Speculation: Trade / Roster Speculation Thread XXXIV: Over the edge of being a little closer.

[Trxjw]

Why can't the Rangers live with the mistakes Miller will make? Kreider is far from a finished product but the team has learned to live with some of the mistakes. His play without the puck has gotten better. That's the knock on Miller. Defensive awareness. Play him at his natural position. The coaches don't trust him defensively. Late in the game Kreider was replaced by Boyle because they don't trust Kreider defensively late in a game yet. Kreider provides elements the Rangers lack.

The knock on Miller is that he's not only a liability defensively, but he doesn't contribute enough in any area for his contributions to outweigh his mistakes. It's easier for Kreider to mitigate defensive errors because he's playing the wing. Miller might be a natural center, but if he can't get it together defensively, or at least compensate offensively, he's never going to win the coaches trust to play that position.

Kreider, for all of his warts, is scoring and doing a lot of things right. In Miller's time this year, he's done very few things right.

 

[Ghost of jas]

Why can't the Rangers live with the mistakes Miller will make? Kreider is far from a finished product but the team has learned to live with some of the mistakes. His play without the puck has gotten better. That's the knock on Miller. Defensive awareness. Play him at his natural position. The coaches don't trust him defensively. Late in the game Kreider was replaced by Boyle because they don't trust Kreider defensively late in a game yet. Kreider provides elements the Rangers lack.

Spot on. Living with the growing pains of JT means added responsibility and pressure on Stepan and Brassard. So be it. Just make sure to bring back Boyle and Moore.

 

[Ian]

Not suggesting the Rangers should get in on the bidding, but I wonder what Spezza is going to go for.

With what Sens fans are asking for in the trade forum, I'm going to guarantee they'll be disappointed in the return for a 1 season UFA.

Seems like they want a young winger and D with upside.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

Not suggesting the Rangers should get in on the bidding, but I wonder what Spezza is going to go for.

Not sure what the Rangers have to give up.

 

[zuckera1]

Not suggesting the Rangers should get in on the bidding, but I wonder what Spezza is going to go for.

With what Sens fans are asking for in the trade forum, I'm going to guarantee they'll be disappointed in the return for a 1 season UFA.

Seems like they want a young winger and D with upside.

I'd love Spezza on this team. If we could get him without giving up JT Miller or a First, I'd do it. Something like Hagelin + Moore + 3rd or Brassard + Moore

 

[McRanger]

Richards led the Rangers forwards in ES TOI. 14:58 per game. Stepan's ES TOI was 14:11, Brassard was 13:14 and Boyle/Moore were around 10 minutes.

With Richards gone, give Stepan and Brassard 15 minutes. I'd like to see what Brassard can do with more time and responsibility.

The 4th line center can slide up to 3C in the 3rd period of tight games for the first quarter or half of the season. Miller will probably only see about 10 ES TOI for the beginning of the season. Miller will get some PP time and eventually some PK time. Miller has good size and good wheels. I think he can be effective on both special teams.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I'd love Spezza on this team. If we could get him without giving up JT Miller or a First, I'd do it. Something like Hagelin + Moore + 3rd or Brassard + Moore

Why are people so desperate to trade away Brassard, who's clearly one of our top play-off performers?

 

[Inferno]

Ola and RB's respective post on Miller and Brassard sum up why I'm comfortable with the center position going forward.

just for clarification, are you for or against buying out Richards?

If we buyout Richards then up the middle (assuming we bring back Boyle & Moore) youre looking at something like...

Stepan
Brassard
Moore
Boyle

until JT Miller is actually ready...

It looks a LOT better when Miller is ready, but we've run into problems with guys being put into positions to play and not being ready...IE Chris Kreider...it took a year after we basically handed him a spot for him to finally be a legitimate NHL player.

im very weary about heading into seasons without contingency plans.

I'd really like to grab Grabovski this offseason if at all possible.

 

[TheTakedown]

just for clarification, are you for or against buying out Richards?

If we buyout Richards then up the middle (assuming we bring back Boyle & Moore) youre looking at something like...

Stepan
Brassard
Moore
Boyle

until JT Miller is actually ready...

It looks a LOT better when Miller is ready, but we've run into problems with guys being put into positions to play and not being ready...IE Chris Kreider...it took a year after we basically handed him a spot for him to finally be a legitimate NHL player.

im very weary about heading into seasons without contingency plans.

I'd really like to grab Grabovski this offseason if at all possible.

I'm all for that. 1 year contract at a raise of what he is currently getting. no way the caps keep him while they clean house.

Keep him on a short term low $ contract and he is easily tradeable when Miller is ABLE (not HANDED) to take the open 3C spot

Sign Grabovski at 3.6AAV and thats a cap savings of $3M we gain. Put John Moore and Carl Hagelin on the trading block and we can pull in a decent LW upgrade with a higher cap hit (Moore and Hagelin combine foir about 3.5M, plus the $3M in space gained from + Grabovski - Richards)... That is a cap increase of $6M just from trading outliers, then factor in that the cap will go up $6M... $12M in cap space. More than enough to pull in another LW winger if we can't do it via trade.

Unlike Miller, I'd be comfortable putting Allen in the 6D spot. Worst case, resign Falk for NHL minimum

 

[HankTheTankYoLo]

Kreider - Stepan - MSL
Hagelin/New? - Grabovski - Nash
Pouliot - Brassard - MZA
Boyle - Moore - Miller/Dorsett
Carcillo (beast)

McD - Girardi
Staal - Stralman
Allen/Moore - Klein

Hank
Talbot

Will this fit cap wise with all resigns ?

Try to trade Hags + Moore + Fast etc for a nice top 6 LW

 

[TheTakedown]

Kreider - Stepan - MSL
Hagelin/New? - Grabovski - Nash
Pouliot - Brassard - MZA
Boyle - Moore - Miller/Dorsett
Carcillo (beast)

McD - Girardi
Staal - Stralman
Allen/Moore - Klein

Hank
Talbot

Will this fit cap wise with all resigns ?

Try to trade Hags + Moore + Fast etc for a nice top 6 LW

Pretty much what I was saying... Center depth improves just a bit, as Grabovski is younger, produces as much, carries half the cap hit, and can be an asset to the 2nd line (aka actually be a centerman, not just carry his play on PP situations).

With a Richards Buyout, Grabovski carrying half of Richards Cap hit, then dumping Hagelin and John Moore, then factor in that the cap will go up $6M that gives us a cap buffer of just under $12M...

More than enough to pull in another LW winger if we can't do it via trade (Meaning we trade for better offensive Defenseman

 

[zuckera1]

Why are people so desperate to trade away Brassard, who's clearly one of our top play-off performers?

Brassard is a nice piece, but let's not overvalue him. He was garbage in the Philly series and in last year's Bruins series. When the games get physical he usually disappears.

Spezza is a legit 1C and a gamebreaker, if we're truly in win now mode he gets us closer.

 

[haohmaru]

Why are people so desperate to trade away Brassard, who's clearly one of our top play-off performers?

Three words:

Shiny New Toy.

 

[ponzu4u]

Zuck, it's kind of funny to me you knock Brass for lacking physical play and then in the same post hype Spezza, who in my opinion is one of the softest first liners in the entire NHL. Granted he's more talented than Brass, but if you think Jason Spezza is going to come in and have anything but a negative affect on this team's physicality in a tough series with Boston or Philly, I fear you will be sadly mistaken.

 

[jacko23]

Spezza is a legit 1C and a gamebreaker, if we're truly in win now mode he gets us closer.

woah woah woah... we said the same thing about Drury/Gomez and more recently, Nash. lets not jump any guns here. like someone said above...shiny new toy.

 

[Gardner McKay]

Brassard is a nice piece, but let's not overvalue him. He was garbage in the Philly series and in last year's Bruins series. When the games get physical he usually disappears.

Spezza is a legit 1C and a gamebreaker, if we're truly in win now mode he gets us closer.

After what we traded for MSL, We really don't have the picks left or a deep enough prospect pool to make a trade for Spezza.

 

[NewLife]

After what we traded for MSL, We really don't have the picks left or a deep enough prospect pool to make a trade for Spezza.

Exactly, we can't do this againg, trade away depth and slit up a good working team who may or may not make it to the ECF tomorrow. We missed players after the Nash trade, Gabby got run out and later traded for missing depth. Doing quite alright for the Kings now btw. Is Nash in the same path?

Who on the current roster are we willing to give up on and which prospects, picks? Say we need 3 picies to get any of Spezza or Staal or another guy in the mold in terms of skills and age. Build around whats working and please dont rip it apart aging.

 

[Made Dan]

Kreider - Stepan - MSL
Hagelin/New? - Grabovski - Nash
Pouliot - Brassard - MZA
Boyle - Moore - Miller/Dorsett
Carcillo (beast)

McD - Girardi
Staal - Stralman
Allen/Moore - Klein

Hank
Talbot

Will this fit cap wise with all resigns ?

Try to trade Hags + Moore + Fast etc for a nice top 6 LW

Andrew Ladd, please.

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

Forget Stastny, if Savior is gonna throw money at somebody I'd rather Vanek.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Forget Stastny, if Savior is gonna throw money at somebody I'd rather Vanek.

This team needs center depth more than they need another winger. I mean, Vanek fits, I guess, but he's not a sniper. He's not gonna wow anyone.

I guarantee people would be running him out of town by next season.

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

This team needs center depth more than they need another winger. I mean, Vanek fits, I guess, but he's not a sniper. He's not gonna wow anyone.

I guarantee people would be running him out of town by next season.

I agree about center depth I just don't think Stastny is the owner. I'm talking hypothetically, if they're gonna go down that route I think Vanek would be more serviceable.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Brassard is a nice piece, but let's not overvalue him. He was garbage in the Philly series and in last year's Bruins series. When the games get physical he usually disappears.

Spezza is a legit 1C and a gamebreaker, if we're truly in win now mode he gets us closer.

The guy is part of our most successful line all season. We went through this with the Nash trade, where we traded away our depth for a high-paid player and look what happened. Depth is more important in this league than top-line talent.

We are on the right track. Let's see where we are 1 year from now, when we had a full season of Kreider and St. Louis. We might even win the division, the way this team is progressing. Don't throw it away just to add another 'star'

 

[Staxgod90]

This team needs center depth more than they need another winger. I mean, Vanek fits, I guess, but he's not a sniper. He's not gonna wow anyone.

I guarantee people would be running him out of town by next season.

I'm thinking the same. If we decide to spend money on a winger I'd rather go for Moulson tbh. Great PP player, can actually score goals, and helps our LW situation too. Will probably cost less than Vanek too

 

[DelZottoHitTheNetJK]

Why are people so desperate to trade away Brassard, who's clearly one of our top play-off performers?

Because we didnt' draft him.


Mention trading Stepan and the whole board collapses. On that note

I sign Stastny, buyout Richards, and trade Stepan in a package for Evander Kane


Also: DO NOT WANT VANEK

He's Derek Stepan with better hands. This team needs more athleticism. Vanek is a good goal scorer around the net but he's a disaster waiting to happen. He's already slow and he's already 30

 

[SKjEi o2]

I have a strong feeling Vanek Wong sign with anyone but Minnesota. moulson might be willing to sign here because his family is local.

Sign Grabo and Moulson. Amnesty Richards.