Speculation: Trade / Roster Speculation Thread XXXIII: Clever Title Pending

[TheTakedown]

That's a cornerstone, franchise player. Why would any team trade that away or have an excess? They are so hard to get.

Well there was the flyers back from when they gave up bobrovski because he was taking too long to pan out for them...

There are more stupid GMs. Its just a matter of getting one at his most desperate time

 

[Zil]

Well there was the flyers back from when they gave up bobrovski because he was taking too long to pan out for them...

There are more stupid GMs. Its just a matter of getting one at his most desperate time

It's way easier to steal a goalie from somewhere than it is to steal a young elite forward. It took a bizarre bit of infighting for Seguin to get put on the block and that situation was highly anomalous.

 

[I Eat Crow]

I see a similar situation with Yakupov developing in Edmonton as Seguin's last summer. Off ice/personality issues/Russian factor may make him available for the right price. Edmonton wants a top D in return. We blew our load acquiring Nash and MSL. We don't have any assets that Edmonton would want that we'd be ok giving up. That is of course unless they'll take Kevin Klein as a "top D return" for Nail.

 

[Rangerfan4life90]

I see a similar situation with Yakupov developing in Edmonton as Seguin's last summer. Off ice/personality issues/Russian factor may make him available for the right price. Edmonton wants a top D in return. We blew our load acquiring Nash and MSL. We don't have any assets that Edmonton would want that we'd be ok giving up. That is of course unless they'll take Kevin Klein as a "top D return" for Nail.

Maybe they'd take McI?

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

I see a similar situation with Yakupov developing in Edmonton as Seguin's last summer. Off ice/personality issues/Russian factor may make him available for the right price. Edmonton wants a top D in return. We blew our load acquiring Nash and MSL. We don't have any assets that Edmonton would want that we'd be ok giving up. That is of course unless they'll take Kevin Klein as a "top D return" for Nail.

Another RWer? I don't know about that.

If we're going to go for a young forward of Yakupov's ilk, it should be a center or left wing. More so a center. We're more than fine on the right side.

Of course players like that usually aren't available, though...

 

[I Eat Crow]

Another RWer? I don't know about that.

If we're going to go for a young forward of Yakupov's ilk, it should be a center or left wing. More so a center. We're more than fine on the right side.

Of course players like that usually aren't available, though...

Thing is there are no centers or left wingers available that I can think of along those lines, unless Evander Kane doesn't buy in to what Paul Maurice wants to do. I would argue that a young center with star potential is more of a need, but again, when Seguin was available, our depth wa gutted and then recouped from the Nash and Gaborik trades. We were in no position to make another franchise altering trade.

I'm no Sather apologist (I think he should've been fired ten years ago), but this is why I'll defend the Nash and MSL trades to my grave. If you're in the position to acquire elite talent, you make the trade and ask questions later. Nash or MSL could move to the left full time to accommodate Yakupov. Even though I'd prefer a righty if we're making a trade for some more offense, you don't pass up a chance to acquire a guy that scored 35 pro-rated goals in his rookie season on a bad team.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Thing is there are no centers or left wingers available that I can think of along those lines, unless Evander Kane doesn't buy in to what Paul Maurice wants to do. I would argue that a young center with star potential is more of a need, but again, when Seguin was available, our depth wa gutted and then recouped from the Nash and Gaborik trades. We were in no position to make another franchise altering trade.

Not interested in acquiring Kane at all, personally. Too much baggage, and I think he's fairly overrated.

I'm no Sather apologist (I think he should've been fired ten years ago), but this is why I'll defend the Nash and MSL trades to my grave. If you're in the position to acquire elite talent, you make the trade and ask questions later. Nash or MSL could move to the left full time to accommodate Yakupov. Even though I'd prefer a righty if we're making a trade for some more offense, you don't pass up a chance to acquire a guy that scored 35 pro-rated goals in his rookie season on a bad team.

I don't think it'd be bad to at least inquire, I'll say that much. Really depends on the price. If they want something like Staal(+), I wouldn't do it.

Yakupov does theoretically help with the lack of finish. I think he has 40-50 goal potential.

For ***** and giggles;

Nash-Stepan-Yakupov
Kreider-Miller?-MSL
Poo-Brass-Zucc

Pretty sick top-9. Can't even fit Hagelin in there.

 

[I Eat Crow]

Not interested in acquiring Kane at all, personally. Too much baggage, and I think he's fairly overrated.



I don't think it'd be bad to at least inquire, I'll say that much. Really depends on the price. If they want something like Staal(+), I wouldn't do it.

Yakupov does theoretically help with the lack of finish. I think he has 40-50 goal potential.

For ***** and giggles;

Nash-Stepan-Yakupov
Kreider-Miller?-MSL
Poo-Brass-Zucc

Pretty sick top-9. Can't even fit Hagelin in there.

Re: Kane, I don't disagree. The talent is undeniable though. Rough and tumble guys that have the potential to be 30 goal scorers are hard to find.

Re: Yakupov, I'd be under the impression that Hagelin would go the other way, along with one of our defensemen. Adding a player like Klein/Stralman and Ekblad through the draft would improve their D leaps and bounds. Goalie is still a huge question mark for them.

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

Maybe they'd take McI?

He's not ready yet! Give it a few more years!

 

[Ola]

Not interested in acquiring Kane at all, personally. Too much baggage, and I think he's fairly overrated.

I agree for sure.

I have E Kane and Jordan Staal in the same cathegory... I mean, they are always going to cost a lot. 6m if they are avg and 8m if they are good. I wouldn't rule it out completely, but I do not think the odds are high of E Kane becoming a true top 30 forward in this league, but you are still going to have to pay him as one.

To get E Kane we have to pay a ton in a trade. Then we have to write him a blanc check. To get what exactly?

 

[Ail]

They need a young center with 1/2 potential who can win o-zone faceoffs and likes to shoot. After that a PMD. They have enough depth on the wings in general that I don't see dishing out assets for a LW is necessary. Kreider is a good enough 1LW.

Big no to the names being thrown around here.

 

[SupersonicMonkey*]

Nashville is not extending Trotz. They'll be looking to make a little bit of a culture change, in that, they will probably be looking to get more offensively adept.

They have two centers that I like very much: Colin Wilson and Austin Watson.

Colin is older and has a little biy of an injury history, but had a healthy season, and like the team, an underwhelming offensive season. However, the offensive upside is there. He has another year on his contract and then is a RFA i believe?

Austin Watson is going to be a very good NHL player. A guy who will do a little of everything.

Both would cost significantly less than Kesler, Staal(s), Skinner, Kane, Stastny, and a lot of the names mentioned.

Either one would add size, toughness, down the middle. Both are intelligent. Colin has always been lauded for his awareness on the ice.

If we could pry Colin Wilson (a Connecticut kid) that would be great.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

They need a young center with 1/2 potential who can win o-zone faceoffs and likes to shoot. After that a PMD. They have enough depth on the wings in general that I don't see dishing out assets for a LW is necessary. Kreider is a good enough 1LW.

Big no to the names being thrown around here.

So, after 14 years, all the team needs is the two toughest things to get.

Im encouraged.

 

[Ail]

So, after 14 years, all the team needs is the two toughest things to get.

Im encouraged.

Yeap, two things they just can't seem to find or draft. They do have an elite goaltender which other teams have problems finding. They also have a top-5 1st pair shutdown defensemen that a lot of teams would kill for. Not every team has every piece, but those two are what the Rangers need most.

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

So, after 14 years, all the team needs is the two toughest things to get.

Im encouraged.

Bruins don't have a true #1 C.

Bergeron hasn't put up over 65 points since 06-07.

Krejci's success is derived from his line mates. He can't score more than 25 goals a season. This year he had 19 and 50 assists. 50 assists...

Is it safe to say that Stepan could have had a good 10 more assists with MSL and Nash on his line, and healthy, for the entirety of the season? I'd assume so. That would put Stepan right there with both Bergeron and Krejci.

So we'd need a player that was similar to Stepan. Another player like Stepan is not impossible, or even improbable, of finding or trading for. I would assume that a trade of Hagelin and Brassard would net a similar player back in a trade... 2 guys that have immediate replacements on this team.

I'd also assume that they can trade for the PMD with the same package. Edler? Entering his prime. He was great for Vigneault several years ago. In terms of offense, that would give us two McDonagh's.

McDonagh was on pace for 45 points this year. With a season of transitioning away from the safe play, to Vigneault's defensive system that encourages risks in the name of offense, he could attain 50-55 points.

2 years ago, Edler had 49 points. Then the entire Vancouver dynamic fell apart and he was a product of his surroundings. Torts regressed him even further. He'll be cheaper than he would be on any given year, this offseason.

So we can get one of those 2 holes via a trade that would send two spare parts to the other team. The other hole can be filled via free agency.

Buying out Richards opens up cap space. Stastny could produce 60 points a year here in this system. Clearly, at his likely cap hit, he will be giving value that is not indicative of his contract. But it would immediately fill the hole, and for 5-6 years, at least.

But what you want is virtually impossible, given the team's success in recent years. You want stars that come from the draft and the better we do without winning the cup, the easier it is for you to complain about problems that you know are incredibly unlikely to be met, due to traded draft picks and later draft picks.

Whatever floats your boat though. We're about to begin a new season and you're here complaining about something that can't be solved for at least several months. Kudos. It takes determination to remain negative in a time of excitement.

 

[Fitzy]

The Oilers want a top blueliner, but I think NYR like having their solid dependable defense. Subtract Staal or Girardi from that equation and it's an average unit again.

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

The Oilers want a top blueliner, but I think NYR like having their solid dependable defense. Subtract Staal or Girardi from that equation and it's an average unit again.

G has a NTC. I can't imagine Staal wanting to extend in Edmonton. One of their players was asked where he would be playing next year, I forgot the name. He responded with "not here, i'll tell you that".

It's a toxic locker room. Dallas Eakins couldn't contain it. A bunch of talent that doesn't understand the concept of team play.

McDonagh projects to be our next captain.

Our top 3 isn't going anywhere. Staal expressed his desire to have his contract worked out over the summer. Carolina is about to blow it up, not make a Staal super group. In fact, it's more likely that Eric Staal joins the Rangers in 2 years than it is Marc joins Eric in Carolina.

Career Rangers, all 3 of them.

Add in the possibility of Skjei and McIlrath both becoming above average NHL defensemen. The defense's core is virtually set.

They need some more offensive depth, though. Buch and Duke are several years away from a legitimate shot, and who knows if either actually develops into an NHL player. We do need another 1/2c, and I don't know if the right guy is Miller. I view him as a 50-55 pt player in the NHL, at his peak. I could be wrong though.

 

[Fitzy]

I'd love to try to get Yakupov while his value is low but I can't see a good deal with the Oilers. They'd want someone established.

You could trade Klein for Yakupov and re-sign Stralman, but I'm not certain they'd go for that.

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

I'd love to try to get Yakupov while his value is low but I can't see a good deal with the Oilers. They'd want someone established.

You could trade Klein for Yakupov and re-sign Stralman, but I'm not certain they'd go for that.

I value Klein as a mid to late 2nd round pick. Has Yak's value dropped that low?

If they bite for a package of Klein and Kristo, why not. And I value Kristo... highly. Guy has some great vision and skating ability.

I just don't think he has a consistent spot on this team next year, and if he doesn't play like all 82 games, he's a free agent. Send him to a place where he can play.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Bruins don't have a true #1 C.

Bergeron hasn't put up over 65 points since 06-07.

Krejci's success is derived from his line mates. He can't score more than 25 goals a season. This year he had 19 and 50 assists. 50 assists...

Is it safe to say that Stepan could have had a good 10 more assists with MSL and Nash on his line, and healthy, for the entirety of the season? I'd assume so. That would put Stepan right there with both Bergeron and Krejci.

So we'd need a player that was similar to Stepan. Another player like Stepan is not impossible, or even improbable, of finding or trading for. I would assume that a trade of Hagelin and Brassard would net a similar player back in a trade... 2 guys that have immediate replacements on this team.

I'd also assume that they can trade for the PMD with the same package. Edler? Entering his prime. He was great for Vigneault several years ago. In terms of offense, that would give us two McDonagh's.

McDonagh was on pace for 45 points this year. With a season of transitioning away from the safe play, to Vigneault's defensive system that encourages risks in the name of offense, he could attain 50-55 points.

2 years ago, Edler had 49 points. Then the entire Vancouver dynamic fell apart and he was a product of his surroundings. Torts regressed him even further. He'll be cheaper than he would be on any given year, this offseason.

So we can get one of those 2 holes via a trade that would send two spare parts to the other team. The other hole can be filled via free agency.

Buying out Richards opens up cap space. Stastny could produce 60 points a year here in this system. Clearly, at his likely cap hit, he will be giving value that is not indicative of his contract. But it would immediately fill the hole, and for 5-6 years, at least.

But what you want is virtually impossible, given the team's success in recent years. You want stars that come from the draft and the better we do without winning the cup, the easier it is for you to complain about problems that you know are incredibly unlikely to be met, due to traded draft picks and later draft picks.

Whatever floats your boat though. We're about to begin a new season and you're here complaining about something that can't be solved for at least several months. Kudos. It takes determination to remain negative in a time of excitement.

Lots of assumptions, most of which inflate actuals.

I think both Bergeron and Krejci are better than Stepan, and certainly so in the playoffs.

While C is a concern, I think its less of a concern than the lack of a pure PMD on the backline and the abysmal LW depth. You say Krejci is a by product of his linemates - maybe so - but all that shows is that the Bruin forward depth is more impressive than the Rangers.

 

[Ian]

A trade of either Girardi/Staal would make a lot more sense hypothetically following the 14/15 season, where you could hopefully expect McI/Skjei to be ready to step into a role, or Allen/Moore to have progressed to the point of being worthy of a top 4 role.

I can't see them breaking up those top three guys for the time being though, and I don't see how the Rangers could get a legitimate top 6 forward without giving up one of them or with multiple futures.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

A trade of either Girardi/Staal would make a lot more sense hypothetically following the 14/15 season, where you could hopefully expect McI/Skjei to be ready to step into a role, or Allen/Moore to have progressed to the point of being worthy of a top 4 role.

I can't see them breaking up those top three guys for the time being though, and I don't see how the Rangers could get a legitimate top 6 forward without giving up one of them or with multiple futures.

Agreed. This team needs to stop robbing Peter to pay Paul.

The defense is a big strength right now - it becomes much less so if Staal or Girardi are gone.

 

[Fitzy]

The reason I'm less inclined to shop for another forward is because with MSL, Zuccarello, and Nash on board for the forseeable future, we have what should be enough offense.

This is as well balanced a lineup from top to bottom as we've ever had. Still, all the top forwards rumored to move this offseason are tough to ignore.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

The reason I'm less inclined to shop for another forward is because with MSL, Zuccarello, and Nash on board for the forseeable future, we have what should be enough offense.

This is as well balanced a lineup from top to bottom as we've ever had. Still, all the top forwards rumored to move this offseason are tough to ignore.

Those guys are all natural right wings.

The team has enough fire-power on offense, unfortunately the 3 major weapons all play the same position. Thats why I challenge the notion of the forwards being "well-balanced"

The names are there, but its still sort of a jig-saw puzzle.

 

[Fitzy]

Those guys are all natural right wings.

The team has enough fire-power on offense, unfortunately the 3 major weapons all play the same position. Thats why I challenge the notion of the forwards being "well-balanced"

The names are there, but its still sort of a jig-saw puzzle.

It's a good point, but Pittsburgh ran Crosby-Malkin-Staal on different lines for years. I think finding the right combinations is the key to success, it's not hard to get 3 star players ice time on 3 different lines.

As long as they keep Pouliot, Hagelin, and Kreider on the left, that is a lot of size and speed. Not a lot of offense but good complementary players.