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I often wonder if, deep down, the Canucks brain-trust of Rutherford and Allvin, might privately have seen this kind of year coming?

I remember at the start of last season, Rutherford was quoted as saying that 'just about everything would have to go right for the Canucks to make the playoffs'. Obviously even he was probably surprised that the team soared to the top of the Pacific, and managed to stay there.

But this year over a long 82-game schedule, NHL teams end up basically where they should end up. And the Canucks are probably a lot closer to this year's team, than that magical season of a year-ago.

So just 'making the playoffs' shouldn't be the priority any more. The re-tool has to continue. More size, speed and scoring up front. A hopefully rapid development of players like D-Petey and Wilander on the back end.

Sad but true--that this current roster just isn't good enough.
 
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To Carolina: EPettersson1, Kunz

To Colorado: Rantanen, VAN 2028 6th

To Vancouver: Necas, CAR 2026 2nd, COL 2026 2nd
lol at the idea of Avs trying to get Rantanen back

I often wonder if, deep down, the Canucks brain-trust of Rutherford and Allvin, might privately have seen this kind of year coming?

I remember at the start of last season, Rutherford was quoted as saying that 'just about everything would have to go right for the Canucks to make the playoffs'. Obviously even he was probably surprised that the team soared to the top of the Pacific, and managed to stay there.

But this year over a long 82-game schedule, NHL teams end up basically where they should end up. And the Canucks are probably a lot closer to this year's team, than that magical season of a year-ago.

So just 'making the playoffs' shouldn't be the priority any more. The re-tool has to continue. More size, speed and scoring up front. A hopefully rapid development of players like D-Petey and Wilander on the back end.

Sad but true--that this current roster just isn't good enough.
They were way more bullish at the start of this season
 
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To Carolina: EPettersson1, Kunz

To Colorado: Rantanen, VAN 2028 6th

To Vancouver: Necas, CAR 2026 2nd, COL 2026 2nd
Ewwwwww EP1 is the best player in that trade, we end up with the worst player in the trade and a pair of essentially 3rd round picks

I like Necas a lot too, but we need a blue chip prospect AND a Necas level player

The Eichel trade or bust
 


Thoughts? I think it’s the best path forward.

I heard the actual quote and that’s a bit out of context. What Cam said is if he was a betting man the best odds might just be that they all are gone in two years.

For what it’s worth I’m not sure those would be strong odds but sure is it 51/49 that happens? Sure but that doesn’t matter right now because making the right decisions between now and summer 2026 pushes those odds in a different direction.


Many many things went right for us last year and many many things haven’t gone right for us this year. Despite that we are arguably one or two good moves away from looking more like the team from last year.

There’s a small but meaningful wave of prospects getting close to being ready. Demko will be in a contract year next year and if Petey is still here maybe just maybe he’ll bounce back to at least a PPG level. There’s reason to believe this team next year can look more like the team from last year and if that’s the case it definitely helps our chances of keeping Hughes.
 
If we didn't rebuild in the Benning era we aren't rebuilding now. It's all in, every year, forever in Canucks land.

Could have easily reloaded in 2022/23 and been lightyears ahead of our current situation without sacrificing anything we aren't actively trying to sacrifice right now but this franchise simply does not work that way. If Hughes leaves, Demko is ruined, and EP turns into Lindholm we'll just sign a bunch of bloated UFA contracts and play pretend serious franchise like Cgy/Min did the last 20 years.

Also EP in his rookie year got asked by Bieksa if he'd met the Sedins and he said no, Bieksa asked why and EP said they hadn't invited him over. The tone was a guy a bit star struck by them and definitely wasn't going to invite himself over. It's a big nothingburger that the 26 year old doesn't hang out with the 40 somethings with kids in the middle of the season.
 
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I don't see the point in speculating what Quinn Hughes wants to do in two years time. The pressure point summer 2026.

From an asset management standpoint I disagree; I think the Canucks need to extend Hughes ASAP.

By summer of 2026 he only has 1 year left, if he doesn't resign then it will hurt his trade return versus 2 years term.

Quinn Hughes is also a very unique & odd situation in that he has 2 brothers already on the same NHL team, and all the talk of it being no secret they'd all love to play together. I dont think you can ignore that that fact can also hurt his trade return if you wait until summer of 2026, because the other 31 NHL teams are far less likely to open up the armored truck & lavish Vancouver with prized assets if they think he's just going to sign with New Jersey UFA no matter what.
 
From an asset management standpoint I disagree; I think the Canucks need to extend Hughes ASAP.

By summer of 2026 he only has 1 year left, if he doesn't resign then it will hurt his trade return versus 2 years term.

Quinn Hughes is also a very unique & odd situation in that he has 2 brothers already on the same NHL team, and all the talk of it being no secret they'd all love to play together. I dont think you can ignore that that fact can also hurt his trade return if you wait until summer of 2026, because the other 31 NHL teams are far less likely to open up the armored truck & lavish Vancouver with prized assets if they think he's just going to sign with New Jersey UFA no matter what.

hughes can't extend until july 1, 2026
 
Lol get outta here NJ shill

Not "shilling", just think I'm rationally war-gaming the situation from a risk-reward asset management standpoint.

Or perhaps it is because I'm from "NJ" and I'm still scarred 20 years later from a very similar situation when Lou Lamoriello (who rarely made asset management mistakes in his prime) completely ignored the not-so-secret talk that brothers wanted to play together, and instead of making a trade for an absolute boatload of assets the Devils lost a Hall-of-Famer defenseman for absolutely nothing because he did in fact leave to sign on & play with his brother as a UFA even though the Devils offered the then maximum allowed $$$ contract for >$1 Million per year more than the Ducks did (which would be > $2 Million per season more in today's money). They were a tight family and the one & only shot to play together was worth more to them than the money.

Not that I'm still bitter about Lamoriello's mistake or anything.
 
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From an asset management standpoint I disagree; I think the Canucks need to extend Hughes ASAP.

By summer of 2026 he only has 1 year left, if he doesn't resign then it will hurt his trade return versus 2 years term.

Quinn Hughes is also a very unique & odd situation in that he has 2 brothers already on the same NHL team, and all the talk of it being no secret they'd all love to play together. I dont think you can ignore that that fact can also hurt his trade return if you wait until summer of 2026, because the other 31 NHL teams are far less likely to open up the armored truck & lavish Vancouver with prized assets if they think he's just going to sign with New Jersey UFA no matter what.

He can't sign an extension until the the summer of 2026.
 
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Crazy idea… who says no?

To Canes
EP40
Suter (probably re-sign, great middle six utility guy… or just a rental)

To Panthers
Rantanen

To Canucks
1st Carolina
1st Panthers
KK
Bennett (comes with extension)

Would give us 3 1st rounders to try and get top six forwards in the offseason. Maybe more picks from selling Boeser, Soucy, Forbort and maybe others.
 
Crazy idea… who says no?

To Canes
EP40
Suter (probably re-sign, great middle six utility guy… or just a rental)

To Panthers
Rantanen

To Canucks
1st Carolina
1st Panthers
KK
Bennett (comes with extension)

Would give us 3 1st rounders to try and get top six forwards in the offseason. Maybe more picks from selling Boeser, Soucy, Forbort and maybe others.
Err…that’s essentially 2 2nd rounders, a 3rd line Center, and a 28 year old (turns 29 this summer…) 2nd liner. No thank you. I’d rather just keep EP40 and see how it goes over the summer with his training.
 
From an asset management standpoint I disagree; I think the Canucks need to extend Hughes ASAP.

By summer of 2026 he only has 1 year left, if he doesn't resign then it will hurt his trade return versus 2 years term.

Quinn Hughes is also a very unique & odd situation in that he has 2 brothers already on the same NHL team, and all the talk of it being no secret they'd all love to play together. I dont think you can ignore that that fact can also hurt his trade return if you wait until summer of 2026, because the other 31 NHL teams are far less likely to open up the armored truck & lavish Vancouver with prized assets if they think he's just going to sign with New Jersey UFA no matter what.

hughes can't extend until july 1, 2026

He can't sign an extension until the the summer of 2026.

he can't sign until 2026 offseason. also go away.
He can’t sign until summer 2026.
 
Imagine this team traded him when he was lighting the world up, before he signed? Oh, the haul we would have had. That haul and a Lindholm at this current contract would have been so much better that the situation we find ourselves in…. Yes I know the Lindholm contract is off the to shit start and is defiantly to much for to long…. The haul we would have got, and we would have had that haul plus Miller and Lindholm as out centres and you could have kept Zads and not signed one of the cheap Dmen this off season and been cost neutral.
 
why is Brock not worth a tonne? I have been reading and hearing some crazy crap that he seems like he has only a first rounder type return. Dude got 40 last year, headed for around 30 this year, has scored at the same pace his whole career, and is reasonably good defensively. He’s going to get a lot at the trade deadline. I don’t think Petey is going to be good enough this year to warrant us either spending assets or not acquiring them for a playoff push. We don’t have anyone playing the role of first line centre and will not accomplish anything in the playoffs.
 
Who knows, maybe Bedard/Celebrini really wanna play for the nucks one day
Ya maybe, but they are RFAs for another 6 to 8 years. Locked into their current teams.
Err…that’s essentially 2 2nd rounders, a 3rd line Center, and a 28 year old (turns 29 this summer…) 2nd liner. No thank you. I’d rather just keep EP40 and see how it goes over the summer with his training.
While anything returned is an added value the cap savings could be the biggest return. Not for Allvin who would have a 7 year distraction or place to point blame for doing a really bad job. But then he might not last that long to worry about his mistakes here.
This is a "community" team, where who is on it is more important that the success of the team.

Summer training, what a load of crud that is, that was last year AND he has had 7 months of playing himself into game shape. A lack of training isn't a cause for not shooting or missing shots or slower shots or bad passing or .... Players used to come to camp to get into shape. The Summit Series it took the NHL players about two weeks to catch up to the Russians in conditioning and it didn't make them all forget how to score goals.

If all there is for hope with this team is keeping the same players doing the same thing and two mid level prospects in the system then why bother spending thousands of dollars to see the same stuff over again. Hughes on TV is better than Hughes in person at $500 because that is all they will have to show. Now Bure was worth the money to see because he was a scoring threat not because he did double axles or could just skate. Hughes has fan interest but not at thousands of dollars to watch losing.

Lost in a lot of suggestions is the concept that the game for the players has changed. Before they were driven by the paycheck some of them, some still are, the fringe, 3rd and 4th liners but others have generational wealth and might not mind letting a few million sit on the table to win a cup. The first we saw of this was way back when Selanne signed for a pittance to play with Colorado and his buddy Kariya. The NHLPA got quite upset but then it was really the NHL because players were starting to decide where they would play instead of the teams.

Once a player like say Pettersson has signed a guaranteed contract and has already earned 40 million with another 90 million guaranteed what could be his motivation? Personal pride? What if he realizes that his personal goals are not even secondary to what the team is doing? The team is now only concerned with putting bums in seats? What if the player's motivation extends to winning and winning in playoffs and winning a cup? Is that being juvenile because he refuses to accept "just playing and get paid" as an entertainer? When has Pettersson ever changed his comments about winning? Maybe poor play or lack of motivation stems from knowing he doesn't have a chance at his personal goals? What if that is his only way of behind the scenes wanting a trade without coming out and saying it in public?

The NBA for a long time was able to keep player movement control but then the players started making so much money they decided if they wanted to win championships and they got more freedom than the NHL, MLB or NFL they would form super teams just to scratch that itch.
The NHL isn't likely to get quite that far due to the CBA and RFA status but once players hit FA now they are wealthy enough to play where they want.
The MLB, NBA and NFL can cancel or buyout problem players or contracts, they have enough money to do that and it doesn't hurt the cap space very much. The NHL is only sport with guaranteed contracts in exchange for RFA, 8 years of contract and player control. Servitude, indenture.

IF Hughes wins or is a finalist again for another Norris trophy he is going to earn 150 million in his career, he knows that, winning or losing. So what is his motivation once he has control of his destiny? His family and kids? His love for a city he gets out of ASAP the season is over? His good nature? Or might it be winning a cup? Or playing with his family?

IMO Allvin pressured Pettersson into signing the contract and then Tocchet changed the system to a much more restrictive defensive type game. Pettersson is simply not happy. He is on the team, he plays against other winning teams and players, he has played on winners most of his life, he knows a good team compared to one struggling. Maybe he also knows his career is not going anywhere and he can't pull the rope all by himself and there isn't enough there to help him in the near future.
Fans and Allvin will say "next year" but for a player that is his career minus another year. IF winning is his motivation, his juvenile motivation. Grow up might be "lose the want to win and accept the paycheck". It takes a real effort to excel in a game where there are others also doing the same thing, motivation is required. EP has said and done almost everything except say in public he wants out of this team. That would make his goal of winning a cup difficult. He would want to get to his clause so he can control where he goes. That is why several media types are suggesting that once that kicks in the Canucks are in a real bind.
 

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