Speculation: Trade / Roster Speculation Thread XXXIII: Clever Title Pending

[jniklast]

Yeah, keeping Boyle would be great, but not if he gets Prust-Money. I'd have kreeping D. Moore higher on the list anyway.

 

[RangerBoy]

The "shiny new toy" and "flash and dash" syndromes extend to the fan base. Eric Staal?

There is no Ranger with more personally at stake in this tournament than Brad Richards. When the bell rings on Round 1 against the Flyers on Thursday at the Garden, the 2004 Stanley Cup champion and Conn Smythe Trophy winner could be entering his final days wearing the Blueshirt, though just one-third of the way through his nine-year contract.

For there is the possibility, if not the likelihood, of an amnesty buyout in June driven by the introduction into the collective bargaining agreement of the punitive cap-recapture measure that stands to damage the Rangers if Richards does not complete the contract. And this June represents the final opportunity for teams to trigger amnesty buyouts.

http://nypost.com/2014/04/15/richards-focused-on-title-for-rangers-not-his-future/

Get rid of him. Richards is not worth his current cap hit.

I hate the way this team is run. Grab every big name available. Look at all of the Cup banners.

 

[eco's bones]

The "shiny new toy" and "flash and dash" syndromes extend to the fan base. Eric Staal?



http://nypost.com/2014/04/15/richards-focused-on-title-for-rangers-not-his-future/

Get rid of him. Richards is not worth his current cap hit.

I hate the way this team is run. Grab every big name available. Look at all of the Cup banners.

He's not worth his salary now. What's he going to be like a year from now?--let alone 6 years from now. The punitive measures inserted into the most recently signed CBA makes his contract even worse. IMO there's not much of an option here and even without the penalty if the amnesty were still available I'd use it on him anyway. He's just not that good. A 3rd line center--a guy who has had trouble creating chemistry with practically everyone on the team during his three years here but in particularly the best wingers like Gaborik, Nash, St. Louis. By far our worst defensive forward and a player whose offensive stats are padded by more pwp time than anyone else. I don't see a good reason why the Rangers would want to go forward with him another 6 years--to wit those last 3 years of $1 mil compensation for Richards were designed to front load his contract with big $'s while at the same time knock his cap hit to the team down. Those were with his retirement in mind. Now they come with a real cost to the Rangers of over $ 5 mil cap hit per annum. Those years 17-18, 18-19, 19-20 we're going to start every single one of them with the handicap of his cap hit if he stays beyond this year whether he plays or not.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Richards needs to go after this season. Period.

Preferably without the "OMG how do we replace him!?" knee-jerk reaction from management that is all too predictable.

 

[frisland]

Just once in my life I'd to see a 'superstar' say that he only wants to play for the rangers and for this franchise to say 'no thanks'

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Richards sounds like a real ***** in the Post article.

A 10+ year NHL vet who came back from a lockout totally unprepared to play the game (both mentally and physically) needed a shoulder to cry on in early 2013? Poor guy

 

[E-Train]

Richards needs to go after this season. Period.

Preferably without the "OMG how do we replace him!?" knee-jerk reaction from management that is all too predictable.

Not just management but a large part of this board as well.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Not just management but a large part of this board as well.

Management, and yes the fans too, need to take a different approach to these types of situations.

Im sure we'll be hearing a lot of BS about this team's "window" when folks are pining over giving Paul Stastny $50M.

 

[Inferno]

The "shiny new toy" and "flash and dash" syndromes extend to the fan base. Eric Staal?



http://nypost.com/2014/04/15/richards-focused-on-title-for-rangers-not-his-future/

Get rid of him. Richards is not worth his current cap hit.

I hate the way this team is run. Grab every big name available. Look at all of the Cup banners.

correct me if i'm wrong...arent you one of the biggest proponents of signing richards? comparing him to trading for Messier?

 

[Thirty One]

correct me if i'm wrong...arent you one of the biggest proponents of signing richards? comparing him to trading for Messier?

Rangerboy, pls respond

 

[NYR Viper]

correct me if i'm wrong...arent you one of the biggest proponents of signing richards? comparing him to trading for Messier?

To be fair I wanted Drury when he was a UFA, about 2 years in I wanted him gone. People can change their minds

 

[Thirty One]

To be fair I wanted Drury when he was a UFA, about 2 years in I wanted him gone. People can change their minds

Yeah, but in that case they should probably cool it on mocking people for having the "shiny new toy syndrome".

 

[Bluenote13]

To be fair I wanted Drury when he was a UFA, about 2 years in I wanted him gone. People can change their minds

But by the time Richards was available as a FA how many bust FA's had we gone through who were also around the same age or older??

Same old same old by that point. I wasn't in favor of bringing in Richards, even after everyone tried to convince me he had years left in him.

 

[NYR Viper]

But by the time Richards was available as a FA how many bust FA's had we gone through who were also around the same age or older??

Same old same old by that point. I wasn't in favor of bringing in Richards, even after everyone tried to convince me he had years left in him.

I was in favor on a 5 year deal. He got 9.

 

[Tawnos]

But by the time Richards was available as a FA how many bust FA's had we gone through who were also around the same age or older??

Same old same old by that point. I wasn't in favor of bringing in Richards, even after everyone tried to convince me he had years left in him.

It was only 3 more than before Drury (talking about big name signings)

 

[Inferno]

Yeah, but in that case they should probably cool it on mocking people for having the "shiny new toy syndrome".

yeah thats my point.

i too wanted Richards (was TOTALLY against Blowmez and Drury)...had no problem with the Redden signing, LOVED the Gabby signing and the Nash trade...against the MSL trade.

Win some lose some. but im not going to start mocking other people for wanting the shiny new toy or for not learning from the past, etc.

I'm almost 100% positive that Rangerboy was all over the Richards signing and wanted him bad. Fair enough, he wasnt the only one...but I just feel that whole comment of his rings a little hollow if that's in fact the case.

 

[Inferno]

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showpost.php?p=35607981&postcount=38

that's basically the post I remembered...didnt really compare richards and messier, but did say he's the first #1 center we've had since Messier.

he also laid out a contract to sign him to here which was pretty accurate to what he got:

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showpost.php?p=33211331&postcount=773


Again, I dont have a problem with any of these posts, in fact I probably agreed with them at the time....but I'm not calling people out for shiny new toy syndrome, nor am I saying I hate how this organization is run when I in fact agreed with the move, and many other failure moves that they made.

I wish we were successful, I wish all the roster moves i wanted them to make, which they did make, worked out in hindsight. but it is what it is.

 

[Inferno]

with all that said, i don't want Eric Staal. Not unless, somehow, the cap goes up to like 80 million.

 

[RGY]

with all that said, i don't want Eric Staal. Not unless, somehow, the cap goes up to like 80 million.

What if Carolina ate $2 million of his AAV?

 

[Thirty One]

Yeah, if I proclaimed that qualifying Zuccarello was a mistake, I don't think I'd be so quick to lecture on lessons from the past.

 

[Inferno]

What if Carolina ate $2 million of his AAV?

nope. check the math..to get him to fit AND have a few reserve players you need to let some important depth players walk AND you have to give up assets to get him which would be cost controlled to help offset his expensive ass contract.

just not worth it.

Maybe if we didnt get MSL, but we did, so no more. Can't afford another big contract even when you buyout richards.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

What if Carolina ate $2 million of his AAV?

What assets do the Rangers have to acquire E. Staal?

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

What assets do the Rangers have to acquire E. Staal?

What, you don't think giving up our last remaining good prospects and NHL assets for Eric Staal is a good idea?

I definitely think Miller/Skjei/5 1sts would work and not hurt this team at all!

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

What, you don't think giving up our last remaining good prospects and NHL assets for Eric Staal is a good idea?

I definitely think Miller/Skjei/5 1sts would work and not hurt this team at all!

#Goingforit

#Window

#teambuilding

 

[Fitzy]

He won't be worth it to keep, but it's impossible to deny that having Richards made us better the last 3 seasons than not having Richards.

Whether that was worth the opportunity cost of 6.67 hit a season is a whole other matter.