Speculation: Trade / Roster Speculation Thread XXXIV: Over the edge of being a little closer.

[pld459666]

Who's more likely to underperform here? 70-point Stanley cup winning Eric Staal at 6 million (salary retained by Carolina) for 2 years? Or Paul friggin Stastny at 7 million for 7 years.

Guys, Stastny is not the answer. Prior to this season he had two down years and now all of the young talent around him is inflating his point totals (assists).

If we're in win-now mode and truly want to go for it, I'd trade Hagelin and Miller for Staal or Brassard and Hagelin if needbe. Eric Stall is a legit 1C, and he's got a lot left in the tank.

I think that Staal is more likely to underperform here.

The "stars" of the league come here to retire.

A guy like Stastny is more likely to succeed here. As long as he's not looked at as a savior and the guy to carry the team.

Stastny's best season was playing with Chris Stewart and an about to retire Hejduk.

Better than Steapn.

Kills penalties, Plays PP, better vision, better ability to both score and assist and better on draws something that Stepan REALLY needs to work on.

And you are right. Stastny is not THE answer. Because the questions of the team are on wing and PPQB

Cap hit % to cap hit % and with out giving up assets to get it done, I take Stastny.

Staal is more of the same. Get the fading star to come here are vanish completely. That is what awaits us with E. Staal.

 

[I Eat Crow]

Eriksson>>> Callahan. I doubt that package would have gotten us Seguin. Eriksson was a premier two way player at the time. A consistent 60-70 point player.

Eriksson was coming off a down year. A little around 50 points in 2012-13 if I'm not mistaken. Eriksson may have the better value due to durability, but the gap between him and Callahan isn't as large as you indicate.

Yakupov would be more of the same problems. 0% chance a one dimensional sniper ever leads the Rangers to a Cup. Zero.

Not saying Yakupov was the solution, but he would instantly become our most skilled player besides St.Louis if he were to become a Ranger tomorrow. You can teach defense and backchecking and how to not be a liability in your own zone. You can't teach that skill though.

I think that Staal is more likely to underperform here.

The "stars" of the league come here to retire.

A guy like Stastny is more likely to succeed here. As long as he's not looked at as a savior and the guy to carry the team.

Stastny's best season was playing with Chris Stewart and an about to retire Hejduk.

Better than Steapn.

Kills penalties, Plays PP, better vision, better ability to both score and assist and better on draws something that Stepan REALLY needs to work on.

And you are right. Stastny is not THE answer. Because the questions of the team are on wing and PPQB

Cap hit % to cap hit % and with out giving up assets to get it done, I take Stastny.

Staal is more of the same. Get the fading star to come here are vanish completely. That is what awaits us with E. Staal.

This guy gets it.

 

[zuckera1]

I think that Staal is more likely to underperform here.

The "stars" of the league come here to retire.

A guy like Stastny is more likely to succeed here. As long as he's not looked at as a savior and the guy to carry the team.

Stastny's best season was playing with Chris Stewart and an about to retire Hejduk.

Better than Steapn.

Kills penalties, Plays PP, better vision, better ability to both score and assist and better on draws something that Stepan REALLY needs to work on.

And you are right. Stastny is not THE answer. Because the questions of the team are on wing and PPQB

Cap hit % to cap hit % and with out giving up assets to get it done, I take Stastny.

Staal is more of the same. Get the fading star to come here are vanish completely. That is what awaits us with E. Staal.

You're nuts if you believe Stastny for 8 years at 7 million will be more likely to not underperform than Staal for 2 years at salary retained.

Staal is a legit 1C, say what you want about him but he's been a consistent producer throughout his career, he needs a change of scenery. We have a 2 year window till Hank's prime ends right? We'll be better off with him than Paul "older and more expensive Stepan" Stastny

 

[zuckera1]

Also, I love how a star who's only 29 and coming off a down year is deemed to be "fading" here on Hfboards. I'd take him over a 28 year old coming off of a career year with stud wingers all around him.

 

[Vitto79]

Keep Brassard, Pouliot, Diaz, Boyle, D. Moore. Let Stralman walk, trade Hagelin, buyout Richards. Sign Stastny. Replace Hagelin with a big, physical right hand shot winger that can add some grit and battle along the boards.


Nash-Stastny-MSL
Pouliot-Brassard-Zucc
Kreider-Stepan- Miller/gritty winger
Boyle-Moore-Dorsett

McDonagh-Girardi
Staal-Klein
Moore-Diaz

Falk/Allen


That's a team with basically a 1A and 1B line, a 2nd line, and one of the best 4th lines in the league. A top 4 defense that is more than capable, and a PMD/PP specialist in Diaz. I don't see how that team, if healthy doesn't get to the cup final

Why do people mention dealing hagelin, he's the perfect 3rd line lw .

 

[Ola]

Stastny's decline had a lot to do with major shoulder problems. It wasn't a result of him mailing it in after he got a huge contract. That being said, he's not a $7M player, IMO.

This. Statsny is a good player, but nothing spectacular. Is Statsny a better player than Stepan?

For those who can't imagine how we can compete without E Staal or Statsny, take a minute to check this out.

From 2009-2011 Boston were a pretty avg. team in the East. Marc Savard was the big star, and they didn't have a great farm looking at how it was perceived from the outside at least. In 2010, they finished the season with 39 wins. Marc Savard is hurt. Their highest scoring player had 59 pts. Marco Sturm was the only player who scored more than 19 goals in 82 games, he managed to hit 22(!).

Nobody is thinking that Boston is a power house in the making.

But during those years, they got youth infusion from the following players that sticks out:
Krejci, 2nd round pick - 27 pts in 55 games
Lucic, 2nd round pick - 27 pts in 77 games
Boychuk - 55 games
Brad Marchand, 3rd round pick - 1 pts in 20 games

In hindsight, its easy to see that they had a very good foundation to build on with Chara and co. Bergeron has lead the way. They have just done the right things, had good assets to work with, and kept going in the right direction for a long time.

And the most important aspect of it all, they had a decent amount of assets -- but they managed to create something of those assets that can win a cup. And I mean, that's exactly what LAK did too, they had a little different outlook with a yong mega star in Doughty and Kopitar, but still.

We don't have to and we can't mirror Boston. But. We also have a decent amount of assets on the roster. We have a lot of young players that are "decent" right now, but that could take another step (Brass/Zucc/Pouliot/Staal/McD/Kreider/Hagelin/J Moore/Diaz/Miller/Fasth and so forth). We have a few veterans with a lot of ability in them. We have Hank.

But we still haven't really found niche for this team where all the different parts come together. I do however have a hard time seeing that transformation coming after signing a big name UFA. What I think we really lack is that dynamic puck moving ability when coming out of our own end and from the blue line and in.

 

[RangerBoy]

Which one of you guys called Francesa on Friday afternoon discussing the construction of the team? Earlier in the show,Francesa couldn't understand why the Rangers always fall short. He made the comment about the Rangers needing better players like the two guys on Pittsburgh. Those players are easily available. The caller hit on every point.

The Rangers have success keeping their picks. Drafting and developing players. The quick fix nonsense doesn't work. Messier is the only guy who really did anything in NY. The Rangers like the flash and dash. New toy syndrome. They like the sizzle more than actual steak. All sizzle. No steak. Free agency doesn't work.

PK Subban? The Rangers don't have their pick next June. He will cost $8M per and Montreal will keep him. The Rangers would need to get their pick back from TB to put out an offer sheet.

 

[Kakko]

Why do people mention dealing hagelin, he's the perfect 3rd line lw .

Because, he doesn't have upside. He is what he is, and won't be better.

The problem with that is, that Kreider - Pouliot - Hagelin is terrible (for a top team) LW depth.

Ideally, Pouliot's line is the 3rd, and there is somebody better offensively than Hagelin in that spot on the second line.

 

[Raspewtin]

Which one of you guys called Francesa on Friday afternoon discussing the construction of the team? Earlier in the show,Francesa couldn't understand why the Rangers always fall short. He made the comment about the Rangers needing better players like the two guys on Pittsburgh. Those players are easily available. The caller hit on every point.

The Rangers have success keeping their picks. Drafting and developing players. The quick fix nonsense doesn't work. Messier is the only guy who really did anything in NY. The Rangers like the flash and dash. New toy syndrome. They like the sizzle more than actual steak. All sizzle. No steak. Free agency doesn't work.

PK Subban? The Rangers don't have their pick next June. He will cost $8M per and Montreal will keep him. The Rangers would need to get their pick back from TB to put out an offer sheet.

There's nothing wrong with free agency.

There's something wrong with trying to build a team through free agency.

 

[Staxgod90]

If Kadri is available, would you guys make a package including the likes of possible Hagelin and Moore? Would definitely balance out the team down the middle. Only problem is we lose a LW in where we are already thin

 

[Ail]

Because, he doesn't have upside. He is what he is, and won't be better.

The problem with that is, that Kreider - Pouliot - Hagelin is terrible (for a top team) LW depth.

Ideally, Pouliot's line is the 3rd, and there is somebody better offensively than Hagelin in that spot on the second line.

I blame Nash for this because if your RW depth is MSL/Nash/Zucc and they're all playing like they should be, your LW depth can be a trash can, a pylon, and a stuffed animal and it won't be so bad.

Edit: Even with Nash sucking I still feel the LW depth issue is overblown. Kreider could still get better, Pouliot has played very well, and Hagelin is a good energy 3LW. It's not as big of an issue as people like to make it.

 

[Vitto79]

Because, he doesn't have upside. He is what he is, and won't be better.

The problem with that is, that Kreider - Pouliot - Hagelin is terrible (for a top team) LW depth.

Ideally, Pouliot's line is the 3rd, and there is somebody better offensively than Hagelin in that spot on the second line.

He's one of the fastest guys in the league

So we realize guys can play lw and rw on this team right?

 

[Raspewtin]

If Kadri is available, would you guys make a package including the likes of possible Hagelin and Moore? Would definitely balance out the team down the middle. Only problem is we lose a LW in where we are already thin

Leafs would probably want Staal for Kadri.

Which I'm not going to do. Kadri might be a nice add but Leafs need him, I don't see why he'd be available barring overpayment.

 

[bernmeister]

at least you concede defeat well.

wow you're on another planet

Lucy, you just so ridiculous!!!!!!!

 

[bernmeister]

No on Statsny cause = big contract.

Conditional yes on Nash 4yrs [do we need to make it reduced?] for EStaal (2 yrs)
depending on what +s are involved.

I can see if $ is a consideration, Canes might let us dump Nash there. But would want something for the privilege.

 

[MetalGodAOD*]

Also, I love how a star who's only 29 and coming off a down year is deemed to be "fading" here on Hfboards. I'd take him over a 28 year old coming off of a career year with stud wingers all around him.

Staal is the laziest player I've ever seen and Canes fans can't stand him because of it right now. Eric Staal would be the most stereotypical Rangers move ever, and not in a good way.

 

[zuckera1]

Staal is the laziest player I've ever seen and Canes fans can't stand him because of it right now. Eric Staal would be the most stereotypical Rangers move ever, and not in a good way.

Explain to me why/how he's lazy? He needs a change of scenery.

I don't care if the guy is lazy if he scores 53 points in 48 games like he did last year, and 61 points this year in a down season. We have enough defense and goaltending to make up for a lazy forward as long as he's producing

 

[Fitzy]

Artemi Panarin.

 

[NewLife]

Explain to me why/how he's lazy? He needs a change of scenery.

I don't care if the guy is lazy if he scores 53 points in 48 games like he did last year, and 61 points this year in a down season. We have enough defense and goaltending to make up for a lazy forward as long as he's producing

I think one lazy $8M player is enough however I totaly can see Sather target E Staal in the belive a trade would do good for him and he got some left in his tank.

But who would go to Canes? We are gettin to get thin on valueble assets as we need young, hungry and cheaper talent on the roster.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Explain to me why/how he's lazy? He needs a change of scenery.

I don't care if the guy is lazy if he scores 53 points in 48 games like he did last year, and 61 points this year in a down season. We have enough defense and goaltending to make up for a lazy forward as long as he's producing

Seriously? You don't care if a player is lazy? A player who is supposed to be our #1 center?

I wouldn't call Eric Staal lazy, but I would call him a sure bust.

 

[Oak]

The only changes this team needs to do is to

1. Trade Nash.
2. Buyout Richards.

Hopefully get something good in return for Nash, and use Richards money to pick up somebody else. I know people don't like Statsny but we will have cap space might as well use it. We need a real 1st line center though.

Only other player I would consider trading or packaging with Nash would be Hagelin. Don't touch our 3rd line. Everyone else stays.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

I'm at the point where I think bringing Dom Moore back is a no-brainer if not a must.

 

[Bluenote13]

I'm at the point where I think bringing Dom Moore back is a no-brainer if not a must.

Absolutely.

No one else seems to know how to win a faceoff.

 

[Raspewtin]

I'm at the point where I think bringing Dom Moore back is a no-brainer if not a must.

100% agreed.

Love him. Him and Boyle.

 

[zuckera1]

Seriously? You don't care if a player is lazy? A player who is supposed to be our #1 center?

I wouldn't call Eric Staal lazy, but I would call him a sure bust.

How can you call him a bust when he's been a consistent point producer his entire career? I have no problem with his work-ethic if he consistently produces.