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Fitzy said:
At this point, neither am I. Not sure how I feel about that but a 3 million dollar penalty a few years down the line isn't the world's toughest thing to swallow.
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1) It seems Richards is being viewed on some level as the de facto captain.

2) When has Sather ever made decisions with anything but the next season in mind?
 
nsvoyageurs said:
http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/h...ers-make-east-final-but-its-a-happy-headache/
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These 11 players make a combined $14.7 million. The thing is, virtually everyone on the list deserves a raise – some significantly more than others.

Brassard and Zuccarello will get in the $3.5 million range, Boyle, Dominic Moore, Pouliot and Stralman somewhere between $2 and $3 million apiece, Diaz, Carcillo and John Moore slightly over $1 million and Falk about $1 million.
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How big part of this years line up is kept til next opening game this fall? With everyone resign we won't have that much cap space, when Brad is bought out.
 
Amazing Kreiderman said:
Brassard is a better center than Stepan, in the play-offs. That is huge!
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So busy; so many posts to address; so little time... working for a livin,,, gotta get to the job, but wanted to squeeze in something first....... what was that?

Oh yeah.

WHY THE HELL DIDN'T SOMEBODY WITH SOME BALLS CALL THIS EARLIER, BEFORE THE FACT, NOT JUST NOW?

Not that I'm ungrateful, better late than never.

OH YEAH, SOMEBODY DID!!!!
SOMEBODY DID SAY WE SHOULD GAMBLE ON BRASSARD AND IF NICE ENOUGH OVERPAYMENT, SHOULD MOVE STEPAN!!!

Who was that unmasked man, kimosabeeeee?

Oh yeah IT WAS THE BERMEISTER, and a coupla others not yielding to herd mentality.

Now if I can just get my detractors to admit it would likewise be smart to put Miller on C w/Kreider at LW + prob MSL at RW, speed kills.
 
Off the bat per hockeynews article - I would let Carcillo, Diaz walk. They were depth moves for this years playoff run. Falk - not tender. Again depth. Can replace or hope one of your Hartford players step up into depth role next year.

Richards buy-out, irrespective of his performance this year. He's not playing to 2020. Its the right management move to buy him out.

Resign the rest. Hope your current mature prospects can step into a support role or find similar veterans to add to mix.
 
RGF said:
Off the bat per hockeynews article - I would let Carcillo, Diaz walk. They were depth moves for this years playoff run. Falk - not tender. Again depth. Can replace or hope one of your Hartford players step up into depth role next year.

Richards buy-out, irrespective of his performance this year. He's not playing to 2020. Its the right management move to buy him out.

Resign the rest. Hope your current mature prospects can step into a support role or find similar veterans to add to mix.
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I wouldn't let either of them walk.

I'd more rather trade Dorsett for a 5th round pick. Resign Carcillo. Resign Diaz so he can play 2nd line minutes with Staal.
 
bernmeister said:
So busy; so many posts to address; so little time... working for a livin,,, gotta get to the job, but wanted to squeeze in something first....... what was that?

Oh yeah.

WHY THE HELL DIDN'T SOMEBODY WITH SOME BALLS CALL THIS EARLIER, BEFORE THE FACT, NOT JUST NOW?

Not that I'm ungrateful, better late than never.

OH YEAH, SOMEBODY DID!!!!
SOMEBODY DID SAY WE SHOULD GAMBLE ON BRASSARD AND IF NICE ENOUGH OVERPAYMENT, SHOULD MOVE STEPAN!!!

Who was that unmasked man, kimosabeeeee?

Oh yeah IT WAS THE BERMEISTER, and a coupla others not yielding to herd mentality.

Now if I can just get my detractors to admit it would likewise be smart to put Miller on C w/Kreider at LW + prob MSL at RW, speed kills.
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I think Miller can be as effective as Kreider has been for us this year. Both should be very important players moving forward for this club.
 
im fine with letting both dorsett and carcillo go and leaving that spot open for a kid like Fasth. kid could be a real effective 4th liner leaning the pro game.
 
Rust Heisenberg said:
I think Miller can be as effective as Kreider has been for us this year. Both should be very important players moving forward for this club.
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Thank you Rust.
That's more generous and optimistic than I would be in speculating.
Definitely, Miller will be an important add, for us, and like, with Kreider, once all these communication and perceived issues are resolved w/AV, and we are on the same page, the sky may not quite be the limit, but it certainly looks good.

But I would not say, as I did not, that Miller's upside and impact will be as huge as Kreider's. JTM has enough tools to impress, for sure, but CK is something else.
 
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RangerBoy said:
Why can't the Rangers live with the mistakes Miller will make? Kreider is far from a finished product but the team has learned to live with some of the mistakes. His play without the puck has gotten better. That's the knock on Miller. Defensive awareness. Play him at his natural position. The coaches don't trust him defensively. Late in the game Kreider was replaced by Boyle because they don't trust Kreider defensively late in a game yet. Kreider provides elements the Rangers lack.
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RB, once again you've said it all....:handclap::handclap::handclap::nod:
 
DelZottoHitTheNetJK said:
Because we didnt' draft him.


Mention trading Stepan and the whole board collapses. On that note ;)

I sign Stastny, buyout Richards, and trade Stepan in a package for Evander Kane


Also: DO NOT WANT VANEK

He's Derek Stepan with better hands. This team needs more athleticism. Vanek is a good goal scorer around the net but he's a disaster waiting to happen. He's already slow and he's already 30
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If/when the more vocal part of the board that is driving the herd can get down with the idea of moving Stepan --- AND AGAIN, ONLY FOR AN UPGRADE --- then that would be using a serious part to get a serious improvement (presumably, by definition).

I reiterate what I have said previously.
We only have 1 Stepan to deal.

a) make sure it's worth dealing him, then commit to it
b) get the best guy including if it is an add to a package.

Is EKane best? JVR?
A couple of others?
It is too much to hope for that Pitt is gonna go nuts and let us do something like Stepan + McDonagh + for Malkin.

But let's be sure we take the best offer of the best guy for the best price, and not flinch to pay a little more to make the best deal.
 
bernmeister said:
It is too much to hope for that Pitt is gonna go nuts and let us do something like Stepan + McDonagh + for Malkin.
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How would this be a positive? Trading Stepan is unpopular (and we really don't have a good reason to do it the way the team is playing), trading McDonagh would be complete madness as there really aren't many (if any) players in the league who would be worth it. Trading both...

This team doesn't suffer from lack of stars really, it has already proven that stars aren't necessary as long as they pull together as a team.

I'd much rather they keep 4 strong lines then trade for 1 or 2 stars to "push them over the top". Hockey is a team sport and with team building the fit of a new person in an existing group (personality fit) is as important as skill. Whoever comes in has to be someone who is a good team player first and foremost and not someone who, all of a sudden, is supposed to be the center of attention. I think at least AV understands this, don't know about Sather.
 
edanielsen said:
How would this be a positive? Trading Stepan is unpopular (and we really don't have a good reason to do it the way the team is playing), trading McDonagh would be complete madness as there really aren't many (if any) players in the league who would be worth it. Trading both...

This team doesn't suffer from lack of stars really, it has already proven that stars aren't necessary as long as they pull together as a team.

I'd much rather they keep 4 strong lines then trade for 1 or 2 stars to "push them over the top". Hockey is a team sport and with team building the fit of a new person in an existing group (personality fit) is as important as skill. Whoever comes in has to be someone who is a good team player first and foremost and not someone who, all of a sudden, is supposed to be the center of attention. I think at least AV understands this, don't know about Sather.
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It would not be a slam dunk swindle, sure. You'd be paying top dollar.
But you'd be getting arguably the best player in the world for a good + C and a special D, +.

As to:
"I'd much rather they keep 4 strong lines then trade for 1 or 2 stars"

you can't be all too many difference makers and not enough depth anywhere else at all (like Pitt), but you can't be like us, too few difference makers among a good + cast. (difference makers best viewed by premium to elite).

These are the ordinary facts of life in the NHL.
There is an extra-ordinary something special happening with NYR right now.

No time to detail it now, but enuf to say the obvious comparison is to NY Mets winning in '69.
 
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FORWARDS
Chris Kreider ($1.500m) / Derek Stepan ($3.075m) / Martin St. Louis ($5.625m)
Benoit Pouliot ($2.300m) / Derick Brassard ($3.850m) / Mats Zuccarello ($4.250m)
Carl Hagelin ($2.250m) / Brad Richards ($6.667m) /
Dominic Moore ($1.800m) / Brian Boyle ($2.100m) / Derek Dorsett ($1.633m)
DEFENSEMEN
Dan Girardi ($5.500m) / Ryan McDonagh ($4.700m)
Marc Staal ($3.975m) / Anton Stralman ($3.950m)
John Moore ($1.350m) / Kevin Klein ($2.900m)
GOALTENDERS
Henrik Lundqvist ($8.500m)
Cameron Talbot ($0.563m)
BUYOUTS
Rick Nash ($0.000m)
Wade Redden ($0.000m)
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Ballparking salaries. Works if we buy out one of Nash or Richards. And there's still a bit of space to upgrade if need be.
 
SingnBluesOnBroadway said:
1) It seems Richards is being viewed on some level as the de facto captain.

2) When has Sather ever made decisions with anything but the next season in mind?
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If theres one thing Sather has done, it has fix his mistakes. Sather looked beyond the next season when he traded Gomez, the same when buying out Redden.

The signing of Richards at the time wasn't horrible, but with the new CBA it would be very unwise to keep him after this season. No brainer to buy him out, even if we win the cup and he wins the Conn Smythe.

I do agree with you, though. Not on the Sather dig but with the combation of bringing in MSL and the leadership role he has appeared to take on the team, I am much less confident that the buyout will happen.

Before the MSL trade, I would've said it was slam dunk.
 
There's no way I'd buy out Nash, that is bad asset management. Trade him worst case scenario. On Richards: 3 years as a Rangers, 2 trip to conference finals, 1 trip to 2nd round where he wasn't allowed to contribute. No the point production doesn't match the cap hit, but if the team wins??

This is with the Rangers keeping Richards and Nash. I think that Dan Boyle will sign a 1 Year incentive deal to replace Stralman, who in my opinion will hit pay dirt. Boyle can sign a 35+ deal with a low cap hit that gets carried over to the following year, similar to Iginla this year. 2.5M next year, with 2.5M incentives that can be carried over.

FORWARDS
Chris Kreider ($2.250m) / Derek Stepan ($3.075m) / Martin St. Louis ($5.625m)
Carl Hagelin ($2.250m) / Brad Richards ($6.667m) / Rick Nash ($7.800m)
Benoit Pouliot ($1.800m) / Derick Brassard ($3.500m) / Mats Zuccarello ($3.500m)
J.T. Miller ($0.894m) / Dominic Moore ($1.500m) / Jesper Fast ($0.805m)
DEFENSEMEN
Dan Girardi ($5.500m) / Ryan McDonagh ($4.700m)
Marc Staal ($3.975m) / Dan Boyle ($2.500m)
John Moore ($1.100m) / Kevin Klein ($2.900m)
GOALTENDERS
Henrik Lundqvist ($8.500m)
Cameron Talbot ($0.563m)

If the Rangers don't use their compliance buyout on Ricahrds, they can take on a contract for another team and collect assets for buying out another player. The Sharks got a 1st rounder for taking Vladamir Malakov's contract back in 2007. Rangers can use their CBO on a move like that.
 
Sharks aren't resigning Dan Boyle. You think Sather will go after the old man and reunite the Tampa band? He's old enough he could be had at a reasonable price. I'd consider him if he's uninjured and as a short term replacement for Stralman.
 
n8 said:
Sharks aren't resigning Dan Boyle. You think Sather will go after the old man and reunite the Tampa band? He's old enough he could be had at a reasonable price. I'd consider him if he's uninjured and as a short term replacement for Stralman.
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Came in here to see if anyone had posted this yet.

Saw SJ isn't bringing him back and we all know how much Sather loves him. If he signs cheap, he wouldn't be a bad stop gap for until McIlrath is ready.


For the armchair GMs, is there anyway to keep Richards and Nash and re-sign most of the current roster?

Would probably have to let Stralman, Carcillo, Diaz and Falk walk. Even then, is it enough?
 
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