to the blue line.

Except for Calle Andersson (unless he's is developed tremendously), yes all these guys are realistically in the mix assuming no trades and Girardi not traded at 1 and Stralman returns at 2. I am satisfied with CA to date, but he is not yet knocking on the door; more like down the block, but coming more clearlyinto view.

we need to change the dynamic of our defense. we lack a true shooter, pmd, pp point man and its no coincidence that our pp blows because of it.

Agreed, but there are other considerations involved [see below], and while a ringer for PP can be brought in and in which case he'd get 3rd string mins, "changing the dynamic" the rest of the time would require upgrade to 1st/2nd pair.

...is he better than moore or klein ? even connor allen ?....
mcilrath doesnt bring what we need.

Unlike JT Miller and Kreider, I'm not going all in on McIlrath just yet. He has a lot to go before being hailed as the next Scott Stevens.

However, that does not mean that if we undertake alternatives, we cannot give this guy a full shot at third pair.

Now the dominant other consideration is we invested not just a 1st, but a 10th overall on this guy. We can't keep this jerk around treatment we gave Kreider + Miller. I am more confident than most IN GENERAL our prospects will more succeed than fail, and specifically I'm bullish on Dylan up to a point in delivering basic, stay at home D.

The clock is ticking on this guy. NOW is the time to determine what we have. Are we better keeping, or trading him? Or should we trade another guy?

Taking into account salary etc., it is being confirmed that Brassard is an acceptable alternative to Stepan, and I would prefer instead of a mere improvement, going large and moving Stepan AND Girardi for a real difference maker.

Depending on who comes back, that would allow for another slot at RD.
So we should consider all our options.
Deciding on McIlrath, and not giving him more than deserved, but giving a full and legit chance is in order.

 

[bernmeister]

Dan Boyle is on his last legs. 1 year deal on the cheap? Yes fine. Anything else is a mistake.

Regardless what happens with the Rangers from here on end Richards is done. Rangers last game this season will be his last as a Ranger.

Subban wants 10 mill per. Yikes!

8 per is pushing it.

 

[Tawnos]

who do we play on the point on the PP?

Zuccarello

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

This is referencing my "McIlrath is 3rd string stay at home D".

What part of that is wrong?
He's not going to crack the lineup above 3rd pair.
He's a large price paid for toughness, which is not as much in the skating game as clearing the crease, which I associate more with the stay at home D than the QB skating D. No one is hoping for Letang here. We are hoping for Bukeboom, and if he shows good skating, a righty Marc Staal with some nasty snarl.

I read the news today, oh boy...

LOL. Good luck with that. 3rd string.

In fact, good luck with all your schemes.

 

[bernmeister]

LOL. Good luck with that. 3rd string.

In fact, good luck with all your schemes.

Thanks for the good wishes.

You still did not speak to the facts.
McIl will start on 3rd pair, not 1st or 2nd.

I did say to contribute a la Staal, he would need to demonstrate enough skating ability (this is uncertain; toughness is not, and the jury is out about mastering all the technique there is to be learned, but on that last point I consider him innocent until proven guilty, that gradually he will learn/improve. There is no reason to think such learning is beyond him.)

 

[bernmeister]

Zuccarello

Agreed, much better choice than Richards.

 

[Cassano]

Sign Boyle trade klein, re-sign Stralman.