Speculation: Trade / Roster Speculation Thread XXXIV: Over the edge of being a little closer.

[Thirty One]

At this point, neither am I. Not sure how I feel about that but a 3 million dollar penalty a few years down the line isn't the world's toughest thing to swallow.

I suppose it wouldn't. But the penalty has the potential to be $4.7 million per season for three years. All for the benefit of having Richards take up $6.67M in cap space through ages 34-36.

It's a no-brainer.

 

[NewLife]

Hell no to Boyle. Dan Boyle, that is. Brian Boyle better be re-signed.

Well I don't really know how he match up by now, don't catch much west coast hockey. But I would be hestaint before sign the guy. He will be 38 come to next season and I doubt he will take a one year deal or sign for anything less than 4.5.

 

[Raspewtin]

If Dan Boyle takes a one year deal I'd definitely look into him.

Anything else, no effing way.

 

[TheTakedown]

I wouldn't let either of them walk.

I'd more rather trade Dorsett for a 5th round pick. Resign Carcillo. Resign Diaz so he can play 2nd line minutes with Staal.

this. I'd rather Diaz take the spot instead of expecting Allen to play 2nd pairing minutes with Staal, or signing Dan Boyle.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

If Dan Boyle takes a one year deal I'd definitely look into him.

Anything else, no effing way.

I think the conversation would have to be one year deal for low money (2-3m), hoping he'd want to re-unite with his old buddy MSL and possibly Richards if he isn't bought out. If he wants money and term, fair enough, no harm in trying.

 

[RangerBoy]

Some more cap projections

An agent I spoke with today thinks salary cap for next season will be $68 million-$70 million, lower than projected $71.1 million.

https://twitter.com/THNKenCampbell/status/466324499156443137

Craig Custance wrote about PK Subban looking for $10M per

“You’re not going to scare the Canadiens with signing bonus money on July 1. That might work with the Nashville Predators, but not Montreal,†the NHL source said. “I don’t think you’ll have a lot of teams looking at offer sheets with him. Montreal can match and will match it. It doesn't make sense. That doesn't mean Newport won't try to get one.â€

He estimated the salary cap will be around $69.5 million next season, down from original estimates around $71 million. But even then, with Thomas Vanek, Brian Gionta, Andrei Markov and others all coming off the books, Montreal has plenty of wiggle room. And the smart move would be to put all those other contract negotiations on the back burner until Subban gets done. No reason to box yourself in or put the team at risk of losing him.

http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/craig-custance/post?id=2753

$69.5M cap. The Rangers leave $1M to run the team. Its really worth keeping Richards? No way. Even if the Rangers win the Cup,amnesty him on June 30.

 

[Ola]

Its really worth keeping Richards? No way. Even if the Rangers win the Cup,amnesty him on June 30.

Its a tougher question to answer the closer this team shows that it is. If we are close this year with him, we would be close next year and the year after that.

Richard is signed for like 6 more years, and if he retires his hit is recaptured. That is the biggest risk.

OTOH, all it takes is that one part of his body after playing in the NHL for X years isn't healthy, and he can go on LTIR and would never have to worry about him again besides in terms of not going over the summer cap with 10% and besides in terms of not being able to save up as much money during the year.

The playing field has changed. But you don't get "close" that often...

 

[RangerBoy]

Its a tougher question to answer the closer this team shows that it is. If we are close this year with him, we would be close next year and the year after that.

Richard is signed for like 6 more years, and if he retires his hit is recaptured. That is the biggest risk.

OTOH, all it takes is that one part of his body after playing in the NHL for X years isn't healthy, and he can go on LTIR and would never have to worry about him again besides in terms of not going over the summer cap with 10% and besides in terms of not being able to save up as much money during the year.

The playing field has changed. But you don't get "close" that often...

$53,187,500 in 12 players. $69.5 million cap. Leave $1 million to operate the team. $15 million to add 10 players. Anyway you slice it, this team won't be the same next season. The more success the team has makes it more difficult. Amnesty Richards is nice and clean. He won't be on the team until 2020. He will be an effective player down the road? Squeeze as much out of him for the next 2-4 weeks and send him on his way.

 

[bernmeister]

Sharks aren't resigning Dan Boyle. You think Sather will go after the old man and reunite the Tampa band? He's old enough he could be had at a reasonable price. I'd consider him if he's uninjured and as a short term replacement for Stralman.

No thanks; a 35+ contract, plus McIlrath is 3rd string stay at home D. if he is fully recovered from the knee issue, how much more hand holding do we need to give him before we let him wade into the pool. He's not being thrown into the deep end, let's allow roster space for him.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Its a tougher question to answer the closer this team shows that it is. If we are close this year with him, we would be close next year and the year after that.

Richard is signed for like 6 more years, and if he retires his hit is recaptured. That is the biggest risk.

OTOH, all it takes is that one part of his body after playing in the NHL for X years isn't healthy, and he can go on LTIR and would never have to worry about him again besides in terms of not going over the summer cap with 10% and besides in terms of not being able to save up as much money during the year.

The playing field has changed. But you don't get "close" that often...

Flexibility is more important than continuing to **** on the future because this current team is close.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

No thanks; a 35+ contract, plus McIlrath is 3rd string stay at home D. if he is fully recovered from the knee issue, how much more hand holding do we need to give him before we let him wade into the pool. He's not being thrown into the deep end, let's allow roster space for him.

Thats news to me.

 

[StepansLabyrinth]

Dan Boyle would absolutely fit with this style of hockey we play (it's primo-important we bring in passing D-Men as we go along with AV). Yes, he would be a stop-gap, but that's okay because we'd get him for relatively cheap and probably/hopefully on a one year deal. ONE YEAR DEALS ARE NEVER A BAD THING. He could replace Girardi's spot on the 2nd PP unit, and would provide us with strong organizational depth on the right side. I think McIlrath and Allen would be fine as 3rd pairing RHD but Boyle is more of a sure thing... and McIlrath and Allen would both be there in case of injury.

I would rather resign Stralman but I would not complain about bringing D Boyle in.

 

[Ola]

Flexibility is more important than continuing to **** on the future because this current team is close.

Yeah, I don't necessarily disagree.

But dumping BR de facto results in us being forced to replace him.

How is our ability, flexibility AND future impacted by us attempting to replace BR (you seldomly get it rightte first time)?

You know, nothing is ever easy in this league... We got Nash from trying to replace Gabby. Who do we get from trying to replace BR?

There is a -- risk -- with any option.

Unless of course we can replace BR on the PP from within. I am not sure I see that.

My point is just, let's say we prove that we are really close this year, we would be close in the coming years too. After that we might suffer. 2 years of being close + 3 years with less flexibility. Versus whatever risks we take on the option we are forced to take in to replace BR.

Like always in this league, it's easy on paper but harder in real life.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Dan Boyle would absolutely fit with this style of hockey we play (it's primo-important we bring in passing D-Men as we go along with AV). Yes, he would be a stop-gap, but that's okay because we'd get him for relatively cheap and probably/hopefully on a one year deal. ONE YEAR DEALS ARE NEVER A BAD THING. He could replace Girardi's spot on the 2nd PP unit, and would provide us with strong organizational depth on the right side. I think McIlrath and Allen would be fine as 3rd pairing RHD but Boyle is more of a sure thing... and McIlrath and Allen would both be there in case of injury.

I would rather resign Stralman but I would not complain about bringing D Boyle in.

I could see why you'd have this opinion, if you thought we were getting the old Dan Boyle.

Instead, we'd just be getting an old Dan Boyle. His game has slipped dramatically. Big pass on him.

 

[Ola]

Just to be clear, given the success of a few players on this team, I don't think we can afford to keep BR. I rather lock up especially Brass and Zucc long term to fairly good deals then to yet again be forced to squez everyone in to short term solutions...

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Yeah, I don't necessarily disagree.

But dumping BR de facto results in us being forced to replace him.

How is our ability, flexibility AND future impacted by us attempting to replace BR (you seldomly get it rightte first time)?

You know, nothing is ever easy in this league... We got Nash from trying to replace Gabby. Who do we get from trying to replace BR?

There is a -- risk -- with any option.

Unless of course we can replace BR on the PP from within. I am not sure I see that.

My point is just, let's say we prove that we are really close this year, we would be close in the coming years too. After that we might suffer. 2 years of being close + 3 years with less flexibility. Versus whatever risks we take on the option we are forced to take in to replace BR.

Like always in this league, it's easy on paper but harder in real life.

And the Rangers, throughout their history, prefer that sexy move that looks good on paper.

Im not concerned about replacing Brad Richards because, well, I think his play has slipped the past few years and I dont think hes this massive piece of the puzzle. I'd rather go into next season with Stepan and Brassard as the top 2 centers than have Richards around until hes 40 (or screw the team with the recapture penalty).

 

[Ola]

I could see why you'd have this opinion, if you thought we were getting the old Dan Boyle.

Instead, we'd just be getting an old Dan Boyle. His game has slipped dramatically. Big pass on him.

There is a reason for why SJs never wins, their blueline has never been good enough (in their top 4 not lone ago they had a forward, Doug Murray and Dan Boyle). Boyle is getting older too real fast.

I'd take him at like a year and 3m per, or whatever. But that is never happening, look at what Gonchar got...

 

[Ola]

Bleed- Agreed 5 on 5, but it's tougher to replace him on the PP...

And I mean, it's not good to enter a season with an extremely flawed PP on forehand...

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Bleed- Agreed 5 on 5, but it's tougher to replace him on the PP...

And I mean, it's not good to enter a season with an extremely flawed PP on forehand...

The PP is already extremely flawed with Brad Richards

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Came in here to see if anyone had posted this yet.

Saw SJ isn't bringing him back and we all know how much Sather loves him. If he signs cheap, he wouldn't be a bad stop gap for until McIlrath is ready.


For the armchair GMs, is there anyway to keep Richards and Nash and re-sign most of the current roster?

Would probably have to let Stralman, Carcillo, Diaz and Falk walk. Even then, is it enough?

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FORWARDS
Chris Kreider ($1.500m) / Derek Stepan ($3.075m) / Rick Nash ($7.800m)
Benoit Pouliot ($2.000m) / Derick Brassard ($4.000m) / Mats Zuccarello ($3.000m)
Carl Hagelin ($2.250m) / Brad Richards ($6.667m) / Martin St. Louis ($5.625m)
Brian Boyle ($2.000m) / Dominic Moore ($1.900m) / Derek Dorsett ($1.633m)
DEFENSEMEN
Dan Girardi ($5.500m) / Ryan McDonagh ($4.700m)
Marc Staal ($3.975m) / Kevin Klein ($2.900m)
John Moore ($1.300m) / Anton Stralman ($2.000m)
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Henrik Lundqvist ($8.500m)
Cameron Talbot ($0.563m)
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Wade Redden ($0.000m)
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This is without Diaz, Falk and Carcillo, but with Stralman. To be honest, this is a very cap-friendly example and I don't think all players will accept. Also, we won't have a lot of room to upgrade Staal's contract.

 

[offdacrossbar]

No thanks; a 35+ contract, plus McIlrath is 3rd string stay at home D. if he is fully recovered from the knee issue, how much more hand holding do we need to give him before we let him wade into the pool. He's not being thrown into the deep end, let's allow roster space for him.

whats mcilrath have to do with the boyle conversation ?

whether big mac is ready to play nhl hockey or not isnt the question. hes got competition for a spot on that 3rd pair. nothings gonna be "allowed".

moore. klein. allen. diaz. perhaps calle andersson. all in the mix.

is he better than moore or klein ? even connor allen ?

moore, diaz, allen and andersson all bring some offense to the blue line.

we need to change the dynamic of our defense. we lack a true shooter, pmd, pp point man and its no coincidence that our pp blows because of it.

mcilrath doesnt bring what we need.

 

[ecemleafs]

dan boyle is done. hes nothing more than a bottom pair dman and 2nd PP unit guy now.

 

[Mikos87]

dan boyle is done. hes nothing more than a bottom pair dman and 2nd PP unit guy now.

Except he just lead a team in ice time that finished with 111 PTS, and in defense scoring.

 

[Trxjw]

I still think it's likely that the Rangers will try and add Franson on the cheap.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

I still think it's likely that the Rangers will try and add Franson on the cheap.

I'd like that a lot more than signing a washed up Dan Boyle.